(04-26-2013 12:51 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 10:25 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  Even if we assume that these new FCS transition fairly quickly and start having success, remember Western Kentucky and their 26 losing streak? I don't see any of these programs doing any better.

Western Kentucky was by far the worst transitioning program that ever existed, and you don't see the two most storied programs at the FCS level doing any better? Did you leave your brain in a palm tree somewhere?

As I mentioned, they might do slightly better due to the fact that they'll be playing against lesser competition. Practically half of the new SB is FCS so they'll simply beat on each other. In WK defense, they moved up by themselves with no other FCS program. In addition to that, the Sun Belt improved drastically during those years and played its best football ever the last two.

(04-26-2013 02:03 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 12:51 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 10:25 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  Even if we assume that these new FCS transition fairly quickly and start having success, remember Western Kentucky and their 26 losing streak? I don't see any of these programs doing any better.

Western Kentucky was by far the worst transitioning program that ever existed, and you don't see the two most storied programs at the FCS level doing any better? Did you leave your brain in a palm tree somewhere?

As I mentioned, they might do slightly better due to the fact that they'll be playing against lesser competition. Practically half of the new SB is FCS so they'll simply beat on each other. In WK defense, they moved up by themselves with no other FCS program. In addition to that, the Sun Belt improved drastically during those years and played its best football ever the last two.

So do you think they'll do better or worse than FAU/FIU?

(04-26-2013 02:01 PM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 12:59 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:33 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  CUSA will continue to lose in football and baseball to the SBC IMO.
They have too many weak links and not enough strong programs.

Strong.
USM
WKU
MTSU
La Tech
Marshall

Could go either way
FIU
Utep


Weak
FAU
UAB
Charlotte
Rice
ODU
UTSA
UNT

What does this make like three years in a row where we have beaten C-USA head-to-head? I think the future is going to be interesting to see which league comes out in better shape. Really could go either way although I think the edge goes to C-USA. Don't forget you also added Idaho and NMSU.

I also think Old Dominion is a wild card. I'm still amazed that Virginia Tech has been able to remain good this long and their time is coming due very soon. ODU could become the best football program in that state. The Virginia Beach area is perhaps the newest hotbed of football talent and if they can keep enough of those kids home they're going to be tough to deal with in the future. And they have a bigger budget than any of us.

ODU has been FCS. They have potential but failed against FCS playoff caliber teams. I did not have the chance to see ODU in the FCS finals. Did you see them there? Potential will only carry you so far. They could end up like another UAB.

They could but only if they completely mismanage their program.

UAB's situation with Alabama and Auburn (not to mention USA and Troy) is not even remotely comparable to being in a state with only UVA and VT? UAB also does not have the facilities. ODU does.

As ODU begins to reprogram their $30+ million budget to focus more on football expenditures so will their football program grow. Plus, that budget is going to start growing too. There's only so much most of us can do. Most of us have ceiling. ODU doesn't seem to be limited by anything. Just a matter of how well they manage their program.

(04-26-2013 02:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:03 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 12:51 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 10:25 AM)CivilEng Wrote:  Even if we assume that these new FCS transition fairly quickly and start having success, remember Western Kentucky and their 26 losing streak? I don't see any of these programs doing any better.

Western Kentucky was by far the worst transitioning program that ever existed, and you don't see the two most storied programs at the FCS level doing any better? Did you leave your brain in a palm tree somewhere?

As I mentioned, they might do slightly better due to the fact that they'll be playing against lesser competition. Practically half of the new SB is FCS so they'll simply beat on each other. In WK defense, they moved up by themselves with no other FCS program. In addition to that, the Sun Belt improved drastically during those years and played its best football ever the last two.

So do you think they'll do better or worse than FAU/FIU?

I think a couple of the new programs will do better than FIU/FAU in terms of transitioning while others will do worse. Meaning, it will take them less than 3-4 to be competitive and win championships. In the meanwhile, the conference will be weak for a few years with just a handfull of FBS caliber programs.

(04-26-2013 02:38 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-26-2013 02:01 PM)Cat79 Wrote:  They could end up like another UAB.

UAB's situation with Alabama and Auburn (not to mention USA and Troy) is not even remotely comparable to being in a state with only UVA and VT? UAB also does not have the facilities. ODU does.

I'm going to point out that UAB has reached the BCS top 25 before. Not a single Sun Belt school can claim that. UAB's situation is purely with 4 aging men in the board of trustees. Those men will be off the board within the next decade. We have no issues with anything regarding AU, So Bama or Troy State. If you can prove otherwise please elaborate. I'm curious now.

The only facility UAB lacks is an OCS. We have everything else to compete. The OCS will come when our athletic department looks healthier after Mcgee starts winning. Our average attendance has dropped 5k in the last 8 years with our on field performance. In retrospect it was kind of understandable to put off the OCS as much as I hate to admit that. It will happen for UAB sooner than you think.

Marshall is 2-0.