Carolina would go to the B1G before going to the SEC. Personally, I'd hate being in the SEC -- it would be a huge downgrade to the school's academic reputation.

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If the ACC loses two teams it will probaly hold at 13 teams. If it does expand:

1) First team in UConn.
2) West Virginia or Cincinnati.

Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If the ACC loses two teams it will probaly hold at 13 teams. If it does expand:

1) First team in UConn.
2) West Virginia or Cincinnati.

Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

There is no doubt that UConn is a valuable add for the ACC. My personal opinion is that Cinci, UConn, and Temple will all end up in the ACC in the not-to-distant future. But if we compare UConn vs Temple closely, I can see a strong case for why the ACC would take Temple over UConn.

1. Both schools are about equal in football.
2. UConn is better in basketball, but Temple is also consistently decent.
3. UConn has a lot of alumni in the NYC area, but the top 3 places Temple alumni live after college are New York, Philly, and DC.
4. Not sure if a strong UConn team pulls ratings any higher than a strong Temple team. Both teams have pulled good ratings when they were winning.

In many ways, they are even. In reality, no school will ever "bring" the NYC area. And I don't think the ACC can completely cave on the mid-Atlantic region. Certainly, the ACC can't let the Big10 take over that area. ESPN knows that ratings increase when a member school is within an 80-100 mile radius. That's because those schools market themselves on billboards and get press in those cities. Temple is less than 100 miles from NYC, Atlantic City, Baltimore, DC, NJ, Delaware, and half of PA. This means even Temple's local games are on TV in some of the most populated areas in the country. Not only are they on TV in those populated areas, but it's the 2nd or 3rd most expensive area for advertisements in the country (translation: $$$$$).

UConn and Temple are both good adds. I can see the case for both of them going to the ACC.

(04-17-2013 07:27 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  Carolina would go to the B1G before going to the SEC. Personally, I'd hate being in the SEC -- it would be a huge downgrade to the school's academic reputation.

I guess that academic fraud scandal wasn't enough?

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If the ACC loses two teams it will probaly hold at 13 teams. If it does expand:

1) First team in UConn.
2) West Virginia or Cincinnati.

Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

(04-17-2013 07:27 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  Carolina would go to the B1G before going to the SEC. Personally, I'd hate being in the SEC -- it would be a huge downgrade to the school's academic reputation.

Not to be offensive, but the way the football team racks up violations, they should feel at home. Otherwise, I can see how it would be a step down in reputation from being with Wake, Duke, State, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame.

How do I get more money and an Obama phone?

(04-17-2013 09:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  How do I get more money and an Obama phone?

Be broke and don't do **** to help yourself. That's a good start.

(04-17-2013 09:48 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:27 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  Carolina would go to the B1G before going to the SEC. Personally, I'd hate being in the SEC -- it would be a huge downgrade to the school's academic reputation.

Not to be offensive, but the way the football team racks up violations, they should feel at home. Otherwise, I can see how it would be a step down in reputation from being with Wake, Duke, State, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame.

The ACC is stacked with academically good schools. Most every school is ranked Tier 1 by USNews. Duke's undergrad is usually around #6 (the same as Stanford, Penn, and Columbia). UNC and UVA are usually the only public schools in the Top 25 outside of the likes of Cal, UCLA, and Michigan. Overall, the ACC is the best conference academically outside of the Ivy League.

The B1G is way better than the SEC in terms of academics. UNC seems to fit academically more with Michigan, Ohio State, Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, and Rutgers than it does with Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, etc.

(04-17-2013 09:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If the ACC loses two teams it will probaly hold at 13 teams. If it does expand:

1) First team in UConn.
2) West Virginia or Cincinnati.

Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

I love this conference. I like every one of the schools in this conference. There isn't one school here that makes me say, "I can't believe that we're in a conference with that school". And I still can't believe how lucky I am to have both of my schools in the same conference (a public school from the Northeast and a private school from the Southwest).

But if someone posts an opinion on this board that says Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn, I'm going to respond because I don't agree with that. UConn has the total package: academics, an extremely competent athletic department, and a great fanbase.

If I didn't love this conference, I wouldn't spend so much time on this board.

(04-17-2013 10:27 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 12:39 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If the ACC loses two teams it will probaly hold at 13 teams. If it does expand:

1) First team in UConn.
2) West Virginia or Cincinnati.

Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

I love this conference. I like every one of the schools in this conference. There isn't one school here that makes me say, "I can't believe that we're in a conference with that school". And I still can't believe how lucky I am to have both of my schools in the same conference (a public school from the Northeast and a private school from the Southwest).

But if someone posts an opinion on this board that says Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn, I'm going to respond because I don't agree with that. UConn has the total package: academics, an extremely competent athletic department, and a great fanbase.

I never said Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn. I said the ACC and the B1G are in a turf war and that Cinci and Temple appear to meet the ACC's immediate needs. There's a strong case to be made for UConn, obviously.

(04-17-2013 10:36 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 10:27 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:25 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  Insiders at ESPN are saying first in is Cincinnati and that Temple is after them. The main reason is because the ACC and Big10 are in a turf war. Cincinatti is a step into Big10 area. Temple is a defensive move to keep the Big10 from dominating the ratings rich mid-Atlantic region witch Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. The Atlantic Coast Conference can't claim to be the top truly east coast conference by giving up the 3 largest metros on the east coast (NYC, Philly, and DC). At least, Temple keeps the ACC represented in the mid-Atlantic.

UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

I love this conference. I like every one of the schools in this conference. There isn't one school here that makes me say, "I can't believe that we're in a conference with that school". And I still can't believe how lucky I am to have both of my schools in the same conference (a public school from the Northeast and a private school from the Southwest).

But if someone posts an opinion on this board that says Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn, I'm going to respond because I don't agree with that. UConn has the total package: academics, an extremely competent athletic department, and a great fanbase.

I never said Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn. I said the ACC and the B1G are in a turf war and that Cinci and Temple appear to meet the ACC's immediate needs. There's a strong case to be made for UConn, obviously.

The ACC and B1G are not in a turf war. The thought of this is absolutely laughable. The thought that taking Temple and Cinci would be a thorn in the B1G's side is even more so. The B1G takes flagship state universities that do not play second fiddle to any one in their state, which allows them to obtain higher subscriber rates for the B1G Network. If the ACC reacts to this "turf war" by taking Temple and Cinci who are 3rd and 2nd respectively in their state it does nothing to alter the B1G's strategy and ability to add state flag ship schools, or their market hold in these areas.

Right, UNC will be able to go to any conference if and when they want to do it. The up side there is huge and they could always continue the series with their rival Duke. And quite honestly, if the Maryland lawsuit doesn't go the ACC's way we could see programs jumping off the ACC ship at a rapid pace soon after anyway. Which restarts the realignment pecking order again.

(04-17-2013 07:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:35 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  North Carolina to the SEC is very logical from many angles.

That's because you don't live in North Carolina. NC State to the SEC is logical, but UNC would view that as "lowering" themselves and they would never do it. They are either staying in the ACC forever or if they ever do leave it will be for the B1G.

I agree I can't see them leaving for SEC...their alumni already can't hardly stomach the entrance of U of L into the ACC because UNC is so academically superior; I think there would be a riot on the "HILL" if they went to the SEC. I would enjoy the banter with some of their alum if they did go to the SEC.

(04-18-2013 06:10 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 10:36 PM)CarolinaBlue2001 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 10:27 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 09:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 07:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn brings more TV's in Connecticut than Temple brings in Philly or Cincinnati brings in Cincinnati. Temple shares Philly with Penn State, and Cincinnati shares Cincinnati with Ohio State. UConn doesn't share Connecticut with anyone.

And UConn + Syracuse > Rutgers in New York. UConn allows the ACC to "take back" NYC.

I love this conference. I like every one of the schools in this conference. There isn't one school here that makes me say, "I can't believe that we're in a conference with that school". And I still can't believe how lucky I am to have both of my schools in the same conference (a public school from the Northeast and a private school from the Southwest).

But if someone posts an opinion on this board that says Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn, I'm going to respond because I don't agree with that. UConn has the total package: academics, an extremely competent athletic department, and a great fanbase.

I never said Cincinnati and Temple are more "valuable" than UConn. I said the ACC and the B1G are in a turf war and that Cinci and Temple appear to meet the ACC's immediate needs. There's a strong case to be made for UConn, obviously.

The ACC and B1G are not in a turf war. The thought of this is absolutely laughable. The thought that taking Temple and Cinci would be a thorn in the B1G's side is even more so. The B1G takes flagship state universities that do not play second fiddle to any one in their state, which allows them to obtain higher subscriber rates for the B1G Network. If the ACC reacts to this "turf war" by taking Temple and Cinci who are 3rd and 2nd respectively in their state it does nothing to alter the B1G's strategy and ability to add state flag ship schools, or their market hold in these areas.

I posted that information on here before. The "turf war" was a comment that was said by people that work at ESPN with my girlfriend here in Manhattan. These are people who work closely enough with the conferences that I trust what they are saying.

You make some valid points, especially about the flagship universities. The issue is that you are ignoring that this is also about strengthening the league as much as possible while getting the most money from TV ratings and the ACC product in as many households as possible. Cinci is a no brainer as they are good in football and basketball and it does put the ACC on TV in a traditional Big10 area. If you don't think that matters, lets put Big10 and ACC basketball on the same night with Cinci in the ACC and see how ratings turn out in southern Ohio.

Temple's a wildcard. The case can easily be made that UConn is better. But from a TV standpoint, you cannot ignore Temple's metro and the location of that metro between NYC and DC. This is also one of the most popular basketball regions outside of NC. Their regional games are also televised from Trenton to Atlantic City and to Philadelphia up to Harrisburg. And honestly, looking at the Temple basketball TV ratings this year, they aren't that different from UConn and this is still with Temple in the A10: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2013/01/...es-so-far/