(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  And it's a sad state of affairs. That's why I wrote what I did in several posts in the "bartow has a meeting with Sander Friday" thread.

I was hoping Sander would listen to what all Wagers had to say, and that Wagers wouldn't be afraid to say it to him. Indications now are that, whether or not that was the case, Sander is either: a) buying what murry is selling, in terms of where the fault lies; or b) more likely, knows what the true story is and is just having to let it play out like this 'cause they can't afford to buy out bartow. Really, really sad that someone else is going to take the fall, and that this new loss we're going to have is someone we really didn't want, or need, to lose. Just not the way this should go down.

I simply can't believe in that interview with Mahler that bartow *again* trots out the (now "almost") 20-win season average. Must really kill him to have to include that "almost".

Yes, there are other reasons for someone leaving, but in this case, as I understand it, the chicken came before the egg, if you catch my drift - and I think you do.....

Me and you are on the same page there poster....but I am referring to another assistant.

(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  I simply can't believe in that interview with Mahler that bartow *again* trots out the (now "almost") 20-win season average. Must really kill him to have to include that "almost".

Ugh...Stating his flimsy case as always. I find it impossible to listen to his rhetoric anymore. Just impossible.

I was/am being purposely vague about who is to leave, but Wagers was the key person on that staff that Sander needed to hear the whole story from. Yes, he needed to hear from Wagers even before he needed to hear bartow's side of the story, because bartow's side of the story is heavily tainted with a toxic brew of ego, slanted factoid-speak and coach-speak, false optimism, bitterness, and yet more ego. I don't want to be the one that names names beyond that.

(04-17-2013 11:46 AM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 11:34 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  I simply can't believe in that interview with Mahler that bartow *again* trots out the (now "almost") 20-win season average. Must really kill him to have to include that "almost".

Ugh...Stating his flimsy case as always. I find it impossible to listen to his rhetoric anymore. Just impossible.

If he is going to brag about "almost" having a 20-win season average then he also needs to talk about how the 22 losses this season are the most in school history.

Anyone notice the socon logo behind Sander 1:09

Significantly less excited about it as I wouldve been a few weeks ago.

Excerpt from 4/17/13 JC Press article:
Bartow’s team will see more than changes on the roster. There will be at least one move on the coaching staff.

“I’ve got nothing to announce right now,” he said, “but I will say you won’t see the exact same staff here next season. I’ve been lucky to have the assistant coaches I’ve had. Three of us have been here together all 10 years.

“I’ve got a good staff, but at the same time, we’re looking at every phase of the program and there may be one or two changes.”

Scott Wagers and Mike Boyd have been with Bartow since the beginning of his tenure at ETSU. Thomas Johnson came in before the 2010-11 season.

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Bartow has had about six weeks to digest last season, which ended with a quarterfinal exit from the Atlantic Sun Conference tournament and a school record for losses. It’s still hard to stomach.

“I try to reflect every day, what went right and what went wrong,” he said. “This year was the perfect storm of what could go wrong. We were in a real tough predicament early. When we got to January and February we were in almost every game. We competed hard, fought hard, but just weren’t good enough.”

Bartow still stands on his record at ETSU, which is 189-135 and includes three NCAA tournament appearances and an NIT.

“Going into this year, we had won 41 games in the prior two seasons,” he said. “Most mid-major coaches would take that. And prior to that, we went to the NCAA tournament for two years in a row. I think we’re going to see more good things ahead for the program.”

http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2QlrPRhYi

My biggest issue is "Most mid-major coaches would take that" in reference to the 41 games won in 2 seasons. Maybe "most" coaches would but why don't we demand more? Why isn't he as a coach demanding excellence?

Maybe because Murry only cares about padding his resume.

(04-17-2013 11:47 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  I was/am being purposely vague about who is to leave, but Wagers was the key person on that staff that Sander needed to hear the whole story from. Yes, he needed to hear from Wagers even before he needed to hear bartow's side of the story, because bartow's side of the story is heavily tainted with a toxic brew of ego, slanted factoid-speak and coach-speak, false optimism, bitterness, and yet more ego. I don't want to be the one that names names beyond that.

Did Wagers get to talk to him before Bartow?

(04-18-2013 12:05 PM)bucs77 Wrote:  

(04-17-2013 11:47 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  I was/am being purposely vague about who is to leave, but Wagers was the key person on that staff that Sander needed to hear the whole story from. Yes, he needed to hear from Wagers even before he needed to hear bartow's side of the story, because bartow's side of the story is heavily tainted with a toxic brew of ego, slanted factoid-speak and coach-speak, false optimism, bitterness, and yet more ego. I don't want to be the one that names names beyond that.

Did Wagers get to talk to him before Bartow?

I have no idea, but sort of doubt it. I was just hoping that would somehow be the case. The order of those conversations (and that even assumes Wagers had such a sit-down with Sander) might well have determined how all this played out, and bartow apparently being able to keep his job.