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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
richmond would be better off in the patriot
04-11-2013 08:48 PM
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
(04-11-2013 06:48 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 03:57 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 03:03 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 11:18 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  How about you guys come over and we will let Idaho down gently?

USM, stAte, ULL and Troy is better than what would be left in CUSA.

In your mother effing dreams. USM is better than the other 3 programs combined. If Southern wanted in conference with you 3 then we might have invited your 3 schools already. The SBC is back to a FCS startup league with 3 teams that have no potential so why would any current FBS team want in the SBC? 7 of your conference mates decided they would rather be in CUSA than with you... Do you feel rejected yet?
Lighten up, jerk. Yeah, I was really blown away by all those wins you guys accumulated last year. Made us and ULL very jealous. Also, learn to count. 5 teams are gone from the SBC and apparently more than that have decided they didn't want to be in a conference with you.

(Disclaimer: I actually respect USM a lot and we've had sme great games but this guy is a butt)

UAB fan, not a USMer. Still, while a bit coarse the truth is that any SBC team invited has joined. There are a couple remaining that are in the position that many at USM and even more USM fans, though certainly not all, believe they are in --- left behind to fend for themselves in a lesser quality conference than they were in just last season. It is what it is - and some of us don't think of it as much if any of a drop in quality.

There are two SBC teams I'd rather have in C-USA over teams that have been invited....AR-State and ULALA (won't say who I'd prefer to see NOT show up but it's likely not the same as most would think). In fact, the money difference is really so little that I'd prefer to go to 16 with those two than stay at 14. The math is closer than you think if you do ALL of it, which to this point nobody has done - or at least done and posted.
I agree with everything you said.
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
Richmond, with a $2 Billion general endowment and a $150 Million athletic endowment could easily build a new 40K seat stadium and go FBS. But, unless the ACC came coming with an invite, there is no way it is happening. Richmond has less tha 3,000 students, undergrad, and the school works to keep a balance between their athlete numbers versus general students (the main reason Soccer was cut when Lacrosse was added). I would agree that the Patriot League is much more likely tha the Sunbelt. As to City Stadium, UR worked hard to get away from there after 75 years and move on campus.
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(04-11-2013 10:24 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Richmond, with a $2 Billion general endowment and a $150 Million athletic endowment could easily build a new 40K seat stadium and go FBS. But, unless the ACC came coming with an invite, there is no way it is happening. Richmond has less tha 3,000 students, undergrad, and the school works to keep a balance between their athlete numbers versus general students (the main reason Soccer was cut when Lacrosse was added). I would agree that the Patriot League is much more likely tha the Sunbelt. As to City Stadium, UR worked hard to get away from there after 75 years and move on campus.

We get it. Financially, Richmond can afford to make a move to FBS and that soccer was cut to make room for lacrosse. So the question I'm asking is - would such a potential move mean that baseball is cut too? Baseball apparently earned a two year reprieve recently but if Richmond makes a move up those extra 22 scholarships for football will have to be made up somewhere...
04-12-2013 02:32 AM
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(04-11-2013 08:48 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  richmond would be better off in the patriot

Yes they fit the Patriot perfectly not to mention the Patriot is a northeastern based league and and Im pretty sure more Richmond students and alums come from the northeast than from the south.
04-12-2013 05:12 AM
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
(04-11-2013 09:33 AM)mufanatehc Wrote:  I find it hard to believe Richmond would seriously pursue moving up, especially if it meant associating with (in their mind) inferior schools. Their endowment alone is larger of the rest of the SBC schools combined. They'd be the only private in the entire league. They'd also have to completely rebuild their fairly new stadium and significantly downgrade their basketball (if they couldn't get a FB only option).

Richmond isn't going to move to the SBC. Richmond just announced $17 million in renovations to the Robins Center yesterday. It looks damn good. Their priority is basketball. The A10 now has VCU, GMU, and GWU. Three schools that are in easy driving distance of Richmond. They're in a good spot going forward.

No chance they'd leave that to play in a really really terrible basketball conference with their closest opponent being in Boone.
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In the end Richmond would like to move to the Big East for all their sports but Football. Otherwise they are pretty happy in the A10 for their Olympic Sports, and the current CAA for Football. If the CAA starts to fall apart, I imagine they will work with Villanova and William and Mary to put their Football teams in an appropriate conference, either the Southern or the Patriot, likely. But that will always be on the side, with their central conference association being dictated by Men's Basketball. As to the unlikely ACC invitation, I imagine UR would just add a Women's sport to equal the extra 22 scholarships that FBS entails. To be in the same conference with Duke, Wake, UVA, etc., UR would quickly let the athletic participation ratios rise..


Oh, here is the rendering of the renovated Robins Center, which they started work on last month. Should be ready by the start of Basketball season, this fall.

[Image: 8638378164_65993c067e_b.jpg]
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
(04-12-2013 11:09 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  In the end Richmond would like to move to the Big East for all their sports but Football. Otherwise they are pretty happy in the A10 for their Olympic Sports, and the current CAA for Football. If the CAA starts to fall apart, I imagine they will work with Villanova and William and Mary to put their Football teams in an appropriate conference, either the Southern or the Patriot, likely. But that will always be on the side, with their central conference association being dictated by Men's Basketball. As to the unlikely ACC invitation, I imagine UR would just add a Women's sport to equal the extra 22 scholarships that FBS entails. To be in the same conference with Duke, Wake, UVA, etc., UR would quickly let the athletic participation ratios rise..


Oh, here is the rendering of the renovated Robins Center, which they started work on last month. Should be ready by the start of Basketball season, this fall.

[Image: 8638378164_65993c067e_b.jpg]
Really is a great looking facility. Hope you guys eventually find yourselves in the BE.
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(04-12-2013 11:09 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  In the end Richmond would like to move to the Big East for all their sports but Football.
Its rumored that Fox wants them to go to 12, but the New Big East weren't prepared to declare teams #11 and #12 when it was time to announce the original ten, so they may not have made up their mind yet. And since they seem to be determined to be a conference of private schools, to keep governors and state legislatures out of their hair as much as practical, it seems likely that Richmond is on their short list.
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
(04-12-2013 11:09 AM)bostonspider Wrote:  In the end Richmond would like to move to the Big East for all their sports but Football. Otherwise they are pretty happy in the A10 for their Olympic Sports, and the current CAA for Football. If the CAA starts to fall apart, I imagine they will work with Villanova and William and Mary to put their Football teams in an appropriate conference, either the Southern or the Patriot, likely. But that will always be on the side, with their central conference association being dictated by Men's Basketball. As to the unlikely ACC invitation, I imagine UR would just add a Women's sport to equal the extra 22 scholarships that FBS entails. To be in the same conference with Duke, Wake, UVA, etc., UR would quickly let the athletic participation ratios rise..


Oh, here is the rendering of the renovated Robins Center, which they started work on last month. Should be ready by the start of Basketball season, this fall.

[Image: 8638378164_65993c067e_b.jpg]

Very impressive. This would be a nice arena for Richmond.

It would certainly be the better basketball venues in the state.
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RE: Sun Belt getting really desperate?
with apologies to the STaTE and ULL fans,

I was getting pissed off at the amount of team pimping you guys were doing on the CUSA board. That was the reason for the negative comments. So stay off of our board with your team pimping and I won't go off on your schools.

The sooner you guys also learn that no CUSA school will ever want to join the SBC the better also. It makes no sense for us to do that. Many of us were in the Belt at one time, but it is a shadow of its former self and no longer the basketball league it was in the 80's. The money and name prestige is no longer there and it would be better to be under CUSA's name than the SBC right now.

also 5= WKU, MTSU, UNT, FAU,FIU, +2 UAB, Charlotte... I had forgotten ODU and la tech were in the belt at one time also... but that was how I got to 7. technically 9/14 of the CUSA schools were once part of the SBC.
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Sun Belt getting really desperate?
If you think anything I've posted is pimping you haven't recovered from your TBI and when I drop in I see very little pimping. I suggest you go to Arkst.com and see how low the excitement is about the prospect.

I'm going to go post on the Liberty board CUSA is seriously considering adding them. Then you can see real pimping.
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It's nice to see Illinois State's name getting thrown around for FBS talks. The only thing is, is that I don't see the school pushing for it for at least another few years. The lowest FBS football budget is just under $3.6 million a year and then there is a big jump and it is around $5 million a year. ISU is a little bit aways from spending that kind of money and the lowest overall athletic budget I've seen for an FBS school is around the low 20s, probably $23 million a year. I think that the stadium renovation will draw fans in and doing as well as they did last year will help attendance immensely. One other problem I have heard is that while ISU's current president, Al Bowman, is all for the jump to FBS, he is retiring as soon as a new president is found and his replacement may not care as much to move up. Time will tell.
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So we are waiting on 1 more FCS team to move to the Sun Belt correct?
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(04-14-2013 02:06 AM)Dracorex Wrote:  with apologies to the STaTE and ULL fans,

I was getting pissed off at the amount of team pimping you guys were doing on the CUSA board. That was the reason for the negative comments. So stay off of our board with your team pimping and I won't go off on your schools.

The sooner you guys also learn that no CUSA school will ever want to join the SBC the better also. It makes no sense for us to do that. Many of us were in the Belt at one time, but it is a shadow of its former self and no longer the basketball league it was in the 80's. The money and name prestige is no longer there and it would be better to be under CUSA's name than the SBC right now.

also 5= WKU, MTSU, UNT, FAU,FIU, +2 UAB, Charlotte... I had forgotten ODU and la tech were in the belt at one time also... but that was how I got to 7. technically 9/14 of the CUSA schools were once part of the SBC.

You have let 1 or 2 ASU fans give you the impression of the entire fan base. There are a bunch of ASU fans who are luke warm about moving to another league altogether. I personally don't see the reasoning in moving just to play the same teams we played the last 10 years again. WE have a couple fans who are convinced that the SBC is destroyed and will never be the same again, and they are doing everything in their power to get out.
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