(04-11-2013 01:53 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:50 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:49 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Another thing to remember is that, like it or not, the new SBC lineup probably isn't as attractive to the casual fan of someone like ASU or ULL. They're more likely to have better ticket sales, more donations, etc being in conference with some old SBC brethren + some of the left over CUSA schools than the new SBC line up.

If UL is selling a conference season ticket package with:

a. Georgia Southern, Troy, Georgia State, Idaho, TxState

vs a ticket package with:

b. USM, La Tech, Rice, UTEP, MT

What's the Cajun fan more likely to buy? What's more likely to spur donations? (Same with ASU).

IMHO, just a matter of time before Banowsky makes that phone call.

At least one of those games is a guaranteed sell out/standing room only game.

Of course - Georgia Southern. Just ask them.

But you can't stop that triple option. No one in the gang of five can. GATA lol

(04-11-2013 01:19 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 12:24 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  I guess one thing that needs to be considered is what is each CUSA member's net under their TV deal. If they go to 16 and receive $750,000 up front from the playoff, $600,000 net from their TV deal, and another $300,000 from the remaining playoff proceeds, they will still be doing better at 16 members than a 12 member SBC. Under those numbers, they will be pulling in $1.65M per member, whereas the SBC would be realizing ($1M+$40K (TV money)+ ~$300k(remaining playoff money)) $1.34M. On top of all of that, CUSA may realize a savings in travel expenses, which would help their bottom line even more.

This,
However you are risking a lot for 300K+/-. You would have to assume that the CUSA TV deal is always going to be significantly higher than the Sun Belt's. The Sun Belt's does not have to go up near as much with 4 less teams either to close that gap. In the end we are not talking game changing money and I would rather risk splitting any pie, especially one that can change in size year to year by hundreds of thousands, 12 ways rather than 16.

I guess it depends upon how you look at it. That $300k could realistically be $500k if the league's arrangement is such that travel cost are tremendously reduced.

(04-11-2013 01:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  ...... many a person who spends all day Saturday watching college football knows his wife will bean him if he flips to ESPN instead of what she wants to watch.

What?!

This is considered acceptable husband behavior?

I must be reading that wrong.

If C-USA goes to 16, I think it will only be a matter of time before the conference splits up. The teams that have been with C-USA for years, such as USM, UAB, and UTEP are going to want to be with the teams that they have history with. Plus I don't know how much this matters to the schools, but the chances of winning a conference championship in a 16-team league get even harder. Who wants that?

At some point I see a new conference forming, possibly between C-USA and the AAC.

Just my opinion...

(04-11-2013 02:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  If C-USA goes to 16, I think it will only be a matter of time before the conference splits up. The teams that have been with C-USA for years, such as USM, UAB, and UTEP are going to want to be with the teams that they have history with. Plus I don't know how much this matters to the schools, but the chances of winning a conference championship in a 16-team league get even harder. Who wants that?

At some point I see a new conference forming, possibly between C-USA and the AAC.

Just my opinion...

UAB has shared a conference for 22 years with UNCC 9 with WKU and ODU and 8 with UTEP. If CUSA splits UAB is going east and will try to bring Mississippi Southern with them.

(04-11-2013 03:25 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 02:49 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  If C-USA goes to 16, I think it will only be a matter of time before the conference splits up. The teams that have been with C-USA for years, such as USM, UAB, and UTEP are going to want to be with the teams that they have history with. Plus I don't know how much this matters to the schools, but the chances of winning a conference championship in a 16-team league get even harder. Who wants that?

At some point I see a new conference forming, possibly between C-USA and the AAC.

Just my opinion...

UAB has shared a conference for 22 years with UNCC 9 with WKU and ODU and 8 with UTEP. If CUSA splits UAB is going east and will try to bring Mississippi Southern with them.

If you look at the USM football roster, I'd be surprised if the coaches wouldn't want to go east as well.

(04-11-2013 01:49 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Another thing to remember is that, like it or not, the new SBC lineup probably isn't as attractive to the casual fan of someone like ASU or ULL. They're more likely to have better ticket sales, more donations, etc being in conference with some old SBC brethren + some of the left over CUSA schools than the new SBC line up.

If UL is selling a conference season ticket package with:

a. Georgia Southern, Troy, Georgia State, Idaho, TxState

vs a ticket package with:

b. USM, La Tech, Rice, UTEP, MT

What's the Cajun fan more likely to buy? What's more likely to spur donations? (Same with ASU).

IMHO, just a matter of time before Banowsky makes that phone call.

In ASU's case? Neither.

Rice, La Tech, UNT, and Utep wont sell tickets in Jonesboro. (No real popularity. Neck might be popular slightly with the old crowd, but Rice, UTEP, and UNT offer very little) SBC wont necessarilly sell tickets either based on just the teams we are playing.

We'll sell tickets if we win...and thats it.

(04-11-2013 03:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:49 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Another thing to remember is that, like it or not, the new SBC lineup probably isn't as attractive to the casual fan of someone like ASU or ULL. They're more likely to have better ticket sales, more donations, etc being in conference with some old SBC brethren + some of the left over CUSA schools than the new SBC line up.

If UL is selling a conference season ticket package with:

a. Georgia Southern, Troy, Georgia State, Idaho, TxState

vs a ticket package with:

b. USM, La Tech, Rice, UTEP, MT

What's the Cajun fan more likely to buy? What's more likely to spur donations? (Same with ASU).

IMHO, just a matter of time before Banowsky makes that phone call.

In ASU's case? Neither.

Rice, La Tech, UNT, and Utep wont sell tickets in Jonesboro. (No real popularity. Neck might be popular slightly with the old crowd, but Rice, UTEP, and UNT offer very little) SBC wont necessarilly sell tickets either based on just the teams we are playing.

We'll sell tickets if we win...and thats it.

That's a good point. Everyone dreams of increased attendance with a change in conference opponents but the reality is that teams that didn't draw well before a move don't usually see a long-term gain after a conference switch. Go from the SBC to the SEC and you'll see the attendance leap. SBC to CUSA...not so much.

(04-11-2013 03:57 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 03:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 01:49 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Another thing to remember is that, like it or not, the new SBC lineup probably isn't as attractive to the casual fan of someone like ASU or ULL. They're more likely to have better ticket sales, more donations, etc being in conference with some old SBC brethren + some of the left over CUSA schools than the new SBC line up.

If UL is selling a conference season ticket package with:

a. Georgia Southern, Troy, Georgia State, Idaho, TxState

vs a ticket package with:

b. USM, La Tech, Rice, UTEP, MT

What's the Cajun fan more likely to buy? What's more likely to spur donations? (Same with ASU).

IMHO, just a matter of time before Banowsky makes that phone call.

In ASU's case? Neither.

Rice, La Tech, UNT, and Utep wont sell tickets in Jonesboro. (No real popularity. Neck might be popular slightly with the old crowd, but Rice, UTEP, and UNT offer very little) SBC wont necessarilly sell tickets either based on just the teams we are playing.

We'll sell tickets if we win...and thats it.

That's a good point. Everyone dreams of increased attendance with a change in conference opponents but the reality is that teams that didn't draw well before a move don't usually see a long-term gain after a conference switch. Go from the SBC to the SEC and you'll see the attendance leap. SBC to CUSA...not so much.

I think many fail to understand that casual observers dont see the CUSA as anything different than the SBC.

Neutral fans in Arkansas couldnt tell you what league Rice was in. They would probably think La Tech was in the Sun Belt, same with UNT. They probably wouldnt know what league App State was in either, but they would at least know they beat Michigan. I made a guarantee to Cajun Fans a while back that when they venture up to Fayetville this year, they will deal with a large # of fans who think that ULM is a better program...because ULM beat Arkansas

For ASU to draw, we have to cater to the neutral party, who is a bit of a razorback fan, but can be talked into being an ASU fan. That neutral party is largely ignorant of the entire CFB world outside of the SEC.

Its probably not the same in Louisiana, but Ive always felt that the folks in Louisiana were a bit strange...

(04-11-2013 03:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you look at the USM football roster, I'd be surprised if the coaches wouldn't want to go east as well.

No Memphis, No East Carolina, No Tulane, No UCF, No Cincinatti, No Louisville, No South Florida....No old eastern CUSA division.

It's not even a southeastern division anymore. West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina. Very few games in driving distance.

Southern Miss will have a decision to make.

I think they go west...that is if they don't get picked by the America conference, which I think they eventually will be.

(04-11-2013 03:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We'll sell tickets if we win...and thats it.

If we have Rice, Tech, and Southern Miss on the schedule in the next few years, I guarantee a 30k average.

(04-11-2013 04:04 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 03:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you look at the USM football roster, I'd be surprised if the coaches wouldn't want to go east as well.

No Memphis, No East Carolina, No Tulane, No UCF, No Cincinatti, No Louisville, No South Florida....No old eastern CUSA division.

It's not even a southeastern division anymore. West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina. Very few games in driving distance.

Southern Miss will have a decision to make.

I think they go west...that is if they don't get picked by the America conference, which I think they eventually will be.

It is a challenging decision for USM. My thought is they are better off going west but it would be really easy to say with UAB and Florida presence it caters to their natural recruiting to go east.

(04-11-2013 04:06 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 03:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We'll sell tickets if we win...and thats it.

If we have Rice, Tech, and Southern Miss on the schedule in the next few years, I guarantee a 30k average.

You guys have a significant advantage of being very close to all three schools, and having a large alumini base in Houston.

I'd have to double check on travel times, but MTSU may still be the closest CUSA school to Jonesboro.

(04-11-2013 04:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
I think many fail to understand that casual observers dont see the CUSA as anything different than the SBC.

Neutral fans in Arkansas couldnt tell you what league Rice was in. They would probably think La Tech was in the Sun Belt, same with UNT. They probably wouldnt know what league App State was in either, but they would at least know they beat Michigan. I made a guarantee to Cajun Fans a while back that when they venture up to Fayetville this year, they will deal with a large # of fans who think that ULM is a better program...because ULM beat Arkansas

For ASU to draw, we have to cater to the neutral party, who is a bit of a razorback fan, but can be talked into being an ASU fan. That neutral party is largely ignorant of the entire CFB world outside of the SEC.

Its probably not the same in Louisiana, but Ive always felt that the folks in Louisiana were a bit strange...

Nonsense.

I get the "win and they will come" rhetoric, but you're deluding yourself if you don't think schools like Southern Miss, Marshall, LaTech, Rice, UTEP don't have a higher "Q" rating than many of the programs that are now entering the SBC.

The fact is, the CUSA leftovers are more likely to generate fan interest, even from the SEC-sidewalk-alumni, than many of the SBC newcomers.

Or do you really mean to convince people that ASU fans would rather see Idaho and Georgia State than Marshall and Southern Miss?

(04-11-2013 04:22 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 04:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
I think many fail to understand that casual observers dont see the CUSA as anything different than the SBC.

Neutral fans in Arkansas couldnt tell you what league Rice was in. They would probably think La Tech was in the Sun Belt, same with UNT. They probably wouldnt know what league App State was in either, but they would at least know they beat Michigan. I made a guarantee to Cajun Fans a while back that when they venture up to Fayetville this year, they will deal with a large # of fans who think that ULM is a better program...because ULM beat Arkansas

For ASU to draw, we have to cater to the neutral party, who is a bit of a razorback fan, but can be talked into being an ASU fan. That neutral party is largely ignorant of the entire CFB world outside of the SEC.

Its probably not the same in Louisiana, but Ive always felt that the folks in Louisiana were a bit strange...

Nonsense.

I get the "win and they will come" rhetoric, but you're deluding yourself if you don't think schools like Southern Miss, Marshall, LaTech, Rice, UTEP don't have a higher "Q" rating than many of the programs that are now entering the SBC.

The fact is, the CUSA leftovers are more likely to generate fan interest, even from the SEC-sidewalk-alumni, than many of the SBC newcomers.

Or do you really mean to convince people that ASU fans would rather see Idaho and Georgia State than Marshall and Southern Miss?

stAte fans are no different than any others in regard to recognizing opponents.

Chiefsfan hates CUSA and anybody in it with a passion.

(04-11-2013 04:22 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 04:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
I think many fail to understand that casual observers dont see the CUSA as anything different than the SBC.

Neutral fans in Arkansas couldnt tell you what league Rice was in. They would probably think La Tech was in the Sun Belt, same with UNT. They probably wouldnt know what league App State was in either, but they would at least know they beat Michigan. I made a guarantee to Cajun Fans a while back that when they venture up to Fayetville this year, they will deal with a large # of fans who think that ULM is a better program...because ULM beat Arkansas

For ASU to draw, we have to cater to the neutral party, who is a bit of a razorback fan, but can be talked into being an ASU fan. That neutral party is largely ignorant of the entire CFB world outside of the SEC.

Its probably not the same in Louisiana, but Ive always felt that the folks in Louisiana were a bit strange...

Nonsense.

I get the "win and they will come" rhetoric, but you're deluding yourself if you don't think schools like Southern Miss, Marshall, LaTech, Rice, UTEP don't have a higher "Q" rating than many of the programs that are now entering the SBC.

The fact is, the CUSA leftovers are more likely to generate fan interest, even from the SEC-sidewalk-alumni, than many of the SBC newcomers.

Or do you really mean to convince people that ASU fans would rather see Idaho and Georgia State than Marshall and Southern Miss?

I never said people here would be interested in Idaho and Georgia Southern. I said they wouldnt be interested in Rice, La Tech, UNT, or UTEP either. You really have to live in Arkansas to understand people here. The entire college football world revolves around Northwest Arkansas. There are fans up here who truly believe that Arkansas is a much better team than Alabama.

These people pay little attention to the College Football landscape in general. With zero CUSA teams in Arkansas, the league gets no media coverage whatsoever. Despite the La Tech Myth that they get Little Rock Coverage, I have never once seen a single article about them here.

ASU must convince those fans to go to our games, not some casual observer who actually watches college football.