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RE: the ASU, UL package deal
(04-09-2013 08:20 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 07:06 PM)swampbear Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 06:50 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I have always had respect for stAte, but some Lafayette fans are hysterical. Two decent seasons under Hudspeth and the Cajuns are now world beaters instead of the below average team of history that could barely get 10k to a game?

Y'all talk about Southern and App's cockiness and swagger but those schools have at least been strutting for years in their classification.

Looks to me like Lafayette is on the right path with a good coach but I get the same puzzled look telling people ULL is in our new conference as ULL people probably get mentioning Southern.

You have no clue as to our attendance over the years...if you are going to comment about UL at least get the facts straight..
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Attendance
ULaLaf GaSo
11 29171 17701
10 17383 17627
09 18666 16728
08 21456 18168
07 16651 18925
06 14516 15612
05 17591 16241
04
03 13995 15793
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12 ULL 22865 GSU 18487

04 ULL 21401 GSU 15123

2002 ULL ? GSU 12284

2001 ULL 9456 GSU 18660

2000 ULL 14624 GSU 16254

1999 ULL 15901 GSU 16840

1998 South Western Louisiana 9548 GSU 13154



Guess we all know everything bout ULL attendance now and can all get along YAY!! It should be noted that GSU's attendance is usually hurt by a low attended first round playoff game as it usually fell right after school ended and during the Thanksgiving holiday. The regular season avg for GSU is always a couple of thousand higher.

On a side note there is no team in the Sun Belt and or CUSA that GSU, APP, TXST, USA, JMU etc can't be as good as in a couple of years. Unlike some I believe there is a significant gap as of TODAY but good lord it is not the Grand Canyon. SOME ULL and ASU fans are acting like a few years of success means they will be on par with AL soon. I remember when NT was dominating the Sun Belt... things changed I guess, it probably will for ASU and ULL as well. It is hilarious to hear basically a bunch former I-AA teams, less successful than App and GSU btw, talk down to the current move ups. Everyone's program has improved since the move up but please, not one CUSA team and or Sun Belt team is light years ahead of the elite FCS teams. Yes FBS>FCS no doubt but that does not mean every program in the FBS is better than every FCS program.

The wonderful thing about all this is it will get to be played out on the field folks! I really don't see the point of over the top pissing matches. He who laughs last.....
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(04-11-2013 12:22 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 11:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Typical Wood, the man hasn't changed a bit.

CUSA has a problem of being skewed to the east so he wants to solve it by adding one team in the east and one in the west to keep the imbalance which doesn't fix UAB's problem.

I think this illustrates that one, getting the votes to expand will be a difficulty if Wood doesn't understand that adding two to the west gives him UAB or he doesn't UAB on his side.

Two, the league is not cohesive and likely to break up even if there are no further raids.


If the eastern schools would rather JMU than UAB, then actually add JMU, this will signify the end of CUSA. That's basically telling the western schools plus UAB to go pound sand.

It's time for the western CUSA schools to take a stand here.

Me personally. I hope Wood has the backing of his president and that is their stance. In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.
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(04-09-2013 05:54 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 05:27 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Possibly preemptive? Big 12 will eventually add 2 big 10 and sec possibly 2 each that is six
Aac acc will refill etc etc.. some will come from cusa at least two.

Preemptive move cusa still stable. SBC scrambling.

When you have people beating down your door to get in... there is no scramble. JSU, Sam Houston, Mo. State, Liberty... and many many more will slip right in.

We've already had our chance and said no, so cross us off.
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(04-11-2013 01:09 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  We've already had our chance and said no, so cross us off.

Everybody says they aren't interested until the press conference rolls around. Y'all aren't spending $40 million on your football facilities in order to stay in the MVC. With the Pot1+Pot+2+Pot3 money that's a lot of money just to say no to.
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(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:22 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 11:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Typical Wood, the man hasn't changed a bit.

CUSA has a problem of being skewed to the east so he wants to solve it by adding one team in the east and one in the west to keep the imbalance which doesn't fix UAB's problem.

I think this illustrates that one, getting the votes to expand will be a difficulty if Wood doesn't understand that adding two to the west gives him UAB or he doesn't UAB on his side.

Two, the league is not cohesive and likely to break up even if there are no further raids.


If the eastern schools would rather JMU than UAB, then actually add JMU, this will signify the end of CUSA. That's basically telling the western schools plus UAB to go pound sand.

It's time for the western CUSA schools to take a stand here.

Me personally. I hope Wood has the backing of his president and that is their stance. In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

show me your version of this conf please. SO miss would stay with UAB
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(04-11-2013 01:24 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:22 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 11:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Typical Wood, the man hasn't changed a bit.

CUSA has a problem of being skewed to the east so he wants to solve it by adding one team in the east and one in the west to keep the imbalance which doesn't fix UAB's problem.

I think this illustrates that one, getting the votes to expand will be a difficulty if Wood doesn't understand that adding two to the west gives him UAB or he doesn't UAB on his side.

Two, the league is not cohesive and likely to break up even if there are no further raids.


If the eastern schools would rather JMU than UAB, then actually add JMU, this will signify the end of CUSA. That's basically telling the western schools plus UAB to go pound sand.

It's time for the western CUSA schools to take a stand here.

Me personally. I hope Wood has the backing of his president and that is their stance. In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

show me your version of this conf please. SO miss would stay with UAB

Won't be my version, it will be whatever UNT, UTEP, Rice, et.al. like.
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(04-11-2013 01:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 01:24 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:22 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 11:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Typical Wood, the man hasn't changed a bit.

CUSA has a problem of being skewed to the east so he wants to solve it by adding one team in the east and one in the west to keep the imbalance which doesn't fix UAB's problem.

I think this illustrates that one, getting the votes to expand will be a difficulty if Wood doesn't understand that adding two to the west gives him UAB or he doesn't UAB on his side.

Two, the league is not cohesive and likely to break up even if there are no further raids.


If the eastern schools would rather JMU than UAB, then actually add JMU, this will signify the end of CUSA. That's basically telling the western schools plus UAB to go pound sand.

It's time for the western CUSA schools to take a stand here.

Me personally. I hope Wood has the backing of his president and that is their stance. In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

show me your version of this conf please. SO miss would stay with UAB

Won't be my version, it will be whatever UNT, UTEP, Rice, et.al. like.

still like to see what you would have because I kind of like the idea
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(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

My guess if it goes to 16 and there are no futher moves, unlikely though. There would be another "Airport" meeting in 5-7 years. And we would see what is precieved to be the best 9-12 schools break away, no matter where they are located.
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(04-11-2013 02:17 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  My guess if it goes to 16 and there are no futher moves, unlikely though. There would be another "Airport" meeting in 5-7 years. And we would see what is precieved to be the best 9-12 schools break away, no matter where they are located.

...and you think this won't happen if you stay at the magical number of 14?

My friend, it will be even more likely to happen if you stay at 14.

It really is just a matter of time before a split happens anyway. 2 regionally distinct conferences is what is best in the long run for ALL schools involved.

What we're witnessing this year is this sausage being made, and it ain't pretty.
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(04-11-2013 02:17 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

My guess if it goes to 16 and there are no futher moves, unlikely though. There would be another "Airport" meeting in 5-7 years. And we would see what is precieved to be the best 9-12 schools break away, no matter where they are located.

I agree with this, and I also agree with CN that it would probably happen at 14 also. Best thing a G5 school can do now-a-days is grow their athletic budget and keep up with the arms race.
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(04-11-2013 02:17 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  In the long run the best thing that can happen is CUSA East and West to divorce.

UAB can move into the new eastern league and they can round their numbers out with Sun Belt eastern schools and CUSA West can round their numbers out with Sun Belt western schools.

My guess if it goes to 16 and there are no futher moves, unlikely though. There would be another "Airport" meeting in 5-7 years. And we would see what is precieved to be the best 9-12 schools break away, no matter where they are located.

But built in bias will skew it heavily geographic. As Selig's comments indicate he thinks the best addition for CUSA is a school within his region that has not transitioned to FBS or made a public pronouncement toward that aim. I doubt his counter-part at North Texas shares that vision.

I would bet that if Marshall and ODU sat down together to come up with a list of 9 to 12 schools they want to be in a conference with that are available to secure that the list will have little overlap with the list that North Texas and Rice would come up with.
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(04-11-2013 02:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 02:17 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  My guess if it goes to 16 and there are no futher moves, unlikely though. There would be another "Airport" meeting in 5-7 years. And we would see what is precieved to be the best 9-12 schools break away, no matter where they are located.

...and you think this won't happen if you stay at the magical number of 14?

My friend, it will be even more likely to happen if you stay at 14.

It really is just a matter of time before a split happens anyway. 2 regionally distinct conferences is what is best in the long run for ALL schools involved.

What we're witnessing this year is this sausage being made, and it ain't pretty.

I didn't say anything about region. Those schools lagging behind in athletics, coaches and wins would get left behind.
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Ok i will tell you what I would like for marshall

Marshall, So Miss, UAB, FIU, FAU, ODU, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, La Tech, Ark State, Louisiana
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(04-11-2013 02:41 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I would bet that if Marshall and ODU sat down together to come up with a list of 9 to 12 schools they want to be in a conference with that are available to secure that the list will have little overlap with the list that North Texas and Rice would come up with.

My guess is Mike Hamrick and DR Kopp would have went with the 3 school package of ODU, JMU and Delaware. At the time MTSU, FAU and WKU weren't on the radar. I don't think either Hamrick or DR Kopp would support bringing in JMU by themselves. Neither supported Appy State with ECU screaming at the top of their lungs to bring them in.
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