According to Forbes of the Top 650 Schools in the US Liberty is #584.. not good.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

(04-09-2013 12:31 PM)South Main Wrote:  According to Forbes of the Top 650 Schools in the US Liberty is #584.. not good.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

Just thought I'd throw in GA State ranked at #403. JMU's at 157 by the way.

(04-09-2013 12:52 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 12:31 PM)South Main Wrote:  According to Forbes of the Top 650 Schools in the US Liberty is #584.. not good.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

Just thought I'd throw in GA State ranked at #403. JMU's at 157 by the way.

ew some sunbelt schools on that last page

(04-09-2013 12:52 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 12:31 PM)South Main Wrote:  According to Forbes of the Top 650 Schools in the US Liberty is #584.. not good.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

Just thought I'd throw in GA State ranked at #403. JMU's at 157 by the way.

W&L is ahead of UVA? Hampden-Sydney and VMI are ahead of JMU? Uhmmm.

The Tribe belong in the Ivy with their rating.

I recognize there is very little we folks at Liberty can do to change the minds of some. I personally feel our views are misconstrued by many and the bigotry charges are unfounded. For the record, College Republicans aren't recognized on campus at LU either. We have moved our focus significantly away from politics in the past decade.

And consider me as someone who would love to be in the same conference as the Dukes. But I get the feelings of many on here otherwise.

(04-09-2013 03:08 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  I recognize there is very little we folks at Liberty can do to change the minds of some. I personally feel our views are misconstrued by many and the bigotry charges are unfounded. For the record, College Republicans aren't recognized on campus at LU either. We have moved our focus significantly away from politics in the past decade.

And consider me as someone who would love to be in the same conference as the Dukes. But I get the feelings of many on here otherwise.

I bleed purple but have done grad work at LU. Most of the people I run into are gracious and kind. At least people know what LU stands for up front; I have a greater problem with the indoctrination that takes place on many other campuses. but again, when one goes to a public university or bastion of liberalism like our friendly college in Williamsburg, what can they expect? My greater concern is our lethargic performances so often against Liberty in athletics! I am hoping you do not have anything good to talk about after tonight's baseball game. But I certainly would not put $ on the Dukes if I were a betting man. In addition, LU puts their $ where their mouth is when it comes to facilities. They are making great strides in that area.

(04-09-2013 03:08 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  I recognize there is very little we folks at Liberty can do to change the minds of some. I personally feel our views are misconstrued by many and the bigotry charges are unfounded. For the record, College Republicans aren't recognized on campus at LU either. We have moved our focus significantly away from politics in the past decade.

And consider me as someone who would love to be in the same conference as the Dukes. But I get the feelings of many on here otherwise.

Personally, I'd ally with anyone who would get us into FBS and step over the dying corpse of anyone who stood in our way. Kidding (/slightly)!

Seriously, I understand the issues some have with Liberty, but I feel like to the extent those are real problems with the school's actions, history, or public perceptions, they are Liberty's to deal with and would not be a hindrance to anyone in an athletic conference with them. I can appreciate not wanting to even be in the same conversation as those issues, but to me Liberty is committed to improving both its academic approach and its athletic department. It's got scads of money to spend on each, a burgeoning profile due to the online school, and the potential for publicizing itself and its conference mates via its network in a way that could be a powerful help in the future, and having Liberty in the conference helps with travel costs for Olympic sports. The only thing I wonder is if, in the future, some schools will simply refuse to play Liberty. The controversy over that would make them unsuitable as a conference-mate.

Why is there a stigma associated with the liberty online degree program versus any other online degree program?

I say we leave Liberty alone and focus on our own business of taking VT's spot in the state

(04-09-2013 04:44 PM)brizzock Wrote:  Why is there a stigma associated with the liberty online degree program versus any other online degree program?

Christian persecution.

(04-09-2013 12:31 PM)South Main Wrote:  According to Forbes of the Top 650 Schools in the US Liberty is #584.. not good.

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/

Check out those Sun Belt schools people want to associate with--holy hell! CUSA pretty damn bad too.

I guess I never really understood the academic argument when it comes to athletics. But I guess, it could be because of recruiting. Those schools who are less academically prestigious are able to recruit players that are slightly better, even though their grades aren't that great.

Story has been updated, no e-mails from Bourn, but a couple from Sunbelt.

Sounds like Mr. Bourne was being smart by not replying by email. Obviously he called back if several emails were sent.

(04-09-2013 07:20 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Sounds like Mr. Bourne was being smart by not replying by email. Obviously he called back if several emails were sent.

Well, it is certainly interesting that one of the e-mails from Benson was basically following up saying "just wanted to make sure you got the e-mail I sent."

(04-09-2013 08:29 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 07:20 PM)jmufan Wrote:  Sounds like Mr. Bourne was being smart by not replying by email. Obviously he called back if several emails were sent.

Well, it is certainly interesting that one of the e-mails from Benson was basically following up saying "just wanted to make sure you got the e-mail I sent." :banghead:

Maybe it takes Jeff a few days to actually get the email. I am sure we have extensive spam filters that carefully "monitor" every email thoroughly.

I wonder if they only did an FOIA request for documents related specifically to Liberty and/or the Sun Belt. Perhaps a more general FOIA for all FBS related documents would be more interesting to us.

(04-09-2013 11:21 AM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  

(04-09-2013 11:17 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Texas state just started football? wasn't aware of that, and the others I still haven't gotten my brain around all these far flung teams.

Nah, they had just upgraded to FBS. They've had football awhile. I probably shouldn't have included them as an upstart.

"Awhile"? Yes, I would say so...if starting play in 1904 qualifies as "awhile"....oh, and a program with 2 National Championships to boot. Man, you talk about an East Coast myopia.

FOIA probably wouldn't turn up anything useful other than fake documents with an announcement about moving to the SEC for the poor sucker who thought it'd be worth anyone's time to file an FOIA about this. As dumb as everyone thinks Bourne and company is...they're not going to leave obvious tracks in their JMU accounts or other easily associated accounts.