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(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.
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(04-11-2013 02:51 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If the Longhorn Network fails that will spell MAJOR trouble for the future of the Big 12.

How so? Not disagreeing with you but I was always under the impression that the Long Horn Network's intentions were a point of contention among the Big 12 schools, and the last straw for schools like Nebraska and Texas A&M.
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(04-12-2013 07:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-11-2013 02:51 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  If the Longhorn Network fails that will spell MAJOR trouble for the future of the Big 12.

How so? Not disagreeing with you but I was always under the impression that the Long Horn Network's intentions were a point of contention among the Big 12 schools, and the last straw for schools like Nebraska and Texas A&M.

Many believe that LHN is the only thing keeping UT in the B12 (ie that their lawyers and finances could beat the GOR if they really wanted to but even if they did, no conference with a network will take them as long as they still have LHN) so that if LHN fails they will start looking around again, particularly at the PAC as part of a 4 team package with OU/OSU/TTU.

Obviously there's a little more to it than that but they are probably correct in that LHN (and not the GOR) is the single biggest thing keeping them anchored to the B12.
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(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.

Wait -- last I checked, East Carolina Wake Forest as also an FBS school in NC, so the total is 5, yes?
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(04-12-2013 08:16 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 07:22 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.

Wait -- last I checked, East Carolina Wake Forest as also an FBS school in NC, so the total is 5, yes?

I think he confused FBS for BCS AQ.
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(04-12-2013 08:24 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 08:16 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 07:22 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.

Wait -- last I checked, East Carolina Wake Forest as also an FBS school in NC, so the total is 5, yes?

I think he confused FBS for BCS AQ.

Yeah that's it. But including all FBS schools makes the situation with Missouri look even more strange.
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I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East. It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.
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(04-09-2013 10:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-09-2013 10:45 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Yeah, i don't know why the big 12 just didn't jump to 11 with LVILLE if they were uncertain about pick 12 or more. Well, i can guess, 11 isn't as clean cut as 12, probably would have taken a short term $ hit, and the big 12 figured Lville had no place to go. Lesson learned is to think long term rather than short term but i'm not sure how that applies to other leagues right now. The acc could pick up UCONN but than they would need a football only school to pair with ND. I think the better move for the ACC would be to offer WVU, thus they would box the big 12 out of its region. Would WVU jump is another issue but i think the acc should tell them they have an open invite for spot 16, than they could worry about the football only after wvu moved.

Navy......

If ND demands it, that's who it will be. I don't think ND will make that kind of demand though.
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(04-13-2013 04:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East. It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.

If ND can get through five ACC teams and their games against USC, MSU, etc. I think they deserve it. It's not like we don't have a chance to hand them 5 losses a year.
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(04-13-2013 04:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. [b]Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East.[/b] It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.

ND did not make two million this year from a bowl.

It made $6.1 million from playing in the national championship game.

I linked the article earlier in the thread when you said that the first time.

Besides, none of that $6.1 million had a thing to do with the Big East, nothing. Also, ND shared none of that money with the Big East. None.

Where are you getting this false information?

If ND's ACC deal had been in effect in 2012, the result would have been the same.

None of that money came out of the Big East's pocket nor would any of that money have come out of the ACC's pocket. The ACC would have received none of that money.

The only thing you are referencing is if ND makes a minor ACC bowl. That money is really chicken feed going forward.
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(04-13-2013 04:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East. It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.

Notre Dame would have a hard time finishing third in the coastal division in most years.04-cheers
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(04-12-2013 07:22 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.

Agreed. NJ with 9 million people and good high school football only has Rutgers.

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(04-13-2013 09:55 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 04:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. [b]Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East.[/b] It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.

ND did not make two million this year from a bowl.

It made $6.1 million from playing in the national championship game.

I linked the article earlier in the thread when you said that the first time.

Besides, none of that $6.1 million had a thing to do with the Big East, nothing. Also, ND shared none of that money with the Big East. None.

Where are you getting this false information?

If ND's ACC deal had been in effect in 2012, the result would have been the same.

None of that money came out of the Big East's pocket nor would any of that money have come out of the ACC's pocket. The ACC would have received none of that money.

The only thing you are referencing is if ND makes a minor ACC bowl. That money is really chicken feed going forward.

You forgot to pick apart the biggest failing in his arguement. Namely that ND would have earned $23 million from their bowl if they had been in the ACC. He's implying that ND would steal the Orange bowl from the ACC which is untrue. As a matter of fact it's entirely possible the ACC champ could play a 10-2 or 11-1 ND team as the Orange Bowl opponent. Which they have a special deal worked out. I'm sure if ND get a playoff bid or access bowl, they'll keep all of that but that's no money out of the ACC's pocket.
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(04-13-2013 02:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 09:55 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 04:04 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I'm certain Louisville fans love being in the ACC and they most likely prefer the ACC to the Big 12. The one negative factor is once Notre Dame gets the top bowl from the league and keeps all the money from that particular bowl, then it may not be so rosie. I expect Notre Dame to be atop the ACC most years with Kelly coaching taking all the major top bowl money for itself. [b]Most writers have concluded that Notre Dame, if in the ACC this year or 2012-2013 when it played Alabama for the national title would have earned 23 million in the ACC rather that the small 2 million as part of the Big East.[/b] It had to share with Big East teams last year. That is one thing I hold against the ACC and would in some ways prefer the Big 12 to the ACC for Cincinnati. Notre Dame will be taking all of the top bowl money for itself nearly every year in the near future. I don't see Louisville beating out Notre Dame for the top bowl shot in 2014 Charlie Strong or Teddy Bridgewater or no Teddy or Charlie.

ND did not make two million this year from a bowl.

It made $6.1 million from playing in the national championship game.

I linked the article earlier in the thread when you said that the first time.

Besides, none of that $6.1 million had a thing to do with the Big East, nothing. Also, ND shared none of that money with the Big East. None.

Where are you getting this false information?

If ND's ACC deal had been in effect in 2012, the result would have been the same.

None of that money came out of the Big East's pocket nor would any of that money have come out of the ACC's pocket. The ACC would have received none of that money.

The only thing you are referencing is if ND makes a minor ACC bowl. That money is really chicken feed going forward.

You forgot to pick apart the biggest failing in his arguement. Namely that ND would have earned $23 million from their bowl if they had been in the ACC. He's implying that ND would steal the Orange bowl from the ACC which is untrue. As a matter of fact it's entirely possible the ACC champ could play a 10-2 or 11-1 ND team as the Orange Bowl opponent. Which they have a special deal worked out. I'm sure if ND get a playoff bid or access bowl, they'll keep all of that but that's no money out of the ACC's pocket.



Lol, yeah. That too...

In the old days, he would have been correct.

ND used to get the same share as an entire conference. The original number was $17.5 million. ND got to keep it all in 2000, 2005 and 2006. (It didn't matter what conference ND's other sports were in, though. BE or ACC, it would have been the same).

Kevin White rolled over and accepted the new BCS deal. It called for ND to get the same share as a second conference BCS bowl team (It was $4.5 million) when it made a BCS bowl and $1.3 million when it did not.

Again, none of that has anything to do with what conference ND is in for its other sports. That is ND's BCS deal as an independent.
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The ACC/ND agreement is a fair deal for both parties. I don't think either is complaining.
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(04-10-2013 12:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Missouri has one FBS university and a population exceeding six million.

That really is an amazing statistic when taken in isolation. Compare that to NC with four schools, or even Indiana with three. Ohio is a lot like MO with only two. Basically the dispersion of FBS schools relative to population is so off balance that it can't have any predictive value.
Do you have BCS schools and FBS schools confused with each other? Ohio FBS schools are OSU, UC, Akron, Kent State, OhioU, MiamiU, Toledo and Bowling Green, which I reckon add up to eight rather than two. Two of those are BCS schools, one is scheduled to be an Access Bowl "Contract School" come 2014.
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The Big XII should have passed on TCU and grabbed Houston, Louisville, and Cincinnati.
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