(04-10-2013 04:03 PM)Morkai Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 11:28 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  And I thought the politics-religion forum was bad.

What's wrong with a guy selling a dog?

Last I checked, Pet Smart, PetCo, breeders -- they all charge.

I heard you can't even pick up a pet from the pound or from a foster system without paying for it.

Whoa, we agree.

On second thought....

(04-10-2013 09:00 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 04:03 PM)Morkai Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 11:28 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  And I thought the politics-religion forum was bad.

What's wrong with a guy selling a dog?

Last I checked, Pet Smart, PetCo, breeders -- they all charge.

I heard you can't even pick up a pet from the pound or from a foster system without paying for it.

Whoa, we agree.

And that tells me you are okay with breeders, and you either have no idea what goes on behind the scenes of the pet store "industry" or you don't care.

You also have no idea what it costs to foster an animal or even house it in the "pound", or you don't care. You also probably "don't get" the difference between removing a dog who has lived with your family for years and a "pound" or foster home finding a permanent home for a dog which has been in their temporary care for, hopefully, a few days to a few months.

I can try to explain it to you, but ultimately, I can't make you "understand" the difference if it's not in your heart and soul.

I assume you're not talking to me.

I have had pets all my life -- primarily dogs and cats. And the loss of each one of them rips your guts out. No, I know all too well the pain associated with losing a dear friend.

Recently we've brought on board a parakeet and two guinea pigs. I'll admit, I'm not feeling the same bond with them as the bonds with my dogs and cats. And I don't think I ever will.

I don't begrudge the pound or a foster system charging $$$ for a pet. There are legitimate costs involved and they should not be expected to have to operate at a loss.

I will say this, though -- nobody is ever going to convince me that the right thing to do in every case is to spay or neuter a pet. I wouldn't want to be sterilized so I definitely don't think I should do that to an animal.

As far as what goes on behind the scenes with breeders or the pet store industries... well, I've heard stories. Does that mean they're ALL like that or that SOME of them are like that?

But I've also heard what goes on behind the scenes of meat processing plants. That does not mean I'm going to stop eating beef.

When I was doing Keeshond rescue, my adoption fee was $150. Almost every dogs that came in was heartworm positive, not fixed and not vaccinated. HW treatment around $400 or $500, vaccines and spay/neuter another couple of hundred, not to mention other health issues the dog may have. You do the math....

(04-11-2013 09:45 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  There are some on here that kill the op yet have pets they keep outside 24/7. I, personally, find that terrible but others are totally fine with that. I would bet the split is about 50/50 on that, just like the idea of selling a dog.

That shows just how much you actually know about some breeds of dogs...but not surprised.

I agree with you. We keep ours inside, but I've known lots of dogs that would probably find a way to call the ASPCA if they had to be made into inside dogs.

(04-11-2013 09:45 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  There are some on here that kill the op yet have pets they keep outside 24/7. I, personally, find that terrible but others are totally fine with that. I would bet the split is about 50/50 on that, just like the idea of selling a dog.

That shows just how much you actually know about some breeds of dogs...but not surprised.

Uh...I had a doberman growing up (didnt crop the ears b/c that was stupid) a she was a FANTASTIC inside dog. Would let her out in the back to run and took for walks. Had an old beat up "Archie Bunker" type chair that she would curl up on. Did just fine inside.

Sure, dogs "can" stay outside, just like homeless humans "can" survive the elements.

I guess you are of the opinion that the horses on Beale are cool with lugging carriages around? I mean, they are beasts of burden and all.

(04-12-2013 09:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:45 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  There are some on here that kill the op yet have pets they keep outside 24/7. I, personally, find that terrible but others are totally fine with that. I would bet the split is about 50/50 on that, just like the idea of selling a dog.

That shows just how much you actually know about some breeds of dogs...but not surprised.

Uh...I had a doberman growing up (didnt crop the ears b/c that was stupid) a she was a FANTASTIC inside dog. Would let her out in the back to run and took for walks. Had an old beat up "Archie Bunker" type chair that she would curl up on. Did just fine inside.

Sure, dogs "can" stay outside, just like homeless humans "can" survive the elements.

I guess you are of the opinion that the horses on Beale are cool with lugging carriages around? I mean, they are beasts of burden and all.

Most of you know we have a rescue german shepherd, Buckets. We live in Condo with a nice sized patio. When he was in his foster home, he was an "outside" dog and let's just say some folks thought we needed yard for him. I am not the type of person to have an "outside" dog.

At this point, precious paws only wants to be outside if someone is with him- even at my parents house which has the traditional backyard. His walks, trips to the dog park and occasional doggy daycare give him all the exercise he desires- his is fit, happy and healthy. You get what you put into a dog.

(04-11-2013 04:28 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  When I was doing Keeshond rescue, my adoption fee was $150. Almost every dogs that came in was heartworm positive, not fixed and not vaccinated. HW treatment around $400 or $500, vaccines and spay/neuter another couple of hundred, not to mention other health issues the dog may have. You do the math....

Several years ago we were driving to Marion AR in the rain. We had just gone north off of 40 to 55 and we saw a black lab sitting in the grass just off the shoulder.

A couple of hours later as were began the drive home we saw the same dog sitting in the same place in the rain.

Because she was still sitting there we thought we should check out the situation. We got on the service road and pulled up to her. As soon as we opened the door she darted over to us and jumped in the car. She was a pretty good size and soaking wet. She didn't have a collar so we didn't have a number to call.

We decided to take her home and post fliers and an ad in the paper.

We took her to the vet and was told she had heartworms. We didn't hesitate and told them to do the procedure. When we took her back for her checkup we were told the treatment didn't take. So we did it again.

We spent over $1,000 on Abby (yes, we named her.) There was never a hesitation or doubt.

I understand that rescuing dogs comes with a price. And sometimes that price is quite high.

Which is why it doesn't bother me that someone charges for an animal.

(04-12-2013 09:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:45 AM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 09:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  There are some on here that kill the op yet have pets they keep outside 24/7. I, personally, find that terrible but others are totally fine with that. I would bet the split is about 50/50 on that, just like the idea of selling a dog.

That shows just how much you actually know about some breeds of dogs...but not surprised.

Uh...I had a doberman growing up (didnt crop the ears b/c that was stupid) a she was a FANTASTIC inside dog. Would let her out in the back to run and took for walks. Had an old beat up "Archie Bunker" type chair that she would curl up on. Did just fine inside.

Sure, dogs "can" stay outside, just like homeless humans "can" survive the elements.

I guess you are of the opinion that the horses on Beale are cool with lugging carriages around? I mean, they are beasts of burden and all.

There are some dogs that prefer to be outside.

But aside from that... what about wild animals? They can survive outside in the elements, but should they have to?

(04-12-2013 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 04:28 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  When I was doing Keeshond rescue, my adoption fee was $150. Almost every dogs that came in was heartworm positive, not fixed and not vaccinated. HW treatment around $400 or $500, vaccines and spay/neuter another couple of hundred, not to mention other health issues the dog may have. You do the math....

Several years ago we were driving to Marion AR in the rain. We had just gone north off of 40 to 55 and we saw a black lab sitting in the grass just off the shoulder.

A couple of hours later as were began the drive home we saw the same dog sitting in the same place in the rain.

Because she was still sitting there we thought we should check out the situation. We got on the service road and pulled up to her. As soon as we opened the door she darted over to us and jumped in the car. She was a pretty good size and soaking wet. She didn't have a collar so we didn't have a number to call.

We decided to take her home and post fliers and an ad in the paper.

We took her to the vet and was told she had heartworms. We didn't hesitate and told them to do the procedure. When we took her back for her checkup we were told the treatment didn't take. So we did it again.

We spent over $1,000 on Abby (yes, we named her.) There was never a hesitation or doubt.

I understand that rescuing dogs comes with a price. And sometimes that price is quite high.

Which is why it doesn't bother me that someone charges for an animal.

That is awesome.....do you still have Abby?

There are many breeds BUILT to live outside in the cold with very thick fur or even double coats. All dogs are different, just like all people are different. I have 2 Dobies. 1 loves to come inside for a little while and then gets totally bored and wants to go back outside. The other HATES being inside and thinks he is being severely punished when I MAKE him come in when it gets bitterly cold. I have owned Collies that hated to come inside. Most hyper dogs enjoy living outside because they can run and play when they feel like it. My Dobies have a VERY nice insulated duplex doghouse that was custom made for them. They have nice cots to lay down on under the covered patio and ceiling fans overhead.

My KoKo is an inside dog but spends a great deal of time outside. He just loves being outside and playing with Kyzer and running and playing in the mud puddles. Most of the time I have to make him come inside.

My Savannah (Pom) and my Tinkerbelle (4 lb. Yorkie) loved to be outside, even when it was cold, before they went to heaven.

My brother has 14 dogs (all rescues and lives in the country in Holly Springs) and they have a doggie door that works great so they can come and go as they please. I would also have one if KoKo wasn't so big. A human could slide through so no way I can have one.

Some humans love cold weather and wear shorts year around....some hate it and stay cold even in the summer....point is, all are different.

weird but true....my cousin that lives in New Orleans has raised and shown all over the country for 25 years, Siberians. Because of their coats and to keep in show shape, they lived mostly outside during the winter because they were miserable in the heated house. During the summers (alot like ours) she made them live inside in the air-conditioning and kept the house freezing just for them. Her husband and son stayed sick all the time but she didn't care. Her dogs came first.

(04-12-2013 01:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 04:28 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  When I was doing Keeshond rescue, my adoption fee was $150. Almost every dogs that came in was heartworm positive, not fixed and not vaccinated. HW treatment around $400 or $500, vaccines and spay/neuter another couple of hundred, not to mention other health issues the dog may have. You do the math....

Several years ago we were driving to Marion AR in the rain. We had just gone north off of 40 to 55 and we saw a black lab sitting in the grass just off the shoulder.

A couple of hours later as were began the drive home we saw the same dog sitting in the same place in the rain.

Because she was still sitting there we thought we should check out the situation. We got on the service road and pulled up to her. As soon as we opened the door she darted over to us and jumped in the car. She was a pretty good size and soaking wet. She didn't have a collar so we didn't have a number to call.

We decided to take her home and post fliers and an ad in the paper.

We took her to the vet and was told she had heartworms. We didn't hesitate and told them to do the procedure. When we took her back for her checkup we were told the treatment didn't take. So we did it again.

We spent over $1,000 on Abby (yes, we named her.) There was never a hesitation or doubt.

I understand that rescuing dogs comes with a price. And sometimes that price is quite high.

Which is why it doesn't bother me that someone charges for an animal.

That is awesome.....do you still have Abby?

I really wish we did. She was a beautiful, sweet girl. The vet said she was about a year old.

At the time we had two dogs, both chow mixes -- Sam and Sophie. I posted a link to a pic of Sophie a couple of posts back. And we were also preparing the house for our yet-to-be-born daughter.

Abby was VERY playful and my wife was concerned about having her around the baby.

Wow! I just realized... my daughter turned 13 back in Feb, so that means this story is over 13 years old.

Anyway, we found a good home for Abby.

And for those who might be interested, no, we didn't ask for money.

But I hope someone could understand if we had asked for something. Spending an unbudgeted $1,000 while trying to prepare for a baby can be tough.

(04-12-2013 02:38 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:56 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(04-11-2013 04:28 PM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  When I was doing Keeshond rescue, my adoption fee was $150. Almost every dogs that came in was heartworm positive, not fixed and not vaccinated. HW treatment around $400 or $500, vaccines and spay/neuter another couple of hundred, not to mention other health issues the dog may have. You do the math....

Several years ago we were driving to Marion AR in the rain. We had just gone north off of 40 to 55 and we saw a black lab sitting in the grass just off the shoulder.

A couple of hours later as were began the drive home we saw the same dog sitting in the same place in the rain.

Because she was still sitting there we thought we should check out the situation. We got on the service road and pulled up to her. As soon as we opened the door she darted over to us and jumped in the car. She was a pretty good size and soaking wet. She didn't have a collar so we didn't have a number to call.

We decided to take her home and post fliers and an ad in the paper.

We took her to the vet and was told she had heartworms. We didn't hesitate and told them to do the procedure. When we took her back for her checkup we were told the treatment didn't take. So we did it again.

We spent over $1,000 on Abby (yes, we named her.) There was never a hesitation or doubt.

I understand that rescuing dogs comes with a price. And sometimes that price is quite high.

Which is why it doesn't bother me that someone charges for an animal.

That is awesome.....do you still have Abby?

I really wish we did. She was a beautiful, sweet girl. The vet said she was about a year old.

At the time we had two dogs, both chow mixes -- Sam and Sophie. I posted a link to a pic of Sophie a couple of posts back. And we were also preparing the house for our yet-to-be-born daughter.

Abby was VERY playful and my wife was concerned about having her around the baby.

Wow! I just realized... my daughter turned 13 back in Feb, so that means this story is over 13 years old.

Anyway, we found a good home for Abby.

And for those who might be interested, no, we didn't ask for money.

But I hope someone could understand if we had asked for something. Spending an unbudgeted $1,000 while trying to prepare for a baby can be tough.

Great job umbluegray....thank you! Abby was one lucky pup.

(04-12-2013 02:37 PM)missjtiger Wrote:  weird but true....my cousin that lives in New Orleans has raised and shown all over the country for 25 years, Siberians. Because of their coats and to keep in show shape, they lived mostly outside during the winter because they were miserable in the heated house. During the summers (alot like ours) she made them live inside in the air-conditioning and kept the house freezing just for them. Her husband and son stayed sick all the time but she didn't care. Her dogs came first.

J, I am not even talking about the environment or the weather. Some dogs love to be out, so be it. Mine wanted to be where I was all the time. They would break down doors to get to me. So they stayed in with us.