With all the talk about firing/retiring coaches, replacing and cleaning house, I decided to actually look at the numbers. The last year of the SoCon to current day, how have the coaches done? Have they overachieved, underachieved or strived for mediocrity? Using the records published through media guides on etsubucs.com as well as some budget numbers I came across, I put together a spreadsheet checking records, average budget, NCAA appearances, conference titles, etc... I did not include invidual sports such as tennis, golf and track in this, simply because most of those athletes have individual instructors and it's not so much about coaching/strategy. If someone knows how to convert spreadsheets to .pdf, I'll post the spreadsheet too, if not, here we go.

Murry Bartow: 189-135 with a .583 winning percentage, Bartow has performed the best in the stick and ball sports with three NCAA tournaments, 2 other postseason apperances along with four conference titles. Along with that, comes 8 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons along with multiple off court incidents from DUI's to drugs. Along with this, comes the highest budget of any sport on campus, a budget that increased to almost 1.4 million dollars from 753K in 03-04.

Karen Kemp: 163-137 with a .543 winning percentage, Kemp comes in 2nd of the coaches who have been there more than two years. Four conference titles, three NCAA appearances as well as an NIT appearance. Kemp had six winning seasons compared to four losing seasons, and didn't have more than two straight losing records in what is the A-Sun era. Karen saw her budget increase from around 430K to over 900K in her last season. Zero off season incidents publicized.

Lindsey Devine: 165-154 for a .517 winning percentage. Until this past season, Devine was a below .500 coach. She has one NCAA appearance with her one conference title, five winning and five losing records having had consecutive losing seasons occur twice, including a 7-22 season in which she was not fired after. Her budget has increased by 211K dollars to be just over .500 and one championship that led to a bloodletting from Kentucky. Zero publicized off court issues, but there has been some great messageboard fodder over an alleged incident of someone not following protocol contacting players.

Tony Skole: 265-291 for an astounding .476 winning percentage. Skole has no NCAA apperances, as he's never won a conference title. Ever. Four winning seasons compared to six losing records, He's seen his budget MORE THAN DOUBLE in his time as the Bucs skipper. Officially he has had only one publicized incident where the players were ran until they laid on the field in their own puke, but there's been whispers over the years of an alleged incident that may or may not have occurred in the mid 2000's.

Andrea Mangrum: The fired ETSU softball coach finished up with a 126-161 record for a .439 percentage. No titles, no NCAA appearances and no facility other than playing softball games at the beer league park over by Science Hill. She did see a budget increase, and also in her time saw Dave and the Water Buffalo botch USA Softball coming to campus once she finally did get a stadium. She never had a winning season.

Brad Irwin: 26-71 - .268 in his short and probably soon to be ending time at ETSU. He has a facility, large enough budget and has yet to qualify for the conference tournament. I can't really add to this other than softball has actually gotten worse.

Heather Henson - 61-70-17 - Terminated without a conference title, NCAA appearance and only three winning seasons vs. five losing. Her teams classically underachieved.

Adam Sayers - 24-11-1, Sayers has really excelled in a short time in Johnson City. With a .667 winning percentage, he's already won a conference title but choked away the NCAA appearance. Jury is out here.

Scott Calabrese - 37-32-8, a winning record but not a winning percentage when you look that out of 77 games, he's only won 37. He does have a conference title and an NCAA appearance, but also has a great budget and facility to recruit to. Jury is out here, but in most places he'd probably be gone.

So here they are, my personal opinion is there's no way that Tony Skole and Lindsey Devine should have jobs. Hovering around .500 with only one conference title/NCAA appearance between them would get them fired ANYWHERE ELSE. Bartow's numbers are good enough that he bought himself one more year. Had the trend been that two straight losing seasons got you fired, then I could see the justification to have her "retire." Also, it's hard to believe that ETSU has won the All Sports Trophy all these times, but I guess Fred and Yaser's backs must be pretty sore from carrying that load.
Ultimately in the A-Sun, we've been a .500 athletic department in its' team sports, and only Heather Henson, Karen Kemp and Andrea Mangrum have been replaced.

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  With all the talk about firing/retiring coaches, replacing and cleaning house, I decided to actually look at the numbers. The last year of the SoCon to current day, how have the coaches done? Have they overachieved, underachieved or strived for mediocrity? Using the records published through media guides on etsubucs.com as well as some budget numbers I came across, I put together a spreadsheet checking records, average budget, NCAA appearances, conference titles, etc... I did not include invidual sports such as tennis, golf and track in this, simply because most of those athletes have individual instructors and it's not so much about coaching/strategy. If someone knows how to convert spreadsheets to .pdf, I'll post the spreadsheet too, if not, here we go.

Murry Bartow: 189-135 with a .583 winning percentage, Bartow has performed the best in the stick and ball sports with three NCAA tournaments, 2 other postseason apperances along with four conference titles. Along with that, comes 8 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons along with multiple off court incidents from DUI's to drugs. Along with this, comes the highest budget of any sport on campus, a budget that increased to almost 1.4 million dollars from 753K in 03-04.

Karen Kemp: 163-137 with a .543 winning percentage, Kemp comes in 2nd of the coaches who have been there more than two years. Four conference titles, three NCAA appearances as well as an NIT appearance. Kemp had six winning seasons compared to four losing seasons, and didn't have more than two straight losing records in what is the A-Sun era. Karen saw her budget increase from around 430K to over 900K in her last season. Zero off season incidents publicized.

Lindsey Devine: 165-154 for a .517 winning percentage. Until this past season, Devine was a below .500 coach. She has one NCAA appearance with her one conference title, five winning and five losing records having had consecutive losing seasons occur twice, including a 7-22 season in which she was not fired after. Her budget has increased by 211K dollars to be just over .500 and one championship that led to a bloodletting from Kentucky. Zero publicized off court issues, but there has been some great messageboard fodder over an alleged incident of someone not following protocol contacting players.

Tony Skole: 265-291 for an astounding .476 winning percentage. Skole has no NCAA apperances, as he's never won a conference title. Ever. Four winning seasons compared to six losing records, He's seen his budget MORE THAN DOUBLE in his time as the Bucs skipper. Officially he has had only one publicized incident where the players were ran until they laid on the field in their own puke, but there's been whispers over the years of an alleged incident that may or may not have occurred in the mid 2000's.

Andrea Mangrum: The fired ETSU softball coach finished up with a 126-161 record for a .439 percentage. No titles, no NCAA appearances and no facility other than playing softball games at the beer league park over by Science Hill. She did see a budget increase, and also in her time saw Dave and the Water Buffalo botch USA Softball coming to campus once she finally did get a stadium. She never had a winning season.

Brad Irwin: 26-71 - .268 in his short and probably soon to be ending time at ETSU. He has a facility, large enough budget and has yet to qualify for the conference tournament. I can't really add to this other than softball has actually gotten worse.

Heather Henson - 61-70-17 - Terminated without a conference title, NCAA appearance and only three winning seasons vs. five losing. Her teams classically underachieved.

Adam Sayers - 24-11-1, Sayers has really excelled in a short time in Johnson City. With a .667 winning percentage, he's already won a conference title but choked away the NCAA appearance. Jury is out here.

Scott Calabrese - 37-32-8, a winning record but not a winning percentage when you look that out of 77 games, he's only won 37. He does have a conference title and an NCAA appearance, but also has a great budget and facility to recruit to. Jury is out here, but in most places he'd probably be gone.

So here they are, my personal opinion is there's no way that Tony Skole and Lindsey Devine should have jobs. Hovering around .500 with only one conference title/NCAA appearance between them would get them fired ANYWHERE ELSE. Bartow's numbers are good enough that he bought himself one more year. Had the trend been that two straight losing seasons got you fired, then I could see the justification to have her "retire." Also, it's hard to believe that ETSU has won the All Sports Trophy all these times, but I guess Fred and Yaser's backs must be pretty sore from carrying that load.
Ultimately in the A-Sun, we've been a .500 athletic department in its' team sports, and only Heather Henson, Karen Kemp and Andrea Mangrum have been replaced.

I don't think you're putting these budgets into proper context. You have mentioned the increase in budgets, but not how bad those budgets were historically. Having a larger budget doesn't necessarily make you championship material if the budget increase merely brings you up to par for the conference. The most reasonable way to assess a budget is to compare it to the competition - the conference. The sports you cite do not have the largest budgets in the conference. Top half sure, and for the most part that's where they've finished. Also, when you look at baseball, softball, and soccer, their facilities were liabilities and a barrier to success before the new facilities. Volleyball also has a subpar facility, which is slightly better with renovations a few years ago. Judging their success in the old facilities equally with today is not reasonable. You also have overlooked the fact that its only been in the last five years that those sports had the NCAA limit for scholarships. I believe it is still at a 75/25 out of state/in state split for scholarships, so recruiting is still limited.

Now when you look at the sports that have been the most successful - tennis, golf, and track - they all have the highest budgets in the league (women's track being the exception. Jacksonville has easily the largest budget here because they only have women's track, no men's. They've won the league every year for as long as I can remember). Fred has raised the money for his program, so kudos to him. The womens golf team enjoys a healthy budget/coaches salary by simply being the counterpart to the men. Tennis has had a budget that is over double the second highest spending program in the league simply at the whim of Dave. It's my understanding that Sander and Noland were livid when thy found out how much was spent on tennis. This will probably change. We will see if Yaser can win with less. So, you can't really have the same expectations for all programs when they have different levels of support. You get what you pay for, and for the most part that is what the results have reflected. Softball being the exception. Irwin just hasn't improved the team at all. Also, Devine has a regular season conference championship as well as an additional championship game appearance. Early in her tenure, as was the same with other womens sports, the budgets were so bad that they slept four to a room on road trips. Expecting any coach in any of the sports to have won in that period is ridiculous.

As far as the all tournament trophy is concerned, the points are awarded based on regular season finishes. The fact that ETSU has won them shows that the programs generally compete near the top of the conference. Tournament championships as your evaluation method is extremely narrow when only one program wins each year. It's more difficult than most people realize especially with budget/facility challenges. And whether or not locals want to recognize it, recruiting 17 and 18 year old kids to Johnson City is not that easy. I think evaluation of program success is more complex and nuanced than you are allowing.

Low hangin fruit my man. You should probably give full disclosure that you work for them. By the way, 10 years, a .476 winning percentage for baseball and okay, two conference titles and a .517 with one postseason appearance. Every coach had facilities and money issues, once those two got money they still didn't excel like others have.
A wise man once told me that an excuse will carry you ZERO meters. ZERO. In your theory of Karen having all this time and needed to go, the same applies to Tony Skole, he's gotten his money to win and bottom line is HE HAS NOT PERFORMED. The record and number of championships is what it is, but make another excuse. Maybe he'll give you a hat and pat you on the head later.

In this new day, seems it would come with some risk to be working there and continue referencing, explaining, defending the Stanton-Mullins athletic model.

Lover- I'll bury the hatchet a bit- not bad work.

I would say this- Mangrum, to me, should not have been fired as I felt the previous administration was so athletically incompetent that every coach was in an impossible situation. Plus, if anything, the team has actually regressed, new stadium and all? The softball program has got to be a great embarassment.

Also, I will say that I felt the softball stadium was a waste of money. ETSU kept saying that the team deserved it because of their GPA, which was an absurd reason and akin to saying Vanderbilt should have a nicer football stadium than Tennessee. Would you rather that money have gone to restoring football or a stadium for a team nobody watches? Come on!

One thing about moving to the A-Sun- when the move was made the only sport that had a higher RPI index than the SoCon was softball. Therefore, it kind of made sense from a competitive standpoint in the Atlantic Sun to build the soccer stadium needed to fulfill conference requirements, then build the field for the one stronger sport, softball; and then a facility for the sport, baseball, that perhaps the A-Sun is best known for.

But that's the whole thing- who cares about competitiveness in the A-Sun?

In comparing Kemp and Skole, one must take into account that the A-Sun is a much better baseball conference than female basketball. You simply can't deny that ETSU's NCAA appearances in hoops- both men's and womens- were as much because of the conference as anything else; it is as undeniable as the 7-19 record in the final SoCon year and then instantly going to .500 and then a regular season conference title in the first two years in the A-Sun.

Also, in the A-Sun, ETSU will forever be destined to be a baseball afterthought. Tennessee ain't Florida when it comes to producing ballplayers. In fact, as proven before, Tennessee ain't much when it does come to producing baseball players.

I would say if the ETSU baseball team is free of scandal (and a hillbilly with a video camera- it counts as a hillbilly with a video camera- only in east Tennessee!) that should be considered as a plus for Skole.

This shouldn't be a total pardon for Skole's record, but let us just ask, realistically, how good the baseball team is going to be? National champions? Probably not. Conference champs? Gonna be few and far between a conference with so many Florida schools and, for that matter, Lipscomb. Might be different in the OVC, which for baseball would be akin to what moving to the A-Sun was for basketball.

Winning records, though? Yeah. I think we can ask for that.

But I'm digressing. The real reason that there have been so few coaches replaced is simple- Mullins and Stanton never wanted to have to admit publicly they did a bad job and the local media never called ETSU out on the carpet.

Think about this. You're a basketball coach. You inherit a turn key NCAA team. You go to the NCAAs and then find your point guard losing the first round game the same way he did the year before- which is not exactly good coaching.

Then, the following year, you go 7-19 against Division I schools.

At most schools you'd be fired and the athletic director would be forced to answer why he hired such a boob.

Here, they give the coach an extension and the local Honda dealer asks the AD to be their celebrity spokesman.

Only in east Tennessee, man. Only in east Tennessee.

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Murry Bartow: 189-135 with a .583 winning percentage, Bartow has performed the best in the stick and ball sports with three NCAA tournaments, 2 other postseason apperances along with four conference titles. Along with that, comes 8 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons along with multiple off court incidents from DUI's to drugs. Along with this, comes the highest budget of any sport on campus, a budget that increased to almost 1.4 million dollars from 753K in 03-04.

Since the title of the thread is A-Sun era, one of Bartow's NCAA appearances was in the SoCon (with a team he inherited).

(04-07-2013 12:33 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Murry Bartow: 189-135 with a .583 winning percentage, Bartow has performed the best in the stick and ball sports with three NCAA tournaments, 2 other postseason apperances along with four conference titles. Along with that, comes 8 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons along with multiple off court incidents from DUI's to drugs. Along with this, comes the highest budget of any sport on campus, a budget that increased to almost 1.4 million dollars from 753K in 03-04.

Since the title of the thread is A-Sun era, one of Bartow's NCAA appearances was in the SoCon (with a team he inherited).

Also my numbers are a bit different. I have him at a .569 winning percentage since joining the A-Sun against Div I opponents. Also
in since joining the A-Sun he has a winning percentage of .766 against the conference and only a .382 against all other Div I teams.
Last 2 years he is 25-36 overall, 19-20 Conference and 6-16 OCC. 1-11 OCC last year thanks to a miracle comback against Charleston Southern.

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Tony Skole: 265-291 for an astounding .476 winning percentage. Skole has no NCAA apperances, as he's never won a conference title. Ever. Four winning seasons compared to six losing records, He's seen his budget MORE THAN DOUBLE in his time as the Bucs skipper. Officially he has had only one publicized incident where the players were ran until they laid on the field in their own puke, but there's been whispers over the years of an alleged incident that may or may not have occurred in the mid 2000's.

His budget was awful to begin with, so the fact that it has doubled doesn't really say much. As I understand it, Skole had nowhere near his full compliment of scholarships until the mid-2000s. Granted, he has not gotten desirable results by any stretch and should probably be dismissed if the team can't win the conference tournament this year (or maybe next year if they make a great run in the tournament and fall short), but it's important to keep perspective when talking about money. Just because you have twice as much to spend as you did before doesn't mean you have as more than everyone else. Like, say, in the case of Lindsey Devine.

Quote:Adam Sayers - 24-11-1, Sayers has really excelled in a short time in Johnson City. With a .667 winning percentage, he's already won a conference title but choked away the NCAA appearance. Jury is out here.

Scott Calabrese - 37-32-8, a winning record but not a winning percentage when you look that out of 77 games, he's only won 37. He does have a conference title and an NCAA appearance, but also has a great budget and facility to recruit to. Jury is out here, but in most places he'd probably be gone.

Sayers is recruiting senior-level international talent (Sarah Zadrazil already has a couple of starts for Austria under her belt at 20), so he's probably going to stay as long as that trend continues and/or he doesn't get a better offer elsewhere. He still hasn't won a conference tournament game, but the team is more successful under him than it has ever been. They've never won 24 games over a two year stretch before, and the most games they've won over a three year stretch pre-Sayers is 25.

As for Calabrese, he has been to at least the conference semifinals each of the last four years, and the championship game twice. He has won 10 games (think of it as soccer's equivalent of basketball's 20 win mark) each of the last three years. He has also built this program from scratch and is the only coach we have who can regularly schedule ACC schools for home games. Very few schools would fire a coach like that. Maybe UConn or Indiana, but not ETSU. We certainly aren't about to find one better for the money.

(04-07-2013 12:19 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Lover- I'll bury the hatchet a bit- not bad work.

I would say this- Mangrum, to me, should not have been fired as I felt the previous administration was so athletically incompetent that every coach was in an impossible situation. Plus, if anything, the team has actually regressed, new stadium and all? The softball program has got to be a great embarassment.

Also, I will say that I felt the softball stadium was a waste of money. ETSU kept saying that the team deserved it because of their GPA, which was an absurd reason and akin to saying Vanderbilt should have a nicer football stadium than Tennessee. Would you rather that money have gone to restoring football or a stadium for a team nobody watches? Come on!

One thing about moving to the A-Sun- when the move was made the only sport that had a higher RPI index than the SoCon was softball. Therefore, it kind of made sense from a competitive standpoint in the Atlantic Sun to build the soccer stadium needed to fulfill conference requirements, then build the field for the one stronger sport, softball; and then a facility for the sport, baseball, that perhaps the A-Sun is best known for.

But that's the whole thing- who cares about competitiveness in the A-Sun?

In comparing Kemp and Skole, one must take into account that the A-Sun is a much better baseball conference than female basketball. You simply can't deny that ETSU's NCAA appearances in hoops- both men's and womens- were as much because of the conference as anything else; it is as undeniable as the 7-19 record in the final SoCon year and then instantly going to .500 and then a regular season conference title in the first two years in the A-Sun.

Also, in the A-Sun, ETSU will forever be destined to be a baseball afterthought. Tennessee ain't Florida when it comes to producing ballplayers. In fact, as proven before, Tennessee ain't much when it does come to producing baseball players.

I would say if the ETSU baseball team is free of scandal (and a hillbilly with a video camera- it counts as a hillbilly with a video camera- only in east Tennessee!) that should be considered as a plus for Skole.

This shouldn't be a total pardon for Skole's record, but let us just ask, realistically, how good the baseball team is going to be? National champions? Probably not. Conference champs? Gonna be few and far between a conference with so many Florida schools and, for that matter, Lipscomb. Might be different in the OVC, which for baseball would be akin to what moving to the A-Sun was for basketball.

Winning records, though? Yeah. I think we can ask for that.

Mangrum was fired as much for her treatment of her players as her losing record. Her teams did not like her at all. She made them miserable. They voiced their complaints and after several years of a consistent complaints, ombind with her record, she was fired. She also was pretty outspoken about not wanting any gay player on her team. That is not going to help you keep a job.

You also make a good point about baseball in the ASun - easily one of, if not the best sports in the league. That was sort of my point about a broad evaluation method. Programs aren't equal because the league isn't equally competitive in all sport. Some coaches have a bigger challenge than others. That said, it is reasonable to expect a winning record from baseball. A conference championship would be a stretch goal in my opinion.

(04-07-2013 03:30 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Tony Skole: 265-291 for an astounding .476 winning percentage. Skole has no NCAA apperances, as he's never won a conference title. Ever. Four winning seasons compared to six losing records, He's seen his budget MORE THAN DOUBLE in his time as the Bucs skipper. Officially he has had only one publicized incident where the players were ran until they laid on the field in their own puke, but there's been whispers over the years of an alleged incident that may or may not have occurred in the mid 2000's.

His budget was awful to begin with, so the fact that it has doubled doesn't really say much. As I understand it, Skole had nowhere near his full compliment of scholarships until the mid-2000s. Granted, he has not gotten desirable results by any stretch and should probably be dismissed if the team can't win the conference tournament this year (or maybe next year if they make a great run in the tournament and fall short), but it's important to keep perspective when talking about money. Just because you have twice as much to spend as you did before doesn't mean you have as more than everyone else. Like, say, in the case of Lindsey Devine.

Quote:Adam Sayers - 24-11-1, Sayers has really excelled in a short time in Johnson City. With a .667 winning percentage, he's already won a conference title but choked away the NCAA appearance. Jury is out here.

Scott Calabrese - 37-32-8, a winning record but not a winning percentage when you look that out of 77 games, he's only won 37. He does have a conference title and an NCAA appearance, but also has a great budget and facility to recruit to. Jury is out here, but in most places he'd probably be gone.

Sayers is recruiting senior-level international talent (Sarah Zadrazil already has a couple of starts for Austria under her belt at 20), so he's probably going to stay as long as that trend continues and/or he doesn't get a better offer elsewhere. He still hasn't won a conference tournament game, but the team is more successful under him than it has ever been. They've never won 24 games over a two year stretch before, and the most games they've won over a three year stretch pre-Sayers is 25.

As for Calabrese, he has been to at least the conference semifinals each of the last four years, and the championship game twice. He has won 10 games (think of it as soccer's equivalent of basketball's 20 win mark) each of the last three years. He has also built this program from scratch and is the only coach we have who can regularly schedule ACC schools for home games. Very few schools would fire a coach like that. Maybe UConn or Indiana, but not ETSU. We certainly aren't about to find one better for the money.

Yep, Lover is he only one who would say that here two aren't performing well enough. Both coaches are doing a great job. Soccer is also a good sport for the ASun. You have multiple teams that are regionally ranked. A soccer championship is a more impressive accomplishment than a tennis championship because of the competition. Of course Lover calls soccer communist kickball, so I do not expect objectivity there.

(04-07-2013 06:52 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Low hangin fruit my man. You should probably give full disclosure that you work for them. By the way, 10 years, a .476 winning percentage for baseball and okay, two conference titles and a .517 with one postseason appearance. Every coach had facilities and money issues, once those two got money they still didn't excel like others have.
A wise man once told me that an excuse will carry you ZERO meters. ZERO. In your theory of Karen having all this time and needed to go, the same applies to Tony Skole, he's gotten his money to win and bottom line is HE HAS NOT PERFORMED. The record and number of championships is what it is, but make another excuse. Maybe he'll give you a hat and pat you on the head later.

My response to you is, what would be a reasonable expectation for these coaches and why? The why is key for me. Any average joe can say that all teams should contend for a championship, give me evidence of the resources in place to make that a reality. I don't see that as a realistic expectation for all teams. That's like saying Ole Miss is underperforming because they haven't challenged Alabama for a conference championship. They may be in the same conference, but the field is far from level. This is similar in every conference. There the haves and the have nots. ETSU is not necessarily a have across the board.

And I don't work there, but I wouldn't mind a hat...

(04-07-2013 12:33 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(04-06-2013 07:23 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Murry Bartow: 189-135 with a .583 winning percentage, Bartow has performed the best in the stick and ball sports with three NCAA tournaments, 2 other postseason apperances along with four conference titles. Along with that, comes 8 winning seasons, 2 losing seasons along with multiple off court incidents from DUI's to drugs. Along with this, comes the highest budget of any sport on campus, a budget that increased to almost 1.4 million dollars from 753K in 03-04.

Since the title of the thread is A-Sun era, one of Bartow's NCAA appearances was in the SoCon (with a team he inherited).

I should've been more clear, by A-Sun era the meaning is the time we knew that the SoCon was no longer an option.

(04-07-2013 08:13 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  In this new day, seems it would come with some risk to be working there and continue referencing, explaining, defending the Stanton-Mullins athletic model.

I am not shocked at all by LetsGoBucs defending them and making excuses here. Not in the least.

My expectation is consistency and winning. You've made excuses about the A-Sun being tough in baseball, no money yada yada yada. The only sport that was really funded well that's a stick and ball sport was men's basketball until football was dropped. Every sport benefitted from football getting cut, yet the only stick and ball sports that won were men's and women's basketball. We just "retired" the women's coach when the baseball coach has been on the job 14 years and hasn't won anything. Stop telling me about the labor, show me the damn baby. Bottom line, .476 winning percentage since the funding started to increase. Anywhere else in Division I and Tony Skole is the most popular history teacher at Wise County Central High School, same with Devine. They both saw the funding increases to help them compete, and we've bottom line had MEDIOCRITY. All the excuses in the world, better competition, facilities, whatever cannot excuse a losing record as a head coach and being on the job for 14 years, not when they fired someone else for the same deal.
So yea, they've got the money to win, and have been mediocre. I expect more as a fan, hell we rail on Bartow on here all the time and he's won at a much greater clip than Skole and Devine.
As for Sayers, he's been there two years, so yea, the jury is out on him. If he continues down his path, he won't be around long.
As for Calabrese yea he's won more than he's lost but at what cost? Like I said, the jury is out.
The comments have nothing to do with my personal feelings for soccer but based strictly on numbers.

And LetsGo, I'm sure if you keep telling the previous regime how great they are sniff their butt some more, they'll give you a hat, and if you're really nice you'll get some Little Caesar's pizza and stale cookies.