(04-05-2013 04:22 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 04:12 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 02:27 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 02:25 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 01:28 PM)brista21 Wrote:  Read his letter of resignation.

Not that you care, but I hope you understand that my position on this is not reflective of the University in general. I do like Rutgers.

I understand that. I'm probably even more furious at the situation than anybody from the outside. I just feel a need to stick up for my school.

Most everyone in this thread IS sticking up for your school. We're just not interested in protecting the people who abused young people or the people who facilitated said abuse.

This is NOT a Rutgers University issue, it's a Mike Rice, Jimmy Martelli and Tim Pernetti issue.

As for Martelli, the smallest fish in all of this, as I have warned you all repeatedly, never trust a grown man who goes with a child's nickname. It held true in the case of Bobby Petrino and it is true of Jimmy Martelli as well. As a rule, I do not trust men who do that.

And I've stuck up for Pernetti who I do believe acted in good faith. Ultimately it was impossible to move on with him I'll concede that. And I've continuously voiced my disapproval with Martelli and Rice and have agreed they should have been fired back in December when the school initially acted (publicly mind you) on this.

Yes, they moved publicly but covered up what they were moving on. Sort of takes the fun out of the spectacle when you don't tell anyone what the suspension is for.

Fire the Rutgers Pres. The AD Tim Pernetti didn't do anything wrong. He is being used as a scapegoat. Mr. Pernetti is an excellent AD. A big University will hire him very soon.

Besides receiving poor/incomplete advice from counsel, I would also fault counsel for presumably approving a contract that didn't provide for termination with such detrimental behavior. Or perhaps it's the norm for it to be nearly impossible to fire a coach for cause?

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

(04-05-2013 09:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

The prez failed to act on a tip by Paterno, after the fact. Seems the same to me. Grabbing a kid by the arm and screaming is nothing new, but that looked pretty bad on video. I call it assault...

(04-05-2013 09:17 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

The prez failed to act on a tip by Paterno, after the fact. Seems the same to me. Grabbing a kid by the arm and screaming is nothing new, but that looked pretty bad on video. I call it assault...

Comparisons to PSU are ridiculous, but let's start with the primary statement "What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?" In the RU case, the Prez DID act. Rice was suspended, required to take counseling and required to have a monitor at all future practices to ensure the protection of the players. While it is understandable that people think he should have been fired and not allowed to continue in his job, to say that nobody acted is flat out wrong. The actions were immediately disclosed and action was taken. If you read the December press descriptions of what Rice was doing, it was fully disclosed back then that he was throwing basketballs at players, using abusive language etc. There was no cover up at all and while you may disagree with the action taken, you are wrong to say the Prez and school didn't act.

(04-05-2013 09:17 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

The prez failed to act on a tip by Paterno, after the fact. Seems the same to me. Grabbing a kid by the arm and screaming is nothing new, but that looked pretty bad on video. I call it assault...

Jay Bilas, a practicing attorney, also called it assault . . . and battery.

(04-05-2013 09:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

It may be apples and oranges. But if the fruit is rotten, you chuck it out of the barrel, or the whole barrel goes bad. That's a universal for all fruit...

(04-06-2013 07:36 AM)RMSko Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:17 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:03 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-05-2013 09:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If you fire Pernetti you've also got to fire the RU prez IMO.

He sure sounds like a nutcase right now on ESPN News. Just now watched the video? Are you kidding me? What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?

apples and oranges

you can't compare allowing a pedophile to rape children to allowing a basketball coach to abuse his players

coaches have been abusing players for decades and it's only now that they're being called out for it

The prez failed to act on a tip by Paterno, after the fact. Seems the same to me. Grabbing a kid by the arm and screaming is nothing new, but that looked pretty bad on video. I call it assault...

Comparisons to PSU are ridiculous, but let's start with the primary statement "What happened to the Penn State prez for not acting?" In the RU case, the Prez DID act. Rice was suspended, required to take counseling and required to have a monitor at all future practices to ensure the protection of the players. While it is understandable that people think he should have been fired and not allowed to continue in his job, to say that nobody acted is flat out wrong. The actions were immediately disclosed and action was taken. If you read the December press descriptions of what Rice was doing, it was fully disclosed back then that he was throwing basketballs at players, using abusive language etc. There was no cover up at all and while you may disagree with the action taken, you are wrong to say the Prez and school didn't act.

It was my understanding that the AD suspended the coach, not the prez, but if I am incorrect I apologize. The fact remains that the prez just recently viewed the video, which is ridiculous. It totally looks likes it was all put off until the end of the BB season. The actions of a very few should not reflect upon Rutgers as a whole, as it is a great institution...

(04-05-2013 08:03 PM)MrP3242 Wrote:  Fire the Rutgers Pres. The AD Tim Pernetti didn't do anything wrong. He is being used as a scapegoat. Mr. Pernetti is an excellent AD. A big University will hire him very soon.

Not that we are big but I hope our new President gives him a call.

http://www.app.com/assets/pdf/B320344045...11227930=1

Here's the report from the outside counsel that investigated the incident.

July 11, 2012 - Murdock's attorney claims Murdock wrongfully terminated for "inquiries and discussions with others" about Rice's conduct
November 26, 2012 - Murdock & his attorney meet with Pernetti and provide DVD with video clips showing misconduct
November 27, 2012 - outside counsel was hired to investigate

Here's the conclusions of the report:

1. It was not a "hostile work environment" in regards to any discriminatory activity - he was pretty equal in his treatment of his players - and nobody had lodged a complaint, despite the fact that the practices were "open" to many other people.
2. Players said his rough practice behavior showed that Rice "cared" about them and wanted to make them "comfortable" with the "chaos" of a basketball game, or that he was joking. But even other members of the staff agreed that the goal of providing a physical practice could have been done via other methods.
3. Rice was previously counseled by Pernetti about his treatment of others. His behavior got better afterwards.
4. Rice failed to disclose certain actions when initially questioned by Pernetti in July. After watching the DVD, Rice was sorry.
5. Rice allowed certain actions that were NCAA violations: allowing Murdock to coach, and attending off-season workouts. Murdock also alleged that he (Murdock) paid some players, but refused to name who they were.
6. Murdock wasn't fired by Rice, but rather by Pernetti. Murdock never notified Pernetti of any misconduct by Rice in July, as alleged.

So basically, even back then everyone seemed to acknowledge that the actions were wrong, but because it wasn't discriminatory, because the players (or anyone else) didn't complain about it, and because Rice had changed his behavior, it was ok.

The report even mentioned that the physical abuse "crossed the line" and such actions constituted harrassment or intimidation within Rutgers' Policy and that it was reasonable that Pernetti could "determine that Coach Rice's actions tended to embarrass and bring shame or disgrace to Rutgers in violation of Coach Rice's employment contract with Rutgers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/sports...ef=sports&

This NY Times story agrees with my post above. Rutgers' outside counsel investigation was only focused on determining Rutgers' legal risk from wrongful termination and/or hostile work environment lawsuits, not whether or not Rice could be fired. The report clearly indicated that he could.