(03-31-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?

http://boards.caazone.com/showthread.php...-moving-up

Delaware simply isn't going to move to a league like the Sun Belt, which doesn't offer the academics or sports that UD wants to be associated with. Could see it having much more consideration for the MAC or CUSA. Sports like M&W Lacrosse, Field Hockey, and as well as M&W swimming will have to have a home. I viewed the statement as a not so subtle slam on the Sun Belt, not on FBS. Delaware views itself as more like a UMass, or somewhat delusionally, a UConn.

Montana has been dealing with ongoing legal issues with players and rules violations (referring players to lawyers) with the NCAA. Until that is behind them, they won't move up. In addition, Montana State is generally considered tied to them, and Montana St has debt to pay off for its stadium addition. Montana St doesn't want a move up yet either. Both schools would need to add sports to get to the 16 required.

(03-31-2013 03:28 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?

http://boards.caazone.com/showthread.php...-moving-up

Delaware simply isn't going to move to a league like the Sun Belt, which doesn't offer the academics or sports that UD wants to be associated with. Could see it having much more consideration for the MAC or CUSA. Sports like M&W Lacrosse, Field Hockey, and as well as M&W swimming will have to have a home.

Montana has been dealing with ongoing legal issues with players and rules violations (referring players to lawyers) with the NCAA. Until that is behind them, they won't move up. In addition, Montana State is generally considered tied to them, and Montana St has debt to pay off for its stadium addition. Montana St doesn't want a move up yet either. Both schools would need to add sports to get to the 16 required.

Thanks for the link. That's some interesting comments coming from their AD.

16 teams in a competitive league like Conf USA is going to make recruiting a very intense business. Even without adding teams to make it to 16, I will be interested to see how teams will cope. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Marshall relies heavily on Florida recruits. I think WKU does as well. With FIU and FAU moving to Conf USA, they now have better sales pitch to make to Florida recruits in their own back yard. I do not know how much MTSU or UNT rely on Florida for recruiting. All of this is going to make for some very interesting recruiting seasons for Conf USA. If I was a school president, I would think long and hard before I invited any more teams to Conf USA. Just my opinion.

(03-31-2013 02:11 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  Football (and Basketball?) East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - MTSU% - F_U - UAB* - USM^

Football (and Basketball?) West
UTEP* - UTSA - UNT - Rice - WKU% - La Tech^ - F_U

*,^,% and _ indicate permanent rivals (doesn't matter which F_U goes where). The other 3 can mix-match however they want. This maximizes Florida and Texas exposure for both divisions (with 4 teams in Texas the East is guaranteed to play in Texas 2/3rds of the seasons). The F_U western school becomes something of a UTEP-like outpost, but Miami airport is equipped for that, and the distance isn't a huge change.

Miami to Ruston: 881 mi
Miami to Houston: 965 mi

Miami to Huntington: 883 mi
Miami to Norfolk: 799 mi

UTEP is a challenge, but it isn't much different than putting UAB and USM in the west.

Miami to El Paso: 1640 mi
Birmingham to El Paso: 1151 mi
Hattiesburg to El Paso: 1012 mi

It's about 500 to 600 more miles for F_U, but this way only one outlier makes that trip instead of two outliers. Maybe a travel stipend can be put together by the conference, but in the end it might be cheaper flying Southwest Airlines from Miami to major Texas metropolitans anyways.

East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - MTSU - WKU - FAU - FIU

West
UAB - USM - La Tech - Rice - UNT - UTSA - UTEP

This is a tighter driving trip for everyone except USM and UAB. I would argue for a 3 pod system for the Olympic sports using affiliate members where possible.

West
Rice - UNT - UTSA - UTEP - 2 Affiliate Members (Dallas Baptist, Colorado College,etc)

Central
La Tech - USM - UAB - MTSU - WKU

East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - FAU - FIU

Remember, not all schools field teams for all sports (ex: Baseball, Soccer)

If (and that is a big if) I was going pods for BB I would add Wichita St & Oral Roberts in the west. Northern Kentucky to the central for the Cincy market. and college of Charleston for the east. Adding 3 new states and the Cincy crowd.

I'm good with staying at 14 with UAB & Southern Miss going west with the right to pick one FL team and other team in the east as permanent partners.

If we go to 16 for personal reasons I hope it's either Georgia St or Liberty for the east. Georgia St. gets us into the Atlanta market for recruits & Liberty fills in the gap between OD & Marshall giving us a bus ride and they recruit a different type of player than Charlotte will.

(03-31-2013 01:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I honestly don't care anymore. I just want to beat the everloving dogshit out of whoever has the bad sense to step on the field with us.

I absolutely don't care who it is anymore.

+ 1

I like the way you think!

(03-31-2013 03:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  16 teams in a competitive league like Conf USA is going to make recruiting a very intense business. Even without adding teams to make it to 16, I will be interested to see how teams will cope. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Marshall relies heavily on Florida recruits. I think WKU does as well. With FIU and FAU moving to Conf USA, they now have better sales pitch to make to Florida recruits in their own back yard. I do not know how much MTSU or UNT rely on Florida for recruiting. All of this is going to make for some very interesting recruiting seasons for Conf USA. If I was a school president, I would think long and hard before I invited any more teams to Conf USA. Just my opinion.

It varies from year to year but generally speaking half the roster comes from Florida and Georgia. The other half of the roster comes from the other 48 states.

(03-31-2013 11:17 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  [quote='Maryland Monarch' pid='9177531' dateline='1364742552']

As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

That's the way it should be. But Southern Miss (and UAB) are the only schools in which Britain Banowsky had nothing to do with bringing into C-USA. And from the way I've seen Banowsky operate the last year, your charter status may bring you the precise opposite treatment from which you deserve.

^^^^ DING DING DING, this guy knows ole Brit don't he

(03-31-2013 02:44 PM)DrBox Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 02:19 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  Outside the box and not even sure if it'll work --- plus I've been driving since 5:00 a.m.....

it seems that the only divisional issue is UAB/USM. Just move USM west and play UAB every year and twice in basketball. You lose Marshall but gain regular games against La Tech and c-usa holdovers Rice and UTEP. Marshall still gets UAB and coveted game in south Fla every year. UAB gets Marshall and USM. Rice and UTEP get a regular game with USM.

Wouldn't a north south arrangement do this better than a east west?

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:09 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think the powers that be have to consider a few points before further expansion:

1. Who is available? What value would they add to the conference? A school like Ohio would seem to be a great add (although I realize that's highly unlikely). A school with a mediocre fan base and/or record of success...not so much.
2. Will the reduction in TV money/school be offset by a reduction in travel costs from more compact East/West divisions? Or will it at least be close to offsetting the TV money reduction?
3. Which division is acceptable to USM? If moving west is intolerable to them, it would create problems. If they're ambivalent, then that would be the easiest solution.

I would love to keep at least UAB in the East to re-establish rivalries with ODU, Charlotte and WKU (and create new ones with MTSU). I think that would be in the league's best interest long term. Likewise, I would love to keep USM in the East, but I understand that may not be possible.

I agree with previous posters that the Florida twins have to stay together, probably in the East. Culturally, I think that's the best fit. I also think we would look really stupid with 2 Florida schools in the West division. Kind of like SDSU being in the "Big East."

As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

UAB is a founding member. We even came up with the name

(03-31-2013 05:28 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:09 AM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think the powers that be have to consider a few points before further expansion:

1. Who is available? What value would they add to the conference? A school like Ohio would seem to be a great add (although I realize that's highly unlikely). A school with a mediocre fan base and/or record of success...not so much.
2. Will the reduction in TV money/school be offset by a reduction in travel costs from more compact East/West divisions? Or will it at least be close to offsetting the TV money reduction?
3. Which division is acceptable to USM? If moving west is intolerable to them, it would create problems. If they're ambivalent, then that would be the easiest solution.

I would love to keep at least UAB in the East to re-establish rivalries with ODU, Charlotte and WKU (and create new ones with MTSU). I think that would be in the league's best interest long term. Likewise, I would love to keep USM in the East, but I understand that may not be possible.

I agree with previous posters that the Florida twins have to stay together, probably in the East. Culturally, I think that's the best fit. I also think we would look really stupid with 2 Florida schools in the West division. Kind of like SDSU being in the "Big East."

As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

UAB is a founding member. We even came up with the name

Honestly, with everything that has happened, is that really something you want on your résumé?

(03-31-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?

Delaware Article

This is a preview of UD women's sweet 16. But The comments of the AD are on the 3rd page.

Here is his quote:

Quote:Two FCS football powers, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State, announced last week they’re planning a move to the FBS Sun Belt Conference.

“When you get back to that equation of what are you “moving up” to, you have to really look at what you’re moving up to,” said Ziady, hired as Delaware AD in November after a long stint at ACC member Boston College. “We’re not [receiving] offers from the ACC or the Big Ten. Everybody’s emailing me about what Georgia Southern and Appalachian State are doing. That’s not moving up. It’s a designation that signifies you’re moving up but you’re not moving up.’’

The guy is from Boston College and sounds like an elitist or someone out of touch on how everthing but the ACC works.

(03-31-2013 06:52 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?

Delaware Article

This is a preview of UD women's sweet 16. But The comments of the AD are on the 3rd page.

Here is his quote:

Quote:Two FCS football powers, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State, announced last week they’re planning a move to the FBS Sun Belt Conference.

“When you get back to that equation of what are you “moving up” to, you have to really look at what you’re moving up to,” said Ziady, hired as Delaware AD in November after a long stint at ACC member Boston College. “We’re not [receiving] offers from the ACC or the Big Ten. Everybody’s emailing me about what Georgia Southern and Appalachian State are doing. That’s not moving up. It’s a designation that signifies you’re moving up but you’re not moving up.’’

The guy is from Boston College and sounds like an elitist or someone out of touch on how everthing but the ACC works.

We fired ours...this guy sounds just like that sumbitch.

(03-31-2013 05:28 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

UAB is a founding member. We even came up with the name

C-USA started playing football in 1996. UAB would not start playing football as a member till 1999.
Technically, UAB is a charter member, but USM is the sole survivor of the original football conference members.

(03-31-2013 10:08 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:28 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

UAB is a founding member. We even came up with the name

C-USA started playing football in 1996. UAB would not start playing football as a member till 1999.
Technically, UAB is a charter member, but USM is the sole survivor of the original football conference members.

but the tribe keeps voting us out

(03-31-2013 10:19 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:08 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 05:28 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:14 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  As the lone remaining charter member of C-USA that has always been in the conference, Southern Miss should get its choice of division placement. If we want to be in the East, we should be in the East.

UAB is a founding member. We even came up with the name

C-USA started playing football in 1996. UAB would not start playing football as a member till 1999.
Technically, UAB is a charter member, but USM is the sole survivor of the original football conference members.

but the tribe keeps voting us out

It's like reverse survivor, the last one left is viewed as the loser.

(03-31-2013 06:52 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 03:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?

Delaware Article

This is a preview of UD women's sweet 16. But The comments of the AD are on the 3rd page.

Here is his quote:

Quote:Two FCS football powers, Georgia Southern and Appalachian State, announced last week they’re planning a move to the FBS Sun Belt Conference.

“When you get back to that equation of what are you “moving up” to, you have to really look at what you’re moving up to,” said Ziady, hired as Delaware AD in November after a long stint at ACC member Boston College. “We’re not [receiving] offers from the ACC or the Big Ten. Everybody’s emailing me about what Georgia Southern and Appalachian State are doing. That’s not moving up. It’s a designation that signifies you’re moving up but you’re not moving up.’’

The guy is from Boston College and sounds like an elitist or someone out of touch on how everthing but the ACC works.

Talk about very out of touch.

Wouldn't surprise me if Delaware made a push to the Patriot.

WTS there are several very bitter ADs in the CAA right now. No telling what happens there but more than likely, status quo.

The divisions are likely for football only, and there is nothing wrong with the geographical split. It's the same as the SEC's divisional split. UAB (Bama/Aub) in the West and MT/WKU (Vandy/Tenn/UK) in the East.

Going to 16 would be bad for every C-USA university including UAB and Southern Miss. There certainly are no football schools that would add any value to C-USA. Additions would only serve to reduce everyone's conference distribution.

Besides, Georgia $tate and Texas $tate are most likely the next two schools on Banowksy's list if C-USA gets raided again, not ArkSt or ULL.

(03-31-2013 04:08 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  I'm good with staying at 14 with UAB & Southern Miss going west with the right to pick one FL team and other team in the east as permanent partners.

If we go to 16 for personal reasons I hope it's either Georgia St or Liberty for the east. Georgia St. gets us into the Atlanta market for recruits & Liberty fills in the gap between OD & Marshall giving us a bus ride and they recruit a different type of player than Charlotte will.

Shoot me now

(03-31-2013 11:36 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:07 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 09:28 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Here's the problem with going to 16. There are two and they are both revenue based.

1. There is no one else that can be added that's going to allow the per team annual TV value to remain the same. If you're old guard you've already seen your TV revenue reduced by about $150,000.

2. The playoff revenue distribution is going to be done by conference not by team so the more teams you have the less each team will get. There is absolutely no circumstance that warrants additional adds. Frankly and though I admit Western was the logical choice to be added I would have been ok with staying at 13. Hell, Southern Miss may announce they're leaving next and by continuing to add all we do is ensure we're going to have to keep adding when someone else leaves but it's also going to reduce revenue. And revenue is one of the reasons we have been striving to be in this league.

So if you're old guard why do you want to continue to see your revenues decline and if your the newbie you're looking around saying wait a minute why would we continue to take actions that undermine the reason we came here in the first place?

Not necessarily. The method of distribution is up to the Gang of Five. The latest rumor is that each team in the Go5 will get $1 million and the remainder of the money will be divided between the conferences based on competitiveness. The #1 conference will get more than the #2 conference which will get more than the #3 conference, etc.

Only if you think we're not going to be better than the MAC and Sun Belt already. If we're already going to be better then it doesn't make sense to add just to weaken a league that's already going to be weaker than us. Even under this model we're going to get the same amount if we're just a little bit better than we would if we were immensely better.

The larger the margin of error, the better.