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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

This. All 16 teams are going to do is decrease revenue, & increase the chances of an airport meeting.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

Personally I like Arkansas State and ULL. I think they would be solid adds.

BUT. There is wisdom in waiting (now that we're in 03-shhhh). Some of the newbies that the Sun Belt is adding may turn out to be power houses.

If CUSA wants to go to 16 then it should wait a few years and see how it goes.
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going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
The MT - WKU pissing matches are making that West division look better. Bring it on, Rice!
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 01:00 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

Personally I like Arkansas State and ULL. I think they would be solid adds.

BUT. There is wisdom in waiting (now that we're in 03-shhhh). Some of the newbies that the Sun Belt is adding may turn out to be power houses.

If CUSA wants to go to 16 then it should wait a few years and see how it goes.

Et tu Brute? 03-no
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
My 14 Team Alignment

West
- Louisiana Tech
- UTSA
- North Texas
- UTEP
- Rice
- USM
- UAB

East
- FIU
- FAU
- ODU
- Marshall
- Middle Tennessee
- UNCC
- Western Kentucky

USM and UAB in the west keeps them with long term conference mates UTEP and Rice. UTEP and UAB can keep a basketball rivalry alive and the USM and Tech rivalry can be held every year. In the east, Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee can keep their 100 Miles of Hate alive and Marshall keeps its games in Florida for recruiting. Also, the west is mainly Texas and lower south schools and the east is teams from Florida and the upper south. I'm sure this alignment has been mentioned before but this is just how I see everything working out best both geographically and culturally.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 01:27 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  My 14 Team Alignment

West
- Louisiana Tech
- UTSA
- North Texas
- UTEP
- Rice
- USM
- UAB

East
- FIU
- FAU
- ODU
- Marshall
- Middle Tennessee
- UNCC
- Western Kentucky

USM and UAB in the west keeps them with long term conference mates UTEP and Rice. UTEP and UAB can keep a basketball rivalry alive and the USM and Tech rivalry can be held every year. In the east, Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee can keep their 100 Miles of Hate alive and Marshall keeps its games in Florida for recruiting. Also, the west is mainly Texas and lower south schools and the east is teams from Florida and the upper south. I'm sure this alignment has been mentioned before but this is just how I see everything working out best both geographically and culturally.

Winner! We can't have everything we want, but that makes the most sense. As long as UAB and Tech are playing us every year in fb and twice in hoops, I am okay with it.
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I honestly don't care anymore. I just want to beat the everloving dogshit out of whoever has the bad sense to step on the field with us.

I absolutely don't care who it is anymore.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 01:12 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:00 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

Personally I like Arkansas State and ULL. I think they would be solid adds.

BUT. There is wisdom in waiting (now that we're in 03-shhhh). Some of the newbies that the Sun Belt is adding may turn out to be power houses.

If CUSA wants to go to 16 then it should wait a few years and see how it goes.

Et tu Brute? 03-no

I think StAte should be added immediately. ULL, I could care less about.
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Re: RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 01:12 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:00 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

Personally I like Arkansas State and ULL. I think they would be solid adds.

BUT. There is wisdom in waiting (now that we're in :shhhh:). Some of the newbies that the Sun Belt is adding may turn out to be power houses.

If CUSA wants to go to 16 then it should wait a few years and see how it goes.

Et tu Brute? :no:

Let the CUSA folks have their membership discussions. They are entitled to their opinions about their own conference.

If something incorrect is said about stAte then we can chime in.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
(03-31-2013 01:27 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  My 14 Team Alignment

West
- Louisiana Tech
- UTSA
- North Texas
- UTEP
- Rice
- USM
- UAB

East
- FIU
- FAU
- ODU
- Marshall
- Middle Tennessee
- UNCC
- Western Kentucky

USM and UAB in the west keeps them with long term conference mates UTEP and Rice. UTEP and UAB can keep a basketball rivalry alive and the USM and Tech rivalry can be held every year. In the east, Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee can keep their 100 Miles of Hate alive and Marshall keeps its games in Florida for recruiting. Also, the west is mainly Texas and lower south schools and the east is teams from Florida and the upper south. I'm sure this alignment has been mentioned before but this is just how I see everything working out best both geographically and culturally.

That is about as good as it can get for UTEP. I can live with that CUSA-West line up.
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
Football (and Basketball?) East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - MTSU% - F_U - UAB* - USM^

Football (and Basketball?) West
UTEP* - UTSA - UNT - Rice - WKU% - La Tech^ - F_U

*,^,% and _ indicate permanent rivals (doesn't matter which F_U goes where). The other 3 can mix-match however they want. This maximizes Florida and Texas exposure for both divisions (with 4 teams in Texas the East is guaranteed to play in Texas 2/3rds of the seasons). The F_U western school becomes something of a UTEP-like outpost, but Miami airport is equipped for that, and the distance isn't a huge change.

Miami to Ruston: 881 mi
Miami to Houston: 965 mi

Miami to Huntington: 883 mi
Miami to Norfolk: 799 mi

UTEP is a challenge, but it isn't much different than putting UAB and USM in the west.

Miami to El Paso: 1640 mi
Birmingham to El Paso: 1151 mi
Hattiesburg to El Paso: 1012 mi

It's about 500 to 600 more miles for F_U, but this way only one outlier makes that trip instead of two outliers. Maybe a travel stipend can be put together by the conference, but in the end it might be cheaper flying Southwest Airlines from Miami to major Texas metropolitans anyways.

East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - MTSU - WKU - FAU - FIU

West
UAB - USM - La Tech - Rice - UNT - UTSA - UTEP

This is a tighter driving trip for everyone except USM and UAB. I would argue for a 3 pod system for the Olympic sports using affiliate members where possible.

West
Rice - UNT - UTSA - UTEP - 2 Affiliate Members (Dallas Baptist, Colorado College,etc)

Central
La Tech - USM - UAB - MTSU - WKU

East
Marshall - ODU - Charlotte - FAU - FIU

Remember, not all schools field teams for all sports (ex: Baseball, Soccer)
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2013 02:12 PM by GreenMississippi.)
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RE: going to 16 would be good for UAB and USM
Outside the box and not even sure if it'll work --- plus I've been driving since 5:00 a.m.....

4 pods.....1 ("your" pod, 2, 3 and 4)

3 games in "your" pod
3 games in pod 2
1 game in pod 3
1 game in pod 4

After 2 years ... "home and home in the other pods", .....

3 games in "your" pod
1 game in pod 2
3 games in pod 3
1 game in pod 4

Then, swap again

3 games in "your" pod
1 game in pod 2
1 game in pod 3
3 games in pod 4

I don't know if it'll even work out but "outside the box" is what will make this conference more interesting and more forgiving of future defections.....while not playing everyone every year as in a 9 team conference it does put you playing more conference mates on a more regular basis.

Championship game??? That's simple - the two pods in which you play 3 games in any given year is your division --- 1st two years pods 1 and 2 are a "division"....next two years pods 1 and 3 are a "division".
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(03-31-2013 01:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I honestly don't care anymore. I just want to beat the everloving dogshit out of whoever has the bad sense to step on the field with us.

I absolutely don't care who it is anymore.

Takin' us back to USM old skool ways. I'm with you on this. I'm am sick of it and will do everything I can to promote that arse whoopin'.

As I trust in Monken, I trust he is promoting this sentiment TTT.

There is going to be serious testosterone played on the field this year. If I was an opposing team, I wouldn't want to play us!
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(03-31-2013 01:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:12 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:00 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 12:47 PM)DrBox Wrote:  You can't add 2 teams for the main purpose of a more convenient divisional alignment. That's silly. You can take care of the divisions in creative ways, as per Green Miss' post.
Give yourselves a chance to breath and get to know to the 8 new schools you already have.

Personally I like Arkansas State and ULL. I think they would be solid adds.

BUT. There is wisdom in waiting (now that we're in 03-shhhh). Some of the newbies that the Sun Belt is adding may turn out to be power houses.

If CUSA wants to go to 16 then it should wait a few years and see how it goes.

Et tu Brute? 03-no

Let the CUSA folks have their membership discussions. They are entitled to their opinions about their own conference.

If something incorrect is said about stAte then we can chime in.

I actually want you guys too. Undervalued you guys are....
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(03-31-2013 02:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I honestly don't care anymore. I just want to beat the everloving dogshit out of whoever has the bad sense to step on the field with us.

I absolutely don't care who it is anymore.

Takin' us back to USM old skool ways. I'm with you on this. I'm am sick of it and will do everything I can to promote that arse whoopin'.

As I trust in Monken, I trust he is promoting this sentiment TTT.

There is going to be serious testosterone played on the field this year. If I was an opposing team, I wouldn't want to play us!

I'm even ready for a return to [Image: 111207-0402-southernmis1.png?w=595]
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(03-31-2013 02:32 PM)EagleX Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 02:25 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 01:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  I honestly don't care anymore. I just want to beat the everloving dogshit out of whoever has the bad sense to step on the field with us.

I absolutely don't care who it is anymore.

Takin' us back to USM old skool ways. I'm with you on this. I'm am sick of it and will do everything I can to promote that arse whoopin'.

As I trust in Monken, I trust he is promoting this sentiment TTT.

There is going to be serious testosterone played on the field this year. If I was an opposing team, I wouldn't want to play us!

I'm even ready for a return to [Image: 111207-0402-southernmis1.png?w=595]

AAA vs TTT...yep!

If we could get away with it, I'm for KTA....I know you can figure that one out!
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(03-31-2013 02:19 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  Outside the box and not even sure if it'll work --- plus I've been driving since 5:00 a.m.....

it seems that the only divisional issue is UAB/USM. Just move USM west and play UAB every year and twice in basketball. You lose Marshall but gain regular games against La Tech and c-usa holdovers Rice and UTEP. Marshall still gets UAB and coveted game in south Fla every year. UAB gets Marshall and USM. Rice and UTEP get a regular game with USM.
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(03-31-2013 12:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(03-31-2013 08:37 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I'd have no problem going to 16 but we already have a team in Louisiana. Why not add Delaware instead of ULL and just move one of the Florida schools to the West side

Delaware's AD just put a statement out basically saying they have no desire moving IA by criticizing Appy and GA Southerns move to the Sun Belt. There is no way that anyone gets Delaware in probably the next 10 years.

It looks like Delaware and Montana will be the last of the old guard left in IAA, that regularly made the playoffs when we were there. Ive never been a fan of going down with the ship, but it looks like those 2 schools are.

That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, they were researching the idea of moving up to FBS. You have a link to those comments?
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