(03-29-2013 05:08 AM)giesing Wrote:  If the TBD-League is really going to be big I would go with the following teams:
Well, it's kind of a wishful thinking league, but i t would have some merits.
Add the following schools:
Army (football only) to compliment Navy (football only)
Rice (full member) - peer school ( it is important for the private schools as you see the in the adding of Tulsa) for Tulane, SMU, Tulsa for Navy and Army also a good fit)
Umass (full member) - travel partner for Uconn and regional rival for Temple, Navy and Army, good basketball, state flagship school
Southern Miss (full member) - regional rival for Tulane, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa and Houson and Rice, good old cusa rival for a lot of teams in the tbd league.
and add two non football schools for the East VCU and for the West Wichita State.
This wouls give foolwing Divisions:
Football Setup - Zipper Version

Umass - Uconn
Temple - ECU
Army - Navy
Tulsa - SMU
Tulane - Southern Miss
USF - UCF
Memphis - Cincy
Houston - Rice

Basketball setup:
4 Pods ( Own Pod: Home and Home = 6 games, all other Pods once = 12 Games) alltogether 18 Games conference schedule

Cincy
Uconn
Umass
Temple

VCU
ECU
UCF
USF

Memphis
Wichita State
Tulsa
SMU

Tulane
USM
Rice
Houston


This would give a very good league and if Cincy , Uconn or another Team is poached from another league it is very easy to refill, I think strenght in numbers is one of the most important points in this environment for the GOF-Members

With this setup the TV contracts needs to be renegoatied

No more all sports teams unless we lose members. There is no way those teams would increase the revenue share. Basketball members seem more appealing to both competition and revenue. Add VCU, Wichita State, and one other.

I think it will be difficult to get quality BB programs to join the Conference TBD until the ACC vs Big1G feud is settled. If the ACC maintains their current members then the new league will become an attractive option. With the perception of many that UC and UCONN could be gone soon it is more difficult to get these schools to jump leagues. UC and UCONN could very well be stuck in the new league for quite some time because the ACC does not want them and will only back fill with them if the Big1G is successful in maneuvering for two ACC schools that results in the core of the ACC sticking together and replacing those two schools. If the Big1G hits at the heart of the ACC with a UNC then the Armageddon scenario unfolds with a mass exodus from the ACC that might not even result in enough teams left to keep the league going as the majority would vote to disband the league and avoid exit fees and take their NCAA units with them. Hard for me to imagine the Armageddon scenario unfolding but expansion has been crazy and nothing shocks me anymore. I find it more plausible that the ACC sugar Daddy ESPN steps in to save their favorite child with a increase in the TV contract that would keep the FB schools like FSU and Clemson happy and really other then those two there is not much interest in teams leaving.

Bottom line is if the new league sticks together for a decade or more then it should add some Basketball schools to the mix. The Big East hybrid model was too large to make everybody happy. A league with 12-14 all sports and 2-4 Olympic sports members would be much more stable with the All Sports members being the obvious leaders holding the majority of power

(03-29-2013 05:08 AM)giesing Wrote:  If the TBD-League is really going to be big ... ...

... I think strenght in numbers is one of the most important points in this environment for the GOF-Members

With this setup the TV contracts needs to be renegoatied

I don't think there's any strength in numbers effect in going beyond 12, unless the new members add match-ups to the schedule that the broadcast and/or cable networks are willing to pay for.

And given the hell that the Big TBA went through in negotiating a TV deal with uncertain membership while trying to nail down its membership without a TV deal in hand, I think the last thing they want to do is to try to expand first and then go to ESPN and CBS and ask for a renegotiated contract. ESPN and CBS would likely tell them, "sure, when the current deals expire in seven year's time", and then its just the same media money (and probably the same NCAA appearance money) split more ways.

(03-29-2013 06:39 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  I think it will be difficult to get quality BB programs to join the Conference TBD until the ACC vs Big1G feud is settled.

The wild card there is the New Big East and the instability it is bringing to the non-FB Div1 conferences. But I think its most likely under the Armed Forces Wing scenario, since three strong BB schools plus Memphis and Temple makes for a multi-bid conference, whether or not either UC or UConn head on to the ACC.

The Big East (Conference TBD) should just wait on any expansion. Let's see how this works out and then see where we're at. It's not like the ACC or B1G will be taking VCU or Wichita anytime soon. Those schools will be available in 2017.

And after many years, I'm tired of hybrids.

Wichita is only about 2.5 hrs from Tulsa. Perfect travel parter for hoops.

(03-29-2013 08:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East (Conference TBD) should just wait on any expansion. Let's see how this works out and then see where we're at. It's not like the ACC or B1G will be taking VCU or Wichita anytime soon. Those schools will be available in 2017.

What was so damaging to the Old Big East was the imbalance, but if they were to find out that Army was interested ... which could well bring Air Force in ... they'd be imbalanced the other way, with 14 football schools and 11 basketball schools.

But since Navy is not due to join until 2015/2016, there's no urgency in making any decision along these lines until next summer. And perhaps best to wait until the new Big East has worked out whether they want to expand to 12 and if so with what schools.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wichita is only about 2.5 hrs from Tulsa. Perfect travel parter for hoops.

Richmond is only 2.5 hours from Greenville, NC, so VCU makes a perfect travel partner for ECU.

Final four... We are a metro university, we belong in the new "metro." BTW, a move to this conference would be about more than basketball, our baseball program needs this.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East (Conference TBD) should just wait on any expansion. Let's see how this works out and then see where we're at. It's not like the ACC or B1G will be taking VCU or Wichita anytime soon. Those schools will be available in 2017.

What was so damaging to the Old Big East was the imbalance, but if they were to find out that Army was interested ... which could well bring Air Force in ... they'd be imbalanced the other way, with 14 football schools and 11 basketball schools.

But since Navy is not due to join until 2015/2016, there's no urgency in making any decision along these lines until next summer. And perhaps best to wait until the new Big East has worked out whether they want to expand to 12 and if so with what schools.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wichita is only about 2.5 hrs from Tulsa. Perfect travel parter for hoops.

Richmond is only 2.5 hours from Greenville, NC, so VCU makes a perfect travel partner for ECU.

I think the MVC is easier to crack than the A-10.

(03-30-2013 09:54 PM)S11 Wrote:  I think the MVC is easier to crack than the A-10.

But odds are that the New Big East will be doing some more cracking on the A-10 before summer next year, so a move could well look more appealing next summer than it down now.

(03-30-2013 09:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 09:54 PM)S11 Wrote:  I think the MVC is easier to crack than the A-10.

But odds are that the New Big East will be doing some more cracking on the A-10 before summer next year, so a move could well look more appealing next summer than it down now.

Maybe. I just think that the A-10 backfilling with Mason is going to make them tougher to break. VCU is a big get and until stability sets in I don't see them going to Aresco. The MoValley minus Creighton... easier pickings and works just as well travel wise. Quality programs either way.

(03-30-2013 10:04 PM)S11 Wrote:  Maybe. I just think that the A-10 backfilling with Mason is going to make them tougher to break. VCU is a big get and until stability sets in I don't see them going to Aresco. The MoValley minus Creighton... easier pickings and works just as well travel wise. Quality programs either way.

But if SLU and one other ~ Dayton would be an institutional fit ~ announce moves to the New Big East, its not certain to be as strong.

In any event, for this kind of strategy, for once the Big TBA has a little bit of time to sit and watch the shifting landscape, since a 2015/2016 move doesn't have to be nailed down this year.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East (Conference TBD) should just wait on any expansion. Let's see how this works out and then see where we're at. It's not like the ACC or B1G will be taking VCU or Wichita anytime soon. Those schools will be available in 2017.

What was so damaging to the Old Big East was the imbalance, but if they were to find out that Army was interested ... which could well bring Air Force in ... they'd be imbalanced the other way, with 14 football schools and 11 basketball schools.

But since Navy is not due to join until 2015/2016, there's no urgency in making any decision along these lines until next summer. And perhaps best to wait until the new Big East has worked out whether they want to expand to 12 and if so with what schools.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wichita is only about 2.5 hrs from Tulsa. Perfect travel parter for hoops.

Richmond is only 2.5 hours from Greenville, NC, so VCU makes a perfect travel partner for ECU.

I'm in favor of BOTH to be honest. I'm really big on VCU for the reason you mention. They both bring a great hoops programs without the headache of adding a startup football program. I'd much rather have a VCU / Wichita over an ODU / CHarlotte. Getting away from that crap was as good of a reason to leave CUSA as I can think of.

(03-31-2013 01:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-29-2013 08:41 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East (Conference TBD) should just wait on any expansion. Let's see how this works out and then see where we're at. It's not like the ACC or B1G will be taking VCU or Wichita anytime soon. Those schools will be available in 2017.

What was so damaging to the Old Big East was the imbalance, but if they were to find out that Army was interested ... which could well bring Air Force in ... they'd be imbalanced the other way, with 14 football schools and 11 basketball schools.

But since Navy is not due to join until 2015/2016, there's no urgency in making any decision along these lines until next summer. And perhaps best to wait until the new Big East has worked out whether they want to expand to 12 and if so with what schools.

(03-29-2013 09:37 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Wichita is only about 2.5 hrs from Tulsa. Perfect travel parter for hoops.

Richmond is only 2.5 hours from Greenville, NC, so VCU makes a perfect travel partner for ECU.

I'm in favor of BOTH to be honest. I'm really big on VCU for the reason you mention. They both bring a great hoops programs without the headache of adding a startup football program. I'd much rather have a VCU / Wichita over an ODU / CHarlotte. Getting away from that crap was as good of a reason to leave CUSA as I can think of.

Id be fine with adding this pair to C-TBA.

(03-31-2013 01:24 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'm in favor of BOTH to be honest.

Then the Big TBA could add whichever is available, when Navy joins, and if Army decides that Navy is on a good thing, look to adding the other if it can land Army FB-only.

(03-26-2013 08:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 07:20 PM)Shox Wrote:  The Shox have a long standing rivalry with Tulsa and have the premier athletic program in the Valley. We have consistently finished in the top two and have won 6 out of the last ten all sports trophies. Furthermore, we have won more than any other school. We are a 3 sport school with men's basketball leading the way followed by baseball and women's volleyball. We are desperate to get out of the Valley. Thoughts?

Add VCU, Wichita State, and St Louis as BB schools. Ends up being much better than the c-7.

St. Louis is likely joining the Catholic 7; still though with Navy in the A12 for football only and Army likely to be invited for football only; adding 2 programs that are outstanding hoops & olympic sports only to fill out the schedule so you can have 2 divisions of 6 teams each in all sports makes sense from several viewpoints especially travel.

A Western Division with Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Wichita State(hoops & Olympic), Cincy & Memphis for all sports and having selected crossover games for football and hoops will save big $ on travel and promote regional rivalries.

An Eastern Division with UConn, Temple, Navy & Army(football only) ECU, USF, UCF, VCU (hoops & Olympic Sports only) would do the same.

Yep this does give you uneven divisions if you add Army for football only but Army is a draw no matter who they play and would boost overall conference attendance.

(03-27-2013 07:49 PM)Mothball Wrote:  It would really help the new conference in hoops if Houston could get their shitt together. Too much great history to be floundering like they are. Hire a young, hungry coach and put a some money in facilities. That NIT crowd for the Texas game was embarrassing. If you can't put more than 1,000 butts in the seats for a game against Texas, when can you?

Wow is that true, only about 1K for Texas? Sounds like NIU hoops attendance. That is bad

(04-01-2013 02:20 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(03-27-2013 07:49 PM)Mothball Wrote:  It would really help the new conference in hoops if Houston could get their shitt together. Too much great history to be floundering like they are. Hire a young, hungry coach and put a some money in facilities. That NIT crowd for the Texas game was embarrassing. If you can't put more than 1,000 butts in the seats for a game against Texas, when can you?

Wow is that true, only about 1K for Texas? Sounds like NIU hoops attendance. That is bad

Our attendance wasnt great, but there was more than 1000. Attendence was probably around 4K.