i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

Hell, I run a 4.28 just because I lived there...

Something in the water.

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

I think the one redeeming thing for us is the sheer number of FCS call-ups/ brand new football programs on our side of the conference. With WKU reportedly leaving that leaves Troy as the lone long-time football school on our side. We will have South Alabama which is a new program, GA St. which is a new program and an FCS call-up, App and us are FCS call-ups, and we'll likely have another FCS call-up to finish it off. I'm not saying we're going to win the Sun Belt or even have a winning record but I think we have a easier path into the league than you guys did.

By the way, I truly think Troy is going to easily win the East the first few years.

(03-30-2013 11:12 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

Hell, I run a 4.28 just because I lived there...

Something in the water.

Kentucky must have something that makes us bigger. I've been a D-Lineman all my life.

(03-30-2013 11:30 AM)GS T-bone Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

I think the one redeeming thing for us is the sheer number of FCS call-ups/ brand new football programs on our side of the conference. With WKU reportedly leaving that leaves Troy as the lone long-time football school on our side. We will have South Alabama which is a new program, GA St. which is a new program and an FCS call-up, App and us are FCS call-ups, and we'll likely have another FCS call-up to finish it off. I'm not saying we're going to win the Sun Belt or even have a winning record but I think we have a easier path into the league than you guys did.

that's a good point amigo. when we moved up, we moved up alone and i guess the youngest programs were the f_u's and they were both full of south flarda talent.

north texas was on a downhill slide but the size of everyone else surprised me.

(03-30-2013 11:30 AM)GS T-bone Wrote:  I think the one redeeming thing for us is the sheer number of FCS call-ups/ brand new football programs on our side of the conference. With WKU reportedly leaving that leaves Troy as the lone long-time football school on our side. We will have South Alabama which is a new program, GA St. which is a new program and an FCS call-up, App and us are FCS call-ups, and we'll likely have another FCS call-up to finish it off. I'm not saying we're going to win the Sun Belt or even have a winning record but I think we have a easier path into the league than you guys did.

By the way, I truly think Troy is going to easily win the East the first few years.

I was talking with a buddy a couple days ago about the future of SBC football and I mentioned what you just stated. If the divisions work out like that, the FCS move-ups will be in a much better position to get wins than WKU did when it moved up. In fact, as someone else posted a few days ago, it'll be much like the SBC was when it started football a dozen years ago.....some long term FBS but several startups.

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

I will say this. With 63 scholly's you basically have a 2-Deep. With an injury here or there, or if a recruit or recruits, don't pan out you are kind of shot. - ECU game for us last year was great example. It was a competitive game for a while, but it was105 degrees and they kept running guys in - we had a couple injuries and then we were done.

We at App have done a pretty good job of getting really strong recruits that I would argue (1st stringers) can hang with most lower level FBS programs on the field and in the moment

When you go to 85 schollys you have a lot more room for error if you miss on a guy or it's 105 degrees or you lose someone in-game with an injury.

I think ECU was surprised by our size upfront - which has gotten better the last couple years.

(03-30-2013 11:30 AM)GS T-bone Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

I think the one redeeming thing for us is the sheer number of FCS call-ups/ brand new football programs on our side of the conference. With WKU reportedly leaving that leaves Troy as the lone long-time football school on our side. We will have South Alabama which is a new program, GA St. which is a new program and an FCS call-up, App and us are FCS call-ups, and we'll likely have another FCS call-up to finish it off. I'm not saying we're going to win the Sun Belt or even have a winning record but I think we have a easier path into the league than you guys did.

By the way, I truly think Troy is going to easily win the Entire conference first few years.

FIFY

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

No one is saying we will dominate, but we think we will be competitive and have a chance to win most games. One advantage that will make us more competitive is that the triple option is a neutralizer that can be difficult for teams that have never played against it. The triple option also shortens the game and keeps the ball in our possesion. Therefore on offense, we will do fine as we have performed very well on offense against the best defenses in all of college football.

Defense will be tougher as our line may have problems with larger offensive lines and lack of depth. Our LBs will be a little smaller as well. Last year we had a 215 pound safety that will be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick and we will have two other players that will land on teams as undrafted free agents. Our safety next year is a local guy that transferred from Pitt and weighs 225.

With that said, we may have depth problems on defense, but I think our offense will keep us in games.

(03-30-2013 11:30 AM)GS T-bone Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

By the way, I truly think Troy is going to easily win the East the first few years.

Probably. But USA is lurking in the background.

(03-30-2013 11:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

No one is saying we will dominate, but we think we will be competitive and have a chance to win most games. One advantage that will make us more competitive is that the triple option is a neutralizer that can be difficult for teams that have never played against it. The triple option also shortens the game and keeps the ball in our possesion. Therefore on offense, we will do fine as we have performed very well on offense against the best defenses in all of college football.

Defense will be tougher as our line may have problems with larger offensive lines and lack of depth. Our LBs will be a little smaller as well. Last year we had a 215 pound safety that will be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick and we will have two other players that will land on teams as undrafted free agents. Our safety next year is a local guy that transferred from Pitt and weighs 225.

With that said, we may have depth problems on defense, but I think our offense will keep us in games.

Every "transitioned" team in the Sun Belt plays good defense.

They will all be harder to score on than you expect.

Triple option is tough if you haven't seen it. Bama and UGA struggled mightily the 1st half and did better in the 2nd half.

Here is the UGA game. We ran all over them the first half and they were 5 yards away from being the national champions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIVK9jZF...ata_player

(03-30-2013 11:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

No one is saying we will dominate, but we think we will be competitive and have a chance to win most games. One advantage that will make us more competitive is that the triple option is a neutralizer that can be difficult for teams that have never played against it. The triple option also shortens the game and keeps the ball in our possesion. Therefore on offense, we will do fine as we have performed very well on offense against the best defenses in all of college football.

Defense will be tougher as our line may have problems with larger offensive lines and lack of depth. Our LBs will be a little smaller as well. Last year we had a 215 pound safety that will be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick and we will have two other players that will land on teams as undrafted free agents. Our safety next year is a local guy that transferred from Pitt and weighs 225.

With that said, we may have depth problems on defense, but I think our offense will keep us in games.

I was concerned about that last season, when our defense was struggling, but we played decent defense against Navy...I'm fairly confident that the effort can be duplicated.

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It's all about $$$ and lots of it. Stadium expansions, additional scholly's (both male and female), $500,000 for the football coach, easy six figures for your coordinators, facility improvements (recruits want to see the money), fighting for recruits against all the big boys...not just regional FCS rivals. You will now start recruiting FBS athletes but they will be coming in as freshman. Depth and injuries become a big concern as you are up against bigger, stronger, faster athletes, not for a game or two but for a 12 game season. Other progams will also suffer as the 600 lb gorilla eats up every avilable dollar for the next 10 years.

Best thing that could happen for Appy and Ga. Southern was a Sun Belt invite, you'll be in the same situation and competitive as many there but you'll be looking up at UL-X, ASU and Troy for a while.

(03-30-2013 11:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

No one is saying we will dominate, but we think we will be competitive and have a chance to win most games. One advantage that will make us more competitive is that the triple option is a neutralizer that can be difficult for teams that have never played against it. The triple option also shortens the game and keeps the ball in our possesion. Therefore on offense, we will do fine as we have performed very well on offense against the best defenses in all of college football.

Defense will be tougher as our line may have problems with larger offensive lines and lack of depth. Our LBs will be a little smaller as well. Last year we had a 215 pound safety that will be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick and we will have two other players that will land on teams as undrafted free agents. Our safety next year is a local guy that transferred from Pitt and weighs 225.

With that said, we may have depth problems on defense, but I think our offense will keep us in games.

The triple-option will win you a few games for the reasons you stated and cause some of the established teams problems that they wouldn't have with other FCS move-ups.

But I'm not sold on the idea that it's a great mid-range/long-range transition strategy. It will probably put you in the role of spoiler a lot...but is it a real strategy for mid-term and long-term FBS success?

There is some chance that Georgia Southern could put itself into a position of perpetually trying to neutralize the advantages of others rather than gaining the advantage on others.

It will be interesting to watch. I don't think there is much of a middle ground. Georgia Southern will either become a triple-option powerhouse completely changing the face and style of the league....or they will be relegated to sort of a freak-show status always trying to put the square peg in the round hole.

(03-30-2013 12:12 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:59 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-30-2013 11:06 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  i've welcomed ga southern and appy state in the welcome thread.

you both have impressive resumes but i'll share what i noticed as a western fan when we moved up.

let me preface this with the fact that we were already on a bad downhill slide led by david eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson when we transitioned.

i don't see you guys in that shape but i'll share my observations anyhoo.

the sun belt teams that first rolled into l.t. smith stadium were flat out BIGGER. at every position. i remember the first time i saw the cajun's o-line i couldn't believe how big they were.

most of the sun belt teams had some 6'4 baller receivers that we weren't used to seeing in fcs.

the first time i saw troy roll in i couldn't believe how fast (and cocky...lol) they were. about their defense i said..."i want one"

i know you 'think' you have equal talent already just not as many. you might be right but i honestly doubt it. your line is gonna be smaller. your linebackers are gonna be shorter. your corners and safeties are gonna be much shorter.

and the belt was a balanced league. nobody was head and shoulders above and nobody was a guaranteed win....except us under eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

i do believe you'll both transition better than we did simply because neither of you had eLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLson.

but the size and speed of the belt teams are gonna surprise you. go ahead and scoff and say 'beed is a hoops fan and doesn't know jack about football. i'm just trying to give you a heads up.

just to save you some time....please don't inundate this thread with your 'pressbook' heights and weights and statistics. i'll believe them as much as i believe every troy recruit runs a 4.28.

No one is saying we will dominate, but we think we will be competitive and have a chance to win most games. One advantage that will make us more competitive is that the triple option is a neutralizer that can be difficult for teams that have never played against it. The triple option also shortens the game and keeps the ball in our possesion. Therefore on offense, we will do fine as we have performed very well on offense against the best defenses in all of college football.

Defense will be tougher as our line may have problems with larger offensive lines and lack of depth. Our LBs will be a little smaller as well. Last year we had a 215 pound safety that will be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick and we will have two other players that will land on teams as undrafted free agents. Our safety next year is a local guy that transferred from Pitt and weighs 225.

With that said, we may have depth problems on defense, but I think our offense will keep us in games.

I was concerned about that last season, when our defense was struggling, but we played decent defense against Navy...I'm fairly confident that the effort can be duplicated.

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A lot of it depends on how well Georgia Southern can recruit. I think Taggart showed that if you can get a bunch of bigger guys you can bull your way around this league some even without a complete package and no matter what system you run.

An issue with Georgia Southern may be that they have a system where it is going to be difficult to make a comeback if they fall behind....and we can score in this league. A lot of us can score fast and in many different ways.

Georgia Southern's early transition is going to be fascinating to watch.

It's not an offense that plays towards conference play in an even conference. Georgia Tech's inconsistent play year to year is a prime example of what can happen when you have to play in a physical league for 8 or 9 straight weeks. You never know if they are going to win 5 games or 10 from year to year and they absolutely cannot play from behind because they cant pass their way out of a hole. There has to be a reason why until GS shows up, nobody but the service academies and GT runs the offense.

I have no doubt that times will be interesting the next few years, but I'm not buying into the triple option as the end-all-be-all, at this point

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When Western moved up the SBC as a whole was just starting to get their bigboy pants on and WKU was on the 3-4 year plan so most recruits were redshirted. Maybe I should have said we were suppose to be at least that was told to David Elson but it didn't turn out that way...too many bad losses too many stupid losses.

But today you have...

TxSt
USA
GSU
G.Southern
App

almost half (well be half with the next call up) of the conference all with in a couple years of each other with the move up. So that will make it much easier on the new kids on the block and your fan base.

So I don't think any of the newbies will go through what Western did. But on that I think the ideal to redshirt whole recruiting classes was a good ideal and it set Western up to be a good team in years 3,4,5...

Winning is always good but it's better to lose early than in year 3, 4, 5 because you don't have a lot of those 5th year Sr's on the field. But like I said half of the conference are in the same boat so maybe both can happen.

(03-30-2013 12:31 PM)panama Wrote:  It's not an offense that plays towards conference play in an even conference. Georgia Tech's inconsistent play year to year is a prime example of what can happen when you have to play in a physical league for 8 or 9 straight weeks. You never know if they are going to win 5 games or 10 from year to year and they absolutely cannot play from behind because they cant pass their way out of a hole. There has to be a reason why until GS shows up, nobody but the service academies and GT runs the offense.

Maybe not our particular form of the option but there is a lot of option being run in college right now. Heck, it's even making its way into the pros right now. Our particular option is generally only run from the Paul Johnson Coaching tree. That's why Navy, GA Tech, and us all run it. There's no way of telling how its going to do in the Sun Belt. We've scored quite a bit on big time FBS schools so I wouldn't be surprised if we could beat some teams we aren't supposed to. Once you get used to it it might be easier to you but I still think it will be effective. I know it isn't a great comparison but if you look at the current SOCON there are three teams that all run a very similar version of the triple option offense. Two of those tied for the SOCON title (along with App State) while the third beat both us and App State. Now how that will compare in the Sun Belt is another story but we have performed well against teams that are used to the option.