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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
Just FYI... except for 1991-2004, UC has been in a major conference since 1975. Unless you consider a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Louisville, and UC to be minor. The conference only split when Louisville foolishly refused to share basketball money.

If you look at our football schedules during that time, you'll see that we were able to schedule on par with any of the eastern Indys. Penn State, Okie State, Alabama, WVU, KSU, Houston, Kentucky, BC, Rutgers, Temple, Miami (FL), Maryland, ECU, and all of our Metro rivals played at Nippert during that time, most of them multiple times. How many other teams can say they got Alabama to play a game north of the Mason-Dixon line in late November in the last 30 years?
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-27-2013 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Just FYI... except for 1991-2004, UC has been in a major conference since 1975. Unless you consider a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Louisville, and UC to be minor. The conference only split when Louisville foolishly refused to share basketball money.

If you look at our football schedules during that time, you'll see that we were able to schedule on par with any of the eastern Indys. Penn State, Okie State, Alabama, WVU, KSU, Houston, Kentucky, BC, Rutgers, Temple, Miami (FL), Maryland, ECU, and all of our Metro rivals played at Nippert during that time, most of them multiple times. How many other teams can say they got Alabama to play a game north of the Mason-Dixon line in late November in the last 30 years?

Interesting as at that time was that conference considered major by the media?


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03-27-2013 11:52 PM
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-27-2013 04:45 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  And how are UCONN, and Cincy different from USF?? Cincy and USF joined BE same time and Uconn went 1A in football at that same time. None of them has much more of a claim to be moved than the others do.

Umm, Cincy has been playing football for 125 years. We played in the first bowl game ever played (against LSU in 1896). We went to bowl games in the 40s and 50s. We have two national titles in a revenue sport and five members of pro sports Hall of Fames, including arguably the greatest pitcher of all time (Sandy Koufax) and the greatest basketball player not named Jordan (Oscar Robertson). We were actually a part of the establishment in the 70s and 80s. Five of the schools we were with for decades are now in BCS conferences, including our longtime rival (Louisville).

But that's all before we joined the Big East. Since then, UC has won 4 conference football titles (2 outright). We've also made it to the Sweet 16. USF has failed to do either of these.

No disrespect to USF, because I think they have a lot of potential (certainly more than some other schools that were added to BCS conferences in the last go-around). But they don't come close to matching UC's accomplishments.

And they're no higher than UC in their potential growth based on size, recruiting region, and market. They also lack UC's 260,000 living alumni and billion-dollar endowment (both of which would be in the top 1/3 among all Big 5 conference members).
03-28-2013 12:29 AM
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-27-2013 11:52 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Just FYI... except for 1991-2004, UC has been in a major conference since 1975. Unless you consider a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Louisville, and UC to be minor. The conference only split when Louisville foolishly refused to share basketball money.

If you look at our football schedules during that time, you'll see that we were able to schedule on par with any of the eastern Indys. Penn State, Okie State, Alabama, WVU, KSU, Houston, Kentucky, BC, Rutgers, Temple, Miami (FL), Maryland, ECU, and all of our Metro rivals played at Nippert during that time, most of them multiple times. How many other teams can say they got Alabama to play a game north of the Mason-Dixon line in late November in the last 30 years?

Interesting as at that time was that conference considered major by the media?


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I wasn't around then. But FSU won three national titles in football, and Louisville won two national titles in basketball. So I have a hard time believing that they didn't.
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
Big 12 will outlast ACC as long as Texas wants the Big 12 to survive. There are certain benefits of a G.O.R, that the ACC will not have. No G.O.R = Less stability
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-28-2013 12:34 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 11:52 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Just FYI... except for 1991-2004, UC has been in a major conference since 1975. Unless you consider a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Louisville, and UC to be minor. The conference only split when Louisville foolishly refused to share basketball money.

If you look at our football schedules during that time, you'll see that we were able to schedule on par with any of the eastern Indys. Penn State, Okie State, Alabama, WVU, KSU, Houston, Kentucky, BC, Rutgers, Temple, Miami (FL), Maryland, ECU, and all of our Metro rivals played at Nippert during that time, most of them multiple times. How many other teams can say they got Alabama to play a game north of the Mason-Dixon line in late November in the last 30 years?

Interesting as at that time was that conference considered major by the media?


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I wasn't around then. But FSU won three national titles in football, and Louisville won two national titles in basketball. So I have a hard time believing that they didn't.

Cincinnati had never been in what was considered a major conference until joining the BE. Maybe the MVC for a couple of years in the late 60s/early 70s, but it quickly splintered. Their biggest rival has been a MAC school, Miami, who despite losing 7 straight games to the Bearcats since they joined the BE, still leads 59-51-7. In football, Cincinnati, prior to 10 years ago, has been = to Memphis.

So UC and UConn both have to hope for further movement above.

I don't really think MWC and Big TBN get left behind if there is a split. I think it will be more like the CFA with 80-85 schools rather than the BCS with 60-65. In the CFA, Cincinnati was part of the "establishment," although a minor player. Splitting bb $ 85 ways is a lot more lucrative than splitting it 350 ways.
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-27-2013 11:47 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Just FYI... except for 1991-2004, UC has been in a major conference since 1975. Unless you consider a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Louisville, and UC to be minor. The conference only split when Louisville foolishly refused to share basketball money.

If you are talking about the Metro conference, I dont know how "major" the conference was, but it did not sponsor fb. So Cinci was not in a major football conference then. Anyway, Louisville, VT and South Carolina, were not good fb programs then, and had histories very similar to Memphis.
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
(03-27-2013 04:53 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  No they do not belong in a power fb conference, Cincy lost to Toledo MAC W 3rd place finish, UCONN lost at home to MAC W Western Mich 5th place. Cincy had a nice run under BK, well name a team that did not.
I don't think it makes sense to cherry pick losses in this ~ Alabama has lost to Northern Illinois, that school up north lost to Appy State, etc. Single results may be fun for needling fans of the school that was upset (now we know why Wolverines are not found in North Carolina ~ they already caught and skinned all of them for their fur), but are bad measures of overall program strength and status.

As someone who actually remembers the Bearcats from when they were in the Metro, the Metro was considered a strong BBall conference. I don't think they'd have been considered a "major" conference, but they were a well-respected, competitive BBall conference. Of course, most power football conferences at the time were a bit top-heavy in BBall, so I'm a bit skeptical how much of the "major" breakdown applies conference by conference rather than school by school before the big increases in BB money with the formation of the Big East underwritten by ESPN.

And FSU may have been a recognized Football Indy, but playing in the same BBall conference with a big name Football Indy don't mean nothing.
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RE: Question: Are the P5 conference really going to leave UConn and Cincy out to dry?
Agree with Bullet.

The 2 UCs are were never members of the club (not that it matters, see SWC) but they are at the top of the short list of "we can't get the members we want from other power conferences so who is the best of the rest to poach"
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