(03-26-2013 01:00 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:19 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:13 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:05 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Asu and ULL isn't going anywhere.

:lmfao:

Ya that Jonesboro market has CUSA licking their lips...:lmfao:

If they are excited about the smaller Bowling Green market I'm sure they are.

Smaller maybe I guess it depends on how many deaths or births both areas had in the week you asked the question I think it's a few hundred difference in the MSA numbers.

But that's just the MSA numbers and there are other factors when talking "market size" BG would have a lot more people in the area covered by the Jonesboro-Paragould MSA which I believe is 21 miles apart.

Neither is anything to get excited about but Western does give CUSA another school that has ties to the Nashville area and surrounds Nashville from the north and South-southeast

I know the question was market size but Western fits CUSA in a number of ways better than ArkSt. Westerns Sports Budget would be in the top half of CUSA while ArkSt would be at the bottom

I realize any travel to both require a plane and bus ride but it's a little easier getting to BG. If any conference is looking at potential revenue then Western has to be more attractive.

While football is driving the bus in just about every nonbsc conference the NCAA tourney will net more revenue for a conference than post season football....at least at this point.

And WKU has the added benefit of putting UAB in the same division as UTEP.

(03-26-2013 01:05 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:00 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:19 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:13 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

Ya that Jonesboro market has CUSA licking their lips...

If they are excited about the smaller Bowling Green market I'm sure they are.

Smaller maybe I guess it depends on how many deaths or births both areas had in the week you asked the question I think it's a few hundred difference in the MSA numbers.

But that's just the MSA numbers and there are other factors when talking "market size" BG would have a lot more people in the area covered by the Jonesboro-Paragould MSA which I believe is 21 miles apart.

Neither is anything to get excited about but Western does give CUSA another school that has ties to the Nashville area and surrounds Nashville from the north and South-southeast

I know the question was market size but Western fits CUSA in a number of ways better than ArkSt. Westerns Sports Budget would be in the top half of CUSA while ArkSt would be at the bottom

I realize any travel to both require a plane and bus ride but it's a little easier getting to BG. If any conference is looking at potential revenue then Western has to be more attractive.

While football is driving the bus in just about every nonbsc conference the NCAA tourney will net more revenue for a conference than post season football....at least at this point.

And WKU has the added benefit of putting UAB in the same division as UTEP.

Only if you believe the moves are over or there won't be more before 2015.

I look at the addition of NMST and Idaho as protection against moves that will most likely come before summer gets here. I can't see Western, Troy, GSU, or USA voting for the either without knowing something was fixing to change.

It makes zero sense to go to 12 at this point just to get there

(03-26-2013 01:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:05 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:00 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:19 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Ya that Jonesboro market has CUSA licking their lips...

If they are excited about the smaller Bowling Green market I'm sure they are.

Smaller maybe I guess it depends on how many deaths or births both areas had in the week you asked the question I think it's a few hundred difference in the MSA numbers.

But that's just the MSA numbers and there are other factors when talking "market size" BG would have a lot more people in the area covered by the Jonesboro-Paragould MSA which I believe is 21 miles apart.

Neither is anything to get excited about but Western does give CUSA another school that has ties to the Nashville area and surrounds Nashville from the north and South-southeast

I know the question was market size but Western fits CUSA in a number of ways better than ArkSt. Westerns Sports Budget would be in the top half of CUSA while ArkSt would be at the bottom

I realize any travel to both require a plane and bus ride but it's a little easier getting to BG. If any conference is looking at potential revenue then Western has to be more attractive.

While football is driving the bus in just about every nonbsc conference the NCAA tourney will net more revenue for a conference than post season football....at least at this point.

And WKU has the added benefit of putting UAB in the same division as UTEP.

Only if you believe the moves are over or there won't be more before 2015.

I look at the addition of NMST and Idaho as protection against moves that will most likely come before summer gets here. I can't see Western, Troy, GSU, or USA voting for the either without knowing something was fixing to change.

It makes zero sense to go to 12 at this point just to get there

We need a championship game to send a team to the new playoff system that's why we need 12. And are going to 12

(03-26-2013 12:09 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:05 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Asu and ULL isn't going anywhere.

USA has a better shot than either of those two. Larger market... Though UAB might block... But tech might block ULL.

Take a look at what WKU does to the divisions. If Bowling Green is big enough of a market for CUSA, ASU certainly is since its slightly larger.

And the UL market bigger than WKU and stAte....I think that this is going to happen...It gives CUSA the Southern part of Louisiana where the majority if the population is located( 1.3 million people in Acadiana alone and UL has over 20,000 alums in the New Orleans area) and also gives CUSA a footprint in the state of Arkansas. May not happen this year but I believe that it will happen.

Didn't Benson say at the press conference that the league needed to get to 12 to be eligible for its share of BCS revenue?

(03-26-2013 01:26 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:05 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 01:00 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:32 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If they are excited about the smaller Bowling Green market I'm sure they are.

Smaller maybe I guess it depends on how many deaths or births both areas had in the week you asked the question I think it's a few hundred difference in the MSA numbers.

But that's just the MSA numbers and there are other factors when talking "market size" BG would have a lot more people in the area covered by the Jonesboro-Paragould MSA which I believe is 21 miles apart.

Neither is anything to get excited about but Western does give CUSA another school that has ties to the Nashville area and surrounds Nashville from the north and South-southeast

I know the question was market size but Western fits CUSA in a number of ways better than ArkSt. Westerns Sports Budget would be in the top half of CUSA while ArkSt would be at the bottom

I realize any travel to both require a plane and bus ride but it's a little easier getting to BG. If any conference is looking at potential revenue then Western has to be more attractive.

While football is driving the bus in just about every nonbsc conference the NCAA tourney will net more revenue for a conference than post season football....at least at this point.

And WKU has the added benefit of putting UAB in the same division as UTEP.

Only if you believe the moves are over or there won't be more before 2015.

I look at the addition of NMST and Idaho as protection against moves that will most likely come before summer gets here. I can't see Western, Troy, GSU, or USA voting for the either without knowing something was fixing to change.

It makes zero sense to go to 12 at this point just to get there

We need a championship game to send a team to the new playoff system that's why we need 12. And are going to 12

We don't need a playoff to get in CFP. Statistically it is about as likely it will screw us out of a berth.

What it DOES do is mean if we lose a team we are forced to add someone we didn't want to add this week.

We are forced into survival mode expansion when a league with 11 ought to be in enhancement mode.

(03-25-2013 11:46 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:40 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:32 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:26 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Oh I can't wait to make the trip to Idaho in November!!

You visit them in November and we'll visit them in September. Deal!

Orr... Since their in YOUR division you have to play them every year and Troy skips over them !

Sooooooo, why do you assume Idaho will be in the West Division?

This is the second stAte fan I've seen float the idea of Idaho in the east...

For the people that brings up market size, did you all forget this article?

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/georgia-state...expansion/

Quote:Now, I provide the opinion of Russell Wright, a Georgia State grad and owner of Atlanta-based Collegiate Consulting, and someone that I would consider to be an expert on conference expansion matters. You may remember Wright’s business as the one that produced Georgia State’s FBS feasibility study. His company has produced feasibility studies for dozens of colleges, including some that will be mentioned in a few words.

Quote:As for demographics, he said unless you are one of the top-five conferences, market size doesn’t mean as much as rivalries and interest.

(03-25-2013 11:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:20 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  It doesn't make sense. That means something unforeseen is happening. Our presidents are not stupid.

Does that apply to the guy leading the meetings?

I was ridiculed quite extensively on this board for pointing out Benson's poor leadership qualities and decision making abilities. I finally just stopped talking about it and left it with saying to everyone good luck with this guy running things and that you would be disappointed in the not too distant future.

As I have always stated from the moment MT announced it was leaving I was and still am a fan of this league...just not the guy running it. I'm curious if anyone's opinions of Benson have changed?

(03-26-2013 07:16 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  For the people that brings up market size, did you all forget this article?

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/georgia-state...expansion/

Quote:Now, I provide the opinion of Russell Wright, a Georgia State grad and owner of Atlanta-based Collegiate Consulting, and someone that I would consider to be an expert on conference expansion matters. You may remember Wright’s business as the one that produced Georgia State’s FBS feasibility study. His company has produced feasibility studies for dozens of colleges, including some that will be mentioned in a few words.

Quote:As for demographics, he said unless you are one of the top-five conferences, market size doesn’t mean as much as rivalries and interest.

What that guy said is overly simplistic and misleading at best. The only way markets aren't going to matter is if you're not interested in having your games televised. If you don't want your league on TV then yes market size is irrelevant.

Hard to know at this time if going to 12 is right without knowing the "revenue penalty" of not having 12 members. It will likely hurt the Sun Belt's RPI in determining the conference ranking and payouts so that would have to be weighed against the revenue penalty of not being at 12.

With that said, if WKU leaves, Liberty is on deck unless JMU suddenly changes their mind which I don't see happening.

Idaho and NMSU are in the west as those presidents are the ones that pushed for those additions.

App and Georgia Southern make perfect sense as expansion candidates and make for a very nice footprint for the league. However I am with you arkstfan I don't understand what your leadership was thinking with Idaho and NMSU. I feel bad for them just like I'm sure many others do that the WAC died and they were looking at independent hell, but they make zero sense in a deep south conference.

(03-26-2013 07:16 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  For the people that brings up market size, did you all forget this article?

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/georgia-state...expansion/

Quote:Now, I provide the opinion of Russell Wright, a Georgia State grad and owner of Atlanta-based Collegiate Consulting, and someone that I would consider to be an expert on conference expansion matters. You may remember Wright’s business as the one that produced Georgia State’s FBS feasibility study. His company has produced feasibility studies for dozens of colleges, including some that will be mentioned in a few words.

Quote:As for demographics, he said unless you are one of the top-five conferences, market size doesn’t mean as much as rivalries and interest.

You believe a consultant who just did the article to fish for additional business? That is rich

(03-26-2013 06:49 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:46 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:40 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:32 PM)gostAte870 Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:26 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Oh I can't wait to make the trip to Idaho in November!!

You visit them in November and we'll visit them in September. Deal!

Orr... Since their in YOUR division you have to play them every year and Troy skips over them !

Sooooooo, why do you assume Idaho will be in the West Division?

This is the second stAte fan I've seen float the idea of Idaho in the east...

Why not? Just fly west out of Moscow. About as close.

Let me extend my hearty congratulations on this move. After sleeping on it last night, it is pure success. Look no further than the intra-league sniping and "we can get out before you can" posts and "we are a better pick than you are".

Outstanding effort to unite the league. All we need now is a plan to lure away a CUSA school by sticking together that falls apart when one holds firm and two others declare send us a bill, we're out.

(03-26-2013 08:01 AM)wh49er Wrote:  You believe a consultant who just did the article to fish for additional business? That is rich

That how is that relevant to the point he was making?

It seems like his company is well grounded in the "consultant services" market place and knows a thing or two about College Athletics and Marketing. Please note their clients in the link below, and they have clients WITHIN the top 5 Conferences.

http://www.collegiateconsulting.com/?page_id=20

Now that your strawman has been dismantled, please tell me more about a markets being stronger than interest and rivalries when you are outside the top 5 conferences.

I'll tell you what is rich is that you think University officials and AD's will look at this article and think, "maybe we should contact them to help with our marketing".

Heres why it was good in my book.

GS and App St add all sports. Both were good at football on FCS level with good support. Need to improve basketball. But hey so do we.

NMSU and Idaho. Football only. Gets new members a year earlier. Only have to travel once every two years for one sport. Big deal. Wish we got NMSU basketball but oh well.

It funny, everyone didn't want to add FCS teams yet whines when we add to FBS teams. I know they aren't close or "powers" but again theres no traveling other than what I mentioned and it balances the two non-football schools.

(03-26-2013 07:48 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Hard to know at this time if going to 12 is right without knowing the "revenue penalty" of not having 12 members. It will likely hurt the Sun Belt's RPI in determining the conference ranking and payouts so that would have to be weighed against the revenue penalty of not being at 12.

With that said, if WKU leaves, Liberty is on deck unless JMU suddenly changes their mind which I don't see happening.

Proud to be there too brother!

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Now in a more serious vein.

This is my problem.

If I am president of the Sun Belt or commissioner of the Sun Belt I can welcome App or GaSo with a straight face and make a good case for the Sun Belt having enhanced its membership with the schools. I point to the success, I point to attendance. Some will deride taking FCS and I answer I'm taking the cream of FCS.

I cannot make a good enhancement argument for NMSU when I'm not getting the sports they excel in. All I can say is "Uh, it gets us to 12."

I cannot make a good enhancement argument for Idaho when no one willingly averages 2,000+ miles one way. All I can do is trot out the number 12.

If we lose member prior to July 1 and that does seem likely, I'm in survival mode to chase a number.

I cannot sell Jacksonville State like I can sell App and GaSo, spare me the defenses JSU fans, if you cannot admit that truth, keep your mouth shut. In 18 years you've got fewer playoff appearances than Arkansas State had in 10.

I can sort of sell Sam Houston but eventually someone asks where do they find another 8,000 fans per game and I can't answer that.

I can't sell Liberty like App or GaSo. No playoff appearances. If you think that is equal to them, go study the word humility.

I can sell Missouri State, but there is no indication they are biting.

I am basically assured the next press conference is a survival press conference and I've already ruined this one by making two additions for no reason other than to hit a number... survival mode which taints the two good additions I've made.