(03-25-2013 01:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Ratings for the NCAA tournament are up 5% over last year and are the best ratings in 23 years. People may be tuning out football more as ratings are down for that sport, but the NCAA tourney ratings this year are solid.

Maybe people are realizing it's fun seeing David given an opportunity to take on Goliath and actually win. I guess being from a GOF school that I'm biased in my opinion when it comes to the underdog, but the schools like Florida Gulf Coast, LaSalle, ec. have proven that at least in college basketball that they are for real and deserve a chance to showcase their talents. In college football, this same school would be relegated to playing in some bottom paying bowl against a GOF school. Boise, Utah, TCU busted the party and the CARTEL didn't like that so they brought those schools in to shutup the masses about "The Underdog" and fairness in college football. Maybe that's why more people are watching the NCAAs versus Bowl Season.

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

This is how I look at it as well. I do watch the occasional game outside the MAC games, but it tends to be games between AQ and non-AQ, or games I don't get to see or hear about as often, like a couple good MWC teams playing each other. I don't have any interest in watching Michigan and Michigan State play each other for the zillionth time. I didn't watch the so-called NC game because I didn't consider it a NC game.

I've lost interest in a lot of the bowl games because I rarely see any interesting matchups.

(03-26-2013 11:02 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:17 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Ratings for the NCAA tournament are up 5% over last year and are the best ratings in 23 years. People may be tuning out football more as ratings are down for that sport, but the NCAA tourney ratings this year are solid.

Maybe people are realizing it's fun seeing David given an opportunity to take on Goliath and actually win. I guess being from a GOF school that I'm biased in my opinion when it comes to the underdog, but the schools like Florida Gulf Coast, LaSalle, ec. have proven that at least in college basketball that they are for real and deserve a chance to showcase their talents. In college football, this same school would be relegated to playing in some bottom paying bowl against a GOF school. Boise, Utah, TCU busted the party and the CARTEL didn't like that so they brought those schools in to shutup the masses about "The Underdog" and fairness in college football. Maybe that's why more people are watching the NCAAs versus Bowl Season.

+1

(03-26-2013 11:06 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

This is how I look at it as well. I do watch the occasional game outside the MAC games, but it tends to be games between AQ and non-AQ, or games I don't get to see or hear about as often, like a couple good MWC teams playing each other. I don't have any interest in watching Michigan and Michigan State play each other for the zillionth time. I didn't watch the so-called NC game because I didn't consider it a NC game.

I've lost interest in a lot of the bowl games because I rarely see any interesting matchups.

I just watch ND games.

I am more likely to occasionally watch Rutgers play Navy than I am to watch LSU play Alabama.

(03-26-2013 08:03 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 04:34 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 12:08 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 01:40 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I agree. CFB cannot compete with the NFL head to head if you are looking at pure performance. It's one of the reasons I always chuckled when people talked about "dream conferences" and putting all these power schools under one umbrella. It doesn't work because it will always be inferior to the NFL. Thursday nights proved that out week after week throughout the 2012 FB season.

There is a desire for football beyond the 32 largest metropolitan areas of the country.

As a person from an NFL market, college is only one of the options you have to follow locally. In a very significant part of the nation following the NFL isn't a local option.

The reason I love the NFL so much is because my team, I'm a shareholder of the Packers can play for and have won a title. Fresno St. will never have that chance, they sure as hell won't have that chance most years like the Packers do. I love the level playing field, college doesn't have that if you're in the bottom 5, we don't have the money to keep up w/ Alabama. Sure we get 85 schollys like Bama but they get a top 5 guy in the country at every position, while we might get a top 50 guy at every position. In the NFL if you suck, you get a chance to draft the best guy, when the best team has to wait until 32. That's why you get a 2-14 Colts that make the playoffs the next year. America agrees w/ me if you look at the ratings. College fb is still #2, it's the minor leagues for the NFL. The 2 seem to be pulling away from the pack. March Madness is a nice little exciting month but there's not much reason to watch the regular season.

I'm not saying people don't like the NFL, but the NFL is not "reachable" for the average person in Fresno. People in Fresno want a team to follow, want a place to tailgate, and football game to go to. Flying to Green Bay every other Sunday isn't an option for 99.99% of the people in Fresno. The NFL doesn't meet the football needs in that area.

College football provides the highest level football for the Fresno area. So I found miko's opinion to be spoiled. He is upset that college football is becoming similar to the NFL and more "professional". Because he has multiple LOCAL football options that makes sense, but for most of the country college football is the only "professional" sport option that meets local needs.

College football is big in Fresno, they are like a pro team to us but being unable to have a realistic shot at a title for the reasons I stated curbs enthusiasm. However there a quite a few people in town(Reedley, 30 min south of Fresno) that have season tickets to Raiders and 49ers(3.5 Hrs away)

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

That's true, I rooted for Nebraska before I knew Fresno St. played at the same level. Plus my Grandma always bought me Oklahoma stuff, it was weird being a fan of both rivals. I thought Fresno being in the PCAA was a lesser version of the the NCAA. I still love to watch both, I'm just willing to miss college games for family functions while we schedule everything around the NFL schedule. Fantasy football also made the NFL even bigger than I thought it would ever be, to me.

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

I don't think that is the case. People have lives; they're only going to watch if they really care. I figured out a few years ago that it's much more fulfilling to play with your kids/grandkids than watch a team you don't care about.

I haven't watched an NFL game for about 3 years (except a couple times at my brother's house or watching the Super Bowl). If it's not UC basketball, UC football, ND football, the Reds, NCAA tournament, or one of my friends playing (a couple of my childhood friends play in the NFL), then it's little more than background noise to me.

(03-26-2013 09:47 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Guess I'm one of the few, deluded SEC fans then because I hardly ever watch the NFL. Honestly, I'm just not into it at all. I used to really be into the NFL when I was younger, and pre-massive franchise moving (franchises have been moving for years, but back in the '90s the NFL had a lot of teams relocat), but when several franchises decided to relocate, and the NFL showed it was all about the benjamin$, I just stopped watching.

Not to pick on you or anything as you've made decent points, but it's hard to take an $ec fan seriously when saying you don't watch the NFL because they, the NFL, is only about the benjamins.......seriously :)

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

I think you might be surprised - once your team is no longer on the same level, the other college teams, even the top ones, hold somewhat less interest. Especially since, if you really want to see top-notch football, you watch NFL games. I know a lot of people that went to small schools and none of them watch college football. Only those that went to Division I schools seem to be interested, among the people I know. Maybe it's a midwestern thing. I never watched college football until I went to college, and probably wouldn't have been interested if we hadn't been playing schools I'd heard of.

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

I think I'm pretty much dead on....the wvu's of the world have the wvu alumni and 70% of the sidewalk alumni. Those guys won't leave wvu because Marshall isn't included in the 64+/- cartel.....but I can damn well tell you the Marshall fans won't suddenly become wvu fans because of it either. AND, based on your statement you're telling me that MOST of Marshall's fans are actually wvu fans? That's something you'll never convince me of - any Marshall fans want to pipe in on their opinion?

Here you go HERD fans, answer me this -- (1) are you really a closet wvu fan? Come on, be honest. The wvu poster thinks most of you are. (2) Are you going to become a mountaineer fan when it becomes crystal clear that Marshall and the rest of the Go5 has no chance - ZERO - and never will have a chance at the mythical national championship? (3) Is there any "go 'eers" in your future?

The NFL is all about the money but college football is quickly becoming that way. Actually it's worse, because in the NFL you have more parity. College football's postseason and even regular season is dysfunctional.

(03-26-2013 04:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The NFL is all about the money but college football is quickly becoming that way. Actually it's worse, because in the NFL you have more parity. College football's postseason and even regular season is dysfunctional.

Welcome to NFL Lite...

(03-26-2013 04:50 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

I think you might be surprised - once your team is no longer on the same level, the other college teams, even the top ones, hold somewhat less interest. Especially since, if you really want to see top-notch football, you watch NFL games. I know a lot of people that went to small schools and none of them watch college football. Only those that went to Division I schools seem to be interested, among the people I know. Maybe it's a midwestern thing. I never watched college football until I went to college, and probably wouldn't have been interested if we hadn't been playing schools I'd heard of.

In the short term, perhaps. But in the long run, it will all settle out...

As for Herd fans, they may not like how things are working out for Marshall. But in the long run, it's West Virginia against the rest of the nation. That how it's always been, and it won't change. And even though WVU fans give Marshall fans all kinds of crap, the majority root for Marshall against their foes. It only turns to outright hatred when the Herd plays WVU, except for a stubborn few...

(03-26-2013 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 06:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nope, rivalries can happen for many reasons, schools dont have to be in the same conference for them. Competition makes for a great rivalry. You can have a rivalry, you can have great fan following for it but if it is clearly a one sided rivalry then it is not a competitive rivalry.

You can stop trying to attribute ideas to me. That is called creating a strawman. Argue against what I do say not what you are trying to attribute to me. It is a sign of weakness to falsely attribute a stance to me and then to argue against that stance for half of your damn post.

I am not even going to go into anymore individual rivalries. Feel free to disagree with me about my example but the downward spiral that is the Tennessee football program is proof enough that they need new, competitive rivalries.

My main point wasnt about going on a diatribe about rivalries, it was that college football is not going to be harmed. It's viewership will rise even with the loss of viewership of the "old guard" that says they will supposedly stop watching. Go ahead, stop watching then. That isn't going to stop what is coming. I will enjoy college football in whatever form it is brought to us in because I like college football better than pro football for a multitude of reasons.

With the new set up that is coming, more people will begin to get into it.

That is your hope, wish and desire. That may be the networks hope, wish and desire. That does not make it a fact.

Who are these new fans? Why would they tune into college football just because it may have intra-conference playoffs?

Some guy in New Jersey who follows the Jets and the Islanders and ignores college football is now going to watch Wisconsin play Michigan State in a Big Ten intra-conference playoff?

He is going to suddenly get all excited and interested in college football because of this when he could care less previously?

Why? I don't see it. I think that NFL fans in the Northeast, for instance, will continue to favor the NFL and have little interest in big 16 or 20 school conferences creating "new rivalries" and playing each other in intra-conference playoffs.

I think ripping up the fabric of college football and killing old rivalries built up over a century will turn out to be detrimental to the game.

But, that is my opinion. You have yours. Time will tell.

By other belief is that all the people crying foul on these forums are representative of a larger number of folks that are just crying wolf. Most folks that say they will stop watching college football if this all happens really won't stop watching college football when it all happens.

You are right though, it is just two opinions and time will indeed tell.

(03-26-2013 07:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 04:50 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 02:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:14 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:15 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I disagree with you guys. I actually prefer college football, mainly due to its unpredictability. I find pro football to be predictable and dull, whereas college football always has the possibility of something big happening at any moment...

As for putting anyone in a certain college jersey, and expecting the fans to show up and cheer them on regardless, that's ludicrous. If the university puts out a poor product on a continual basis, it shows at the box office eventually...

Wrong --- and correct, both at the same time. The "poor product" is a relative term; completely. Placing those non high school starters in UF unis and pitting them against the 2012 Alabama team then certainly the UF fans will eventually stop coming.....but if BOTH teams drop off in speed, strength and versatility then the average fan won't see much difference at all and even the fan who is a student of the game won't see enough difference in the game to stop attending. Of course the drop off won't be as bad as "current" players who couldn't even start in high school.......more like receivers going from 4.35-4.45 forty times to receivers with 4.65 forty times. The actual difference in those two times is about the difference in a "lean for the tape" and not leaning for the tape in a 40 yard race.

I personally think once the break off is made and the Go5 are a separate division from the 64 +/- "haves" the television guys are going to be real sorry when 35-40% of the market stops watching on television since those 35-40% of the fans teams will then have officially been completely excluded.

I USED to go to the home games (and special and/or close away games) and watch other games before and after. If I wasn't going to attend I'd watch games from 10 am central to past midnight if Hawai'i was playing at home and on TV. NOW, I go to the same games but I MIGHT watch one or two games that don't involve MY team, max, during the whole year. I didn't watch a single bowl game this year with the exception of about 20 minutes of the mythical national championship game.

I'm not so sure you have the right of it here. Most fans of smaller schools also have bigger schools that they root for, and I doubt that would change. Most would still watch the games, even if their school was no longer a part of the process...

I think you might be surprised - once your team is no longer on the same level, the other college teams, even the top ones, hold somewhat less interest. Especially since, if you really want to see top-notch football, you watch NFL games. I know a lot of people that went to small schools and none of them watch college football. Only those that went to Division I schools seem to be interested, among the people I know. Maybe it's a midwestern thing. I never watched college football until I went to college, and probably wouldn't have been interested if we hadn't been playing schools I'd heard of.

In the short term, perhaps. But in the long run, it will all settle out...

As for Herd fans, they may not like how things are working out for Marshall. But in the long run, it's West Virginia against the rest of the nation. That how it's always been, and it won't change. And even though WVU fans give Marshall fans all kinds of crap, the majority root for Marshall against their foes. It only turns to outright hatred when the Herd plays WVU, except for a stubborn few...

I was thinking of it the opposite way. The impact wouldn't be immediate but gradually increase over time, just like attendance in general has dropped for most college programs. IDK. I hope it doesn't come to that. But I can find other things to do than watch football.

(03-26-2013 07:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 06:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nope, rivalries can happen for many reasons, schools dont have to be in the same conference for them. Competition makes for a great rivalry. You can have a rivalry, you can have great fan following for it but if it is clearly a one sided rivalry then it is not a competitive rivalry.

You can stop trying to attribute ideas to me. That is called creating a strawman. Argue against what I do say not what you are trying to attribute to me. It is a sign of weakness to falsely attribute a stance to me and then to argue against that stance for half of your damn post.

I am not even going to go into anymore individual rivalries. Feel free to disagree with me about my example but the downward spiral that is the Tennessee football program is proof enough that they need new, competitive rivalries.

My main point wasnt about going on a diatribe about rivalries, it was that college football is not going to be harmed. It's viewership will rise even with the loss of viewership of the "old guard" that says they will supposedly stop watching. Go ahead, stop watching then. That isn't going to stop what is coming. I will enjoy college football in whatever form it is brought to us in because I like college football better than pro football for a multitude of reasons.

With the new set up that is coming, more people will begin to get into it.

That is your hope, wish and desire. That may be the networks hope, wish and desire. That does not make it a fact.

Who are these new fans? Why would they tune into college football just because it may have intra-conference playoffs?

Some guy in New Jersey who follows the Jets and the Islanders and ignores college football is now going to watch Wisconsin play Michigan State in a Big Ten intra-conference playoff?

He is going to suddenly get all excited and interested in college football because of this when he could care less previously?

Why? I don't see it. I think that NFL fans in the Northeast, for instance, will continue to favor the NFL and have little interest in big 16 or 20 school conferences creating "new rivalries" and playing each other in intra-conference playoffs.

I think ripping up the fabric of college football and killing old rivalries built up over a century will turn out to be detrimental to the game.

But, that is my opinion. You have yours. Time will tell.

By other belief is that all the people crying foul on these forums are representative of a larger number of folks that are just crying wolf. Most folks that say they will stop watching college football if this all happens really won't stop watching college football when it all happens.

You are right though, it is just two opinions and time will indeed tell.

I should be clear, I may continue to watch NIU games for a while, I just would avoid watching any games between the elitist teams. I have a long memory. I haven't watched baseball since the strike. Don't miss it either.

(03-26-2013 08:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 07:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 06:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nope, rivalries can happen for many reasons, schools dont have to be in the same conference for them. Competition makes for a great rivalry. You can have a rivalry, you can have great fan following for it but if it is clearly a one sided rivalry then it is not a competitive rivalry.

You can stop trying to attribute ideas to me. That is called creating a strawman. Argue against what I do say not what you are trying to attribute to me. It is a sign of weakness to falsely attribute a stance to me and then to argue against that stance for half of your damn post.

I am not even going to go into anymore individual rivalries. Feel free to disagree with me about my example but the downward spiral that is the Tennessee football program is proof enough that they need new, competitive rivalries.

My main point wasnt about going on a diatribe about rivalries, it was that college football is not going to be harmed. It's viewership will rise even with the loss of viewership of the "old guard" that says they will supposedly stop watching. Go ahead, stop watching then. That isn't going to stop what is coming. I will enjoy college football in whatever form it is brought to us in because I like college football better than pro football for a multitude of reasons.

With the new set up that is coming, more people will begin to get into it.

That is your hope, wish and desire. That may be the networks hope, wish and desire. That does not make it a fact.

Who are these new fans? Why would they tune into college football just because it may have intra-conference playoffs?

Some guy in New Jersey who follows the Jets and the Islanders and ignores college football is now going to watch Wisconsin play Michigan State in a Big Ten intra-conference playoff?

He is going to suddenly get all excited and interested in college football because of this when he could care less previously?

Why? I don't see it. I think that NFL fans in the Northeast, for instance, will continue to favor the NFL and have little interest in big 16 or 20 school conferences creating "new rivalries" and playing each other in intra-conference playoffs.

I think ripping up the fabric of college football and killing old rivalries built up over a century will turn out to be detrimental to the game.

But, that is my opinion. You have yours. Time will tell.

By other belief is that all the people crying foul on these forums are representative of a larger number of folks that are just crying wolf. Most folks that say they will stop watching college football if this all happens really won't stop watching college football when it all happens.

You are right though, it is just two opinions and time will indeed tell.

I should be clear, I may continue to watch NIU games for a while, I just would avoid watching any games between the elitist teams. I have a long memory. I haven't watched baseball since the strike. Don't miss it either.

It's this mentality that will be the death knell for CFB if the conferences change much more from what they look like today. There are too many substitutes for entertainment if the college game morphs to look more like a professional league.

H1, I totally disagree w/ you on rivalries being outdated. Who exactly will Pitt and WVU have future rivalries with? Almost all of the current ACC & Big XII rivalries are pretty much well established. I can't see WVU replacing Texas as Texas Tech's primary rival or Pitt replacing Duke as North Carolina's primary rival. Sure both can establish some interesting secondary rivalries. Pitt and Syracuse has played how many times now? If a rivalry hasn't been established yet, one isn't going to happen. Ask a Texas fan if playing Texas Tech is the same as playing A&M. And I completely understand that Oklahoma is also a huge game on their schedule but A&M was a huge revenue generator on the 'Horns home schedule. I just find it insulting that an fan of a school w/ 0 risk of losing any of its primary rivals is saying these changes are for the greater good of the game. Rivalries just don't pop up overnight. None of us fans on this board made these changes. However we understand that the moves were necessary because, its either move on or get left behind. And that's really a damn shame.

Conference Realignment has always been around. Some leagues sprung up while others died off. However its not as crazy and intense as it is today. I'm unsure if if these changes will drive fans away from the games or not. I tend to think time will heal wounds and people will continue to watch because they love their schools or just the game itself. But fans will miss those old rivalries.

(03-26-2013 07:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 10:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-26-2013 06:30 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nope, rivalries can happen for many reasons, schools dont have to be in the same conference for them. Competition makes for a great rivalry. You can have a rivalry, you can have great fan following for it but if it is clearly a one sided rivalry then it is not a competitive rivalry.

You can stop trying to attribute ideas to me. That is called creating a strawman. Argue against what I do say not what you are trying to attribute to me. It is a sign of weakness to falsely attribute a stance to me and then to argue against that stance for half of your damn post.

I am not even going to go into anymore individual rivalries. Feel free to disagree with me about my example but the downward spiral that is the Tennessee football program is proof enough that they need new, competitive rivalries.

My main point wasnt about going on a diatribe about rivalries, it was that college football is not going to be harmed. It's viewership will rise even with the loss of viewership of the "old guard" that says they will supposedly stop watching. Go ahead, stop watching then. That isn't going to stop what is coming. I will enjoy college football in whatever form it is brought to us in because I like college football better than pro football for a multitude of reasons.

With the new set up that is coming, more people will begin to get into it.

That is your hope, wish and desire. That may be the networks hope, wish and desire. That does not make it a fact.

Who are these new fans? Why would they tune into college football just because it may have intra-conference playoffs?

Some guy in New Jersey who follows the Jets and the Islanders and ignores college football is now going to watch Wisconsin play Michigan State in a Big Ten intra-conference playoff?

He is going to suddenly get all excited and interested in college football because of this when he could care less previously?

Why? I don't see it. I think that NFL fans in the Northeast, for instance, will continue to favor the NFL and have little interest in big 16 or 20 school conferences creating "new rivalries" and playing each other in intra-conference playoffs.

I think ripping up the fabric of college football and killing old rivalries built up over a century will turn out to be detrimental to the game.

But, that is my opinion. You have yours. Time will tell.

By other belief is that all the people crying foul on these forums are representative of a larger number of folks that are just crying wolf. Most folks that say they will stop watching college football if this all happens really won't stop watching college football when it all happens.

You are right though, it is just two opinions and time will indeed tell.

That is sort of a strawman there, He1nous. I wasn't "crying wolf" in the post you responded to.

My point was that it seems unlikely that Joe Pro Sports in Patterson, NJ will suddenly become passionate about Big Ten football because Wisconsin is playing Michigan State (or whatever configuration) in a Big Ten intra-conference playoff.

Your belief is that "new rivalries" will be created and "t-shirt fans" will suddenly flock to the college game when they ignored it previously because the Big Ten may expand to 20 school and have "intra-conference playoffs".

My belief is that they will yawn and turn the channel to watch the Nets or the Islanders.

I wasn't talking about the downside in my post (that current fans will be turned off by "NFL Lite")

It is an debate without a resolution unless/until it happens and we all can see what effects it brings.