(03-24-2013 10:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I think the lack of true responses is the most telling response.

I have no idea what his brand is. When he came here people expected him to be like Arizona a press a bunch...full court in your face d and wide open offense.

Many here thought the last couple of years with the anticipated depth and conditioning that Memphis would be like VCU and play hectic.

The play good d but not fearsome, the offense isnt high octane or grind it out.

Thanks for the opinion, I agree with what you stated. I hope in time we develop that fearsome defensive identity and an offense that likes to break but can also run good half court sets. Hopefully the assists numbers we had this year show we are becoming that although against the better teams it was still a struggle.

(03-24-2013 09:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  My opinion isnt the point. That is why i was surveying others.

Socrates getting more lame by the second.

(03-24-2013 10:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  My opinion isnt the point. That is why i was surveying others.

So-crates getting more lame by the second.

Thanks pops. Now that you have hurled your usual insults would you care to give your educated assessment. Perhaps your unbiased view from afar can provide a different perspective.

(03-24-2013 10:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dont know why folks get so ruffled. I think with Roy and K you expect smart, well disciplined teams. You have to beat them...they wont beat themselves with dumb mistakes.

Self...good question.

Did u see UNC play tonight? Most undisciplined team I have seen in tourney.

(03-24-2013 10:22 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dont know why folks get so ruffled. I think with Roy and K you expect smart, well disciplined teams. You have to beat them...they wont beat themselves with dumb mistakes.

Self...good question.

Did u see UNC play tonight? Most undisciplined team I have seen in tourney.

Tell that to Roy's face not mine. I just described what Roy is known for. Watching Duke floor slap D all over Creighton.

You folks need to lighten up. It was question aimed for discussion. No right or wrong answer really.

(03-24-2013 09:18 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:14 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Most coaches have an identity--some style of play that is synonymous with their coaching:

Shaka: hectic
Huggins: tough, bruising
Cuonzo: deliberate, tough d.
Pitino: pressing
Boeheim: zone

etc...

How would you characterize Pastner? I just can't figure out his style. He isn't necessarily a tough defense, he isn't a press them into submission, he isn't a run and gun or a grind it out.

his identity is taking over a program with 6 players, averaging 25+ wins and making the ncaa tourney 3 years in a row...all while putting up with ignorant and arrogant fans

Plus having players graduate and stay out of trouble while improving every season.

Isn't assuming "players" getting into "trouble" kind of racist? Why do we assume basketball players inherently want to get in trouble?

(03-24-2013 10:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:22 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dont know why folks get so ruffled. I think with Roy and K you expect smart, well disciplined teams. You have to beat them...they wont beat themselves with dumb mistakes.

Self...good question.

Did u see UNC play tonight? Most undisciplined team I have seen in tourney.

Tell that to Roy's face not mine. I just described what Roy is known for. Watching Duke floor slap D all over Creighton.

You folks need to lighten up. It was question aimed for discussion. No right or wrong answer really.

I would tell you you're right but there is no right or wrong answer really

Damn.

Oh. Ks kids flop too.

(03-24-2013 10:32 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:18 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:14 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Most coaches have an identity--some style of play that is synonymous with their coaching:

Shaka: hectic
Huggins: tough, bruising
Cuonzo: deliberate, tough d.
Pitino: pressing
Boeheim: zone

etc...

How would you characterize Pastner? I just can't figure out his style. He isn't necessarily a tough defense, he isn't a press them into submission, he isn't a run and gun or a grind it out.

his identity is taking over a program with 6 players, averaging 25+ wins and making the ncaa tourney 3 years in a row...all while putting up with ignorant and arrogant fans

Plus having players graduate and stay out of trouble while improving every season.

Isn't assuming "players" getting into "trouble" kind of racist? Why do we assume basketball players inherently want to get in trouble?

I'm not assuming anything. Under Pastner's predecessor there were almost yearly arrests; sometimes several in a year. Hunt, Dozier, Wade, Cooper, Allen, Taggart, Robinson, and others all had run ins with the law. Some had more than one.

and **** you for calling me racist. Don't even pretend you know me.

(03-24-2013 10:40 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:32 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:18 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:14 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:54 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Most coaches have an identity--some style of play that is synonymous with their coaching:

Shaka: hectic
Huggins: tough, bruising
Cuonzo: deliberate, tough d.
Pitino: pressing
Boeheim: zone

etc...

How would you characterize Pastner? I just can't figure out his style. He isn't necessarily a tough defense, he isn't a press them into submission, he isn't a run and gun or a grind it out.

his identity is taking over a program with 6 players, averaging 25+ wins and making the ncaa tourney 3 years in a row...all while putting up with ignorant and arrogant fans

Plus having players graduate and stay out of trouble while improving every season.

Isn't assuming "players" getting into "trouble" kind of racist? Why do we assume basketball players inherently want to get in trouble?

I'm not assuming anything. Under Pastner's predecessor there were almost yearly arrests; sometimes several in a year. Hunt, Dozier, Wade, Cooper, Allen, Taggart, Robinson, and others all had run ins with the law. Some had more than one.

and **** you for calling me racist. Don't even pretend you know me.

It was not intended for you per se. I hear this from fans all the time. I thought our kids were pretty nice overall before Josh got here. Hunt had his problems, but for the most part they were just being kids. Josh has had a few nutjobs too. Jelan Kendrick ring a bell? How bout Geron Johnson?

Coaches want to win. Everything else is bull****. Ya think Josh wanted to make sure Geron turned into a normal kid? He wanted him to play on his basketball team.

The difference-

Cal continued to play guys who got into trouble (including Hunt who had been 'permanently kicked off')
Pastner tries to help players like Kendrick but shows them the door if they don't walk the line. Sallie, Niles, Carmouche, and Kendrick can all speak to the fact that Pastner is far more of a disciplinarian than Calipari.

If it were all about winning a top 25 McDonald's All American recruit wouldn't have been kicked off the team before the first game three years ago.

(03-24-2013 10:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:22 PM)cvilletiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:17 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dont know why folks get so ruffled. I think with Roy and K you expect smart, well disciplined teams. You have to beat them...they wont beat themselves with dumb mistakes.

Self...good question.

Did u see UNC play tonight? Most undisciplined team I have seen in tourney.

Tell that to Roy's face not mine. I just described what Roy is known for. Watching Duke floor slap D all over Creighton.

You folks need to lighten up. It was question aimed for discussion. No right or wrong answer really.

Unless your opinion does not agree with his...

(03-24-2013 11:01 PM)transitt Wrote:  The difference-

Cal continued to play guys who got into trouble (including Hunt who had been 'permanently kicked off')
Pastner tries to help players like Kendrick but shows them the door if they don't walk the line. Sallie, Niles, Carmouche, and Kendrick can all speak to the fact that Pastner is far more of a disciplinarian than Calipari.

If it were all about winning a top 25 McDonald's All American recruit wouldn't have been kicked off the team before the first game three years ago.

They didn't respect or believe in him and they challenged his authority. He grew up in lolly pop land. Cal knew how to deal them. Josh didn't. Did you see Izzo's kids almost start a fight with each other on national tv? Izzo knows how to handle them. Carmouch never had problems before. Either did Sallie. Sounds like Josh had the problem. Inferiority complex maybe?

(03-24-2013 11:12 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 11:01 PM)transitt Wrote:  The difference-

Cal continued to play guys who got into trouble (including Hunt who had been 'permanently kicked off')
Pastner tries to help players like Kendrick but shows them the door if they don't walk the line. Sallie, Niles, Carmouche, and Kendrick can all speak to the fact that Pastner is far more of a disciplinarian than Calipari.

If it were all about winning a top 25 McDonald's All American recruit wouldn't have been kicked off the team before the first game three years ago.

They didn't respect or believe in him and they challenged his authority. He grew up in lolly pop land. Cal knew how to deal them. Josh didn't. Did you see Izzo's kids almost start a fight with each other on national tv? Izzo knows how to handle them. Carmouch never had problems before. Either did Sallie. Sounds like Josh had the problem. Inferiority complex maybe?

You are making assumptions. Sallie's problem involved not wanting to go to class. Yes, grades had been a clear issue on his part. As far as Carmouche not having problems, you really think Will Coleman walked ito a door?

Yep, Cal is so good at dealing with those problems that his players often got arrested while at Memphis....often with little or no loss of playing time.
Challenging authority....that would be like DeMarcus Cousins punching out Robic at UK, right?
How about Sean Banks? BTW, the only reason Banks stopped playing was because he didn't make grades.

You might not care that our players aren't getting arrested anymore. I think it's important as they represent the University of Memphis.

I believe you think it's more important to win at all costs.....pay players, let them beat the **** out of their stripper girlfriends, whatever...as long as they wind up top ten at the end of the season, right?

Yet another trolling post by the op that has had a hidden agenda with Pastner for a while. Don't fall into this people. Open your eyes with this guy.

Carmouche just wanted a transfer and found a loophole to play another year. Josh actually wanted to play him last year.

Lots of defensive folks on here. We do need an identity. Getting players like Geron and Shaq have helped even though Shaq struggled the last half of the season. Nick King and Markel will help this identity as well. As for Cal's teams when he was here, look no further than Antonio Burks, Antonio Anderson and CDR. Those guys were tough. But I guess we label all of them as thugs now since they played for Lucifer.


#smh

(03-24-2013 09:07 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:59 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  Positive.

Some coaches get the horses to run by fear of the whip. Pastner wants the horses to want to run for him.

I get that, but if you are an opposing coach, what type of team would you expect him to field. "Positive" doesn't help that.

Uptempo, defensive minded, unselfish, methodical, above the rim. Pastners teams will be very focused and disciplined as both he and they mature.

x2 on this. Uptempo fun to watch basketball


clean program

(03-25-2013 07:27 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Yet another trolling post by the op that has had a hidden agenda with Pastner for a while. Don't fall into this people. Open your eyes with this guy.

Seriously?

It is a simple question, wasn't "framed" at all and if there was a slam dunk answer then please provide it.

Some of you are want to look for a fight SOOOO badly that you will find the strangest posts to dig your heel in on.