(03-22-2013 04:47 PM)BearcatNation Wrote:  Very true. The lack of a consistent player I think really hurt the ability to run a lot of what Cronin may want to run.

Apart from the stretch after he sprained his good knee I thought Cash was very consistent this year.

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

(03-22-2013 04:47 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:44 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hold on tight next year. It will be a step back. We have solid freshmen but not UK types that will come in and contribute right away. Even Lance Stephenson couldn't carry this team to a tourney. We have no PG, no C, no PF and no SG. We have some 3's in SK and Thomas (let's be honest that's what they are cause they certainly aren't SGs or PGs) and a 3 in Lawrence as a Freshmen. All other positions are untested or low caliber.

Who runs the point? JDIII, Guyn? Meh
The 2 is SK even though he really isn't a shooting guard. He's not even a 30% shooter.
3 is Thomas
4 probably Lawrence
5 probably Strickland

That's a team that isn't going to make the tourney.

I'm praying we find a transfer that could contribute, or maybe a JUCO, but JUCO's are not what they once were.

Whicj players are you goning to run off?

We are already one over on scholarships.

(03-22-2013 04:44 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I think it is over simplifying things to say this team could not make shots. This team could not run offense. It took bad too many bad shots, it took too many shots they weren't capable of making. Teams that don't run good offense tend to miss a lot of shot. Kilpatrick's shooting percentages for the year tell so much of the story. A guy with touch as good a Kilpatrick should not shoot 30% from three and under 40% from the field. This team missed shots, because it ran bad offense. That simple.

Was it the team that couldn't run offense or a coach who doesn't coach a good offense? Or both?

(03-22-2013 05:06 PM)franzeal Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:47 PM)BearcatNation Wrote:  Very true. The lack of a consistent player I think really hurt the ability to run a lot of what Cronin may want to run.

Apart from the stretch after he sprained his good knee I thought Cash was very consistent this year.

Whoops I forgot to add post into that.

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

I agree with you Superfly. I also think its a convenient excuse.

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

Epic post!

I think a lot of us lose sight of this when we talk about this program. We always want to make excuses and except less. We lose track of the fact who we are as a program historically. Getting to the NCAA's three years in a row is not something that should be celebrated, it should be expected.

(03-22-2013 05:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

Epic post!

I think a lot of us lose sight of this when we talk about this program. We always want to make excuses and except less. We lose track of the fact who we are as a program historically. Getting to the NCAA's three years in a row is not something that should be celebrated, it should be expected.

I hate to tell you guys but for the last two decades UC has been a good to very good program but not elite. I am not sure you could expected more this year.

I happy that made the tournament but upset they lost today and I am already ready for next season. The goal is to make the tournament every season and hope that over the years you spring a bunch of nice runs to sweet 16, elite 8, and final four.

Duke got beat by Lehigh last season, Mizzou has lost in the first three years in a row. Good programs play good programs and most of them are done by Sunday.

I really like where Mick has this program where we can complain about first round exits. Its around the same place Huggins had Cincinnati basketball when he left. I would love to get back to that elite level.

(03-22-2013 05:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

Epic post!

I think a lot of us lose sight of this when we talk about this program. We always want to make excuses and except less. We lose track of the fact who we are as a program historically. Getting to the NCAA's three years in a row is not something that should be celebrated, it should be expected.

If no one else will...I'll celebrate it. Three straight Tourneys with a S16...from where we came from? I sure don't get what makes so many fans in here feel so entitled.

Lest we forget, Cincy hasn't been to an E8 since 1996. There were 8 opportunities to do so Pre Cronin. And then the wasteland years. It's just not that easy.

(03-22-2013 04:50 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And are we tired of the team shooting 58% on free throws or whatever it is.

That's one of the things that frustrates me the most. It seems that when the game is on the line we have a 51% free throw shooter at the line and the other team has an 85% shooter at the line. Free throw shooting is something you should have gotten good at in high school.

(03-22-2013 05:44 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:50 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And are we tired of the team shooting 58% on free throws or whatever it is.

That's one of the things that frustrates me the most. It seems that when the game is on the line we have a 51% free throw shooter at the line and the other team has an 85% shooter at the line. Free throw shooting is something you should have gotten good at in high school.

You might want to mention that to the other Shaq

But I do agree we need some good FT shooters

(03-22-2013 05:38 PM)payday Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:24 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Not what I expected. Losing to a really non athletic team like Creighton.
Very surprised that we did not trap them or get any fast break points.
Preseason ranked in all of they publications, lots of hype, etc. No elite 8, no final fours, not sure if next season is any better.

I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

Epic post!

I think a lot of us lose sight of this when we talk about this program. We always want to make excuses and except less. We lose track of the fact who we are as a program historically. Getting to the NCAA's three years in a row is not something that should be celebrated, it should be expected.

If no one else will...I'll celebrate it. Three straight Tourneys with a S16...from where we came from? I sure don't get what makes so many fans in here feel so entitled.

Because the Cincinnati basketball program once, when compared to the Dukes, Michigan States, UCLAs , Arizonas,Miamis,et al of the college basketball world ranked far above them. That was a long time ago but there is no reason it couldn't be again.

(03-22-2013 06:01 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:38 PM)payday Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:15 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:12 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  I'm not surprised by the result. Creighton can shoot, hit free throws, and play smart bball. I'll take that over athletic low bball IQ. The better team won today.

Listened to the post game. Coach Davis called this a great year. Can't say I agree with his opinion. He highlighted we are one of the few BE schools to go to 3 straight NCAA's. I guess if this is their goal, then good for them. Hope they plan on making great 8's or Final 4's at some point.

I disagree with Davis. We are UC, regardless of what conference we play in.
The bar should be higher than that. Sounds like an excuse mongering.

Epic post!

I think a lot of us lose sight of this when we talk about this program. We always want to make excuses and except less. We lose track of the fact who we are as a program historically. Getting to the NCAA's three years in a row is not something that should be celebrated, it should be expected.

If no one else will...I'll celebrate it. Three straight Tourneys with a S16...from where we came from? I sure don't get what makes so many fans in here feel so entitled.

Because the Cincinnati basketball program once, when compared to the Dukes, Michigan States, UCLAs , Arizonas,Miamis,et al of the college basketball world ranked far above them. That was a long time ago but there is no reason it couldn't be again.

Well i'm old enough to have lived during those days. And I want nothing more that to see another title before my time is up. But those expectations are completely irrational. Once upon a time Oklahoma A&M, LaSalle, California and San Francisco ranked far above Cincy before those others. Means nothing. Cincy is back to being a Tourney regular. And I don't see that changing. Enough shots at it, and good will eventually happen. Maybe next year. There's no one in here can say they expected a long run this year. Not if they're honest about it.

And when has the Miami's ever been on top of the college hoops world?

(03-22-2013 05:16 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:47 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:44 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hold on tight next year. It will be a step back. We have solid freshmen but not UK types that will come in and contribute right away. Even Lance Stephenson couldn't carry this team to a tourney. We have no PG, no C, no PF and no SG. We have some 3's in SK and Thomas (let's be honest that's what they are cause they certainly aren't SGs or PGs) and a 3 in Lawrence as a Freshmen. All other positions are untested or low caliber.

Who runs the point? JDIII, Guyn? Meh
The 2 is SK even though he really isn't a shooting guard. He's not even a 30% shooter.
3 is Thomas
4 probably Lawrence
5 probably Strickland

That's a team that isn't going to make the tourney.

I'm praying we find a transfer that could contribute, or maybe a JUCO, but JUCO's are not what they once were.

Whicj players are you goning to run off?

We are already one over on scholarships.

Nyarsuk for sure, and I don't see Sanders ever being able to contribute. He is just too slow.

I would not give up on Gaines yet. He has size and a ton of athleticism. He needs to take a big step in the off season. I would love for Mick to sit him down and tell him to **** or get off the pot.

Bottom line is there are too many guys on the roster that bring nothing to the table.

I'm disappointed about the outcome today but Creighton is a really good team. I also saw things from returning players that give me hope for next year. I thought Shaq had a good game; he shot well and took good shots. When Titus wasn't bombing 3's he drove the ball and did well; that's what he needs to continue doing. I saw them running more of an offense at times in their dribble drives.

(03-22-2013 06:17 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 05:16 PM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:47 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 04:44 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hold on tight next year. It will be a step back. We have solid freshmen but not UK types that will come in and contribute right away. Even Lance Stephenson couldn't carry this team to a tourney. We have no PG, no C, no PF and no SG. We have some 3's in SK and Thomas (let's be honest that's what they are cause they certainly aren't SGs or PGs) and a 3 in Lawrence as a Freshmen. All other positions are untested or low caliber.

Who runs the point? JDIII, Guyn? Meh
The 2 is SK even though he really isn't a shooting guard. He's not even a 30% shooter.
3 is Thomas
4 probably Lawrence
5 probably Strickland

That's a team that isn't going to make the tourney.

I'm praying we find a transfer that could contribute, or maybe a JUCO, but JUCO's are not what they once were.

Whicj players are you goning to run off?

We are already one over on scholarships.

Nyarsuk for sure, and I don't see Sanders ever being able to contribute. He is just too slow.

I would not give up on Gaines yet. He has size and a ton of athleticism. He needs to take a big step in the off season. I would love for Mick to sit him down and tell him to **** or get off the pot.

Bottom line is there are too many guys on the roster that bring nothing to the table.

Sanders next year has to able to rebound and hit open three. Davis needs to be able to handle the ball, defend, and hit open threes.