(03-20-2013 06:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  According to reports, you can throw a dart at the NCAA rulebook and hit a violation by Syracuse. That would lead me to believe that this has very little to do with the Bernie Fine investigation. While that may be a part of it, it's by no means all of it...

I dont know why a Cuse alum would bring it up then.

It's on all the sports news outlets - except for the world leader (or at least that was the case when I looked earlier) - so why try to deny it?

(03-20-2013 06:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's on all the sports news outlets - except for the world leader (or at least that was the case when I looked earlier) - so why try to deny it?

I meant the Fine angle. If it doesnt have anything to do with this then why would an orange alum say it does? He's a SI writer not some internet fanboy. Just strange.

Damn, the ACC is really taking it on the chin lately aren't they? I know Syracuse isn't ACC yet but this may drag on long enough so that they are ACC during this.

Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.


I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

(03-20-2013 06:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 06:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's on all the sports news outlets - except for the world leader (or at least that was the case when I looked earlier) - so why try to deny it?

I meant the Fine angle. If it doesnt have anything to do with this then why would an orange alum say it does? He's a SI writer not some internet fanboy. Just strange.

I really don't care one way or the other. I'm just waiting to see what comes of the investigation. Although I think Syracuse is hoping the NCAA has hired another stupid investigator, like the guy they originally put in charge of the Miami fiasco...

Dennis Dodd himself called into a local radio station to take questions about this.

In his own words how worried SU should be: "All it is right now, is bad publicity. There can be a lot thrown on the wall and not much sticks."

https://twitter.com/JaredSmithCNY/status...2434946048

(03-20-2013 07:22 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.


I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

Ironically, Boeheim's greatest fault is that he is Paterno's opposite. He is not an egotistical control freak who wants to crush anyone who crosses him. Rather, sometimes it seems like he's so lackadaisical about non basketball matters, even those relating to his players, that just about anything could be going on under his nose. But I seriously doubt that he has been complicit in any serious violations.

I do find it interesting that this investigation has gone public just as the NCAA tournament is getting started.

Jay Bilas tweeted this earlier today.

Quote:Jay Bilas @JayBilas

Syracuse Basketball under investigation by the NCAA?

http://youtu.be/yp_l5ntikaU?t=59s

Also, earlier today Mike Waters (Post Standard) was on Francesa.

Quote:"Basically, this goes back to last year at the NCAA Tournament when Fab Melo -- the 7-foot center -- was suspended about two days before the start of the tournament," Waters said. "Coming off of that, that's what prompted the NCAA to come in and look at Syracuse's basketball program. Mainly, an academic look.

"Earlier this year, we really learned a lot about the fact that the NCAA had been around when James Southerland - their 6-foot-8, senior forward -- was suspended.

I got it from two sources that the reason James was suspended then -- while the university was the body that suspended him -- it was a result of the NCAA had been in town and looking at the basketball program's academic records.

"A story now is not a huge shock. It is an attention grabber because of the timing of the tournament. But, really, nothing new under the sun because going all the way back to January we had stories that, yes, the NCAA had been looking at the program."

When asked by Francesa if Syracuse should be worried, Waters answered:

"I don't think it is serious, but anytime the NCAA is looking at you and spending that amount of time I think you have to take it seriously."

After the Lasalle-BSU they discussed at length. Eligibility issues is one issue.

And with that... Jim Boeheim will retire after this year and the rest of the staff will take the fall.

(03-20-2013 07:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:22 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.


I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

Ironically, Boeheim's greatest fault is that he is Paterno's opposite. He is not an egotistical control freak who wants to crush anyone who crosses him. Rather, sometimes it seems like he's so lackadaisical about non basketball matters, even those relating to his players, that just about anything could be going on under his nose. But I seriously doubt that he has been complicit in any serious violations.

I do find it interesting that this investigation has gone public just as the NCAA tournament is getting started.

It wouldn't be March without some freak occurance screwing us over.

(03-20-2013 05:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:42 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 04:38 PM)ULdave Wrote:  A. I doubt they've done anything that everyone else isn't doing.
B. I doubt it becomes NCAA will actually do anything significant.

Pete Thamel is tweeting that it is from the Bernie Fine accusations and that they failed to contact the proper authorities while taking four months to investigate the accusations themselves.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/sports...d=all&_r=0

After Penn St., they have to come down really hard if Thamel is right. Otherwise they undermine their Penn St. case.

But the CBS report says it has nothing to do with Fine.

YOU MEAN LIKE THEY DID WITH NORTH CAROLINA?

(03-20-2013 07:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:22 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.


I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

Ironically, Boeheim's greatest fault is that he is Paterno's opposite. He is not an egotistical control freak who wants to crush anyone who crosses him. Rather, sometimes it seems like he's so lackadaisical about non basketball matters, even those relating to his players, that just about anything could be going on under his nose. But I seriously doubt that he has been complicit in any serious violations.

I do find it interesting that this investigation has gone public just as the NCAA tournament is getting started.

So.....what is your theory? Are you implying that Dodd made the story up or that he sat on the story until now or that his NCAA source waited until now to leak it to him?

Regardless, if you don't want to get nailed right when the tournament starts, don't cheat.

(03-21-2013 06:40 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:22 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.


I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

Ironically, Boeheim's greatest fault is that he is Paterno's opposite. He is not an egotistical control freak who wants to crush anyone who crosses him. Rather, sometimes it seems like he's so lackadaisical about non basketball matters, even those relating to his players, that just about anything could be going on under his nose. But I seriously doubt that he has been complicit in any serious violations.

I do find it interesting that this investigation has gone public just as the NCAA tournament is getting started.

So.....what is your theory? Are you implying that Dodd made the story up or that he sat on the story until now or that his NCAA source waited until now to leak it to him?

Regardless, if you don't want to get nailed right when the tournament starts, don't cheat.

Not Dodd, the NCAA itself.

(03-21-2013 02:15 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 07:22 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  Boeheim may live to regret his Joe Paterno comment.

I'm not the biggest defender of Paterno, but I thought that was a definite low-class cheap shot on Jim's part.

Ironically, Boeheim's greatest fault is that he is Paterno's opposite. He is not an egotistical control freak who wants to crush anyone who crosses him. Rather, sometimes it seems like he's so lackadaisical about non basketball matters, even those relating to his players, that just about anything could be going on under his nose. But I seriously doubt that he has been complicit in any serious violations.

I do find it interesting that this investigation has gone public just as the NCAA tournament is getting started.

It wouldn't be March without some freak occurance screwing us over.

This sounds more like a case of Syracuse screwing itself. The NCAA just happened to uncover it...

Isn't this the 2nd time in the past decade that Syracuse has been investigated? There was the whole street agent thing in recruiting. Well, there's some consolation in the fact that they'll fit right in with Miami, North Carolina, etc. in the ACC.

(03-21-2013 07:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Isn't this the 2nd time in the past decade that Syracuse has been investigated? There was the whole street agent thing in recruiting. Well, there's some consolation in the fact that they'll fit right in with Miami, North Carolina, etc. in the ACC.

Syracuse was on probation for one year in 92-93 for "lack of institutional control" due to the steering of some recruits to the school by a street agent back in the late 80's early 90's. I don't believe any connection between the athletic department and the agent was ever demonstrated (i.e., it was all unilateral activity by the agent and/or a booster).

Syracuse has been periodically under investigation, but has never been subject to additional penalties in basketball. In addition to the Bernie Fine incident, a year or so ago, there was a report that the NCAA was looking at the University's alleged failure to follow its own procedures (not any NCAA rules) with respect to disciplining some athletes caught smoking pot (next thing you know, we're going to find out that some Syracuse undergrads drink beer, possibly Orange beer). This new investigation appears to be a continuation/expansion of last year's investigation of Fab Melo academic eligility issues. This is all nagging stuff that hardly seems important, although it never seems to happen to the football team.

(03-21-2013 07:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Isn't this the 2nd time in the past decade that Syracuse has been investigated? There was the whole street agent thing in recruiting. Well, there's some consolation in the fact that they'll fit right in with Miami, North Carolina, etc. in the ACC.

This from a fan whose team is not allowed to play in either the BE or the NCAA's.

(03-21-2013 07:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Isn't this the 2nd time in the past decade that Syracuse has been investigated? There was the whole street agent thing in recruiting. Well, there's some consolation in the fact that they'll fit right in with Miami, North Carolina, etc. in the ACC.

Apparently UConn is totally clean in your mind?