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That played a part, but the early departure from the CUSA tournament was a bigger factor

(03-24-2013 09:08 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:01 PM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:05 PM)tibber Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 07:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 12:54 AM)tibber Wrote:  Are we seeing the makings of a civil war here? Basketball fans vs. Football fans?

No.

Oh, it's happening. and if football doesn't show an improvement this year, it's gonna get ugly, I'm afraid. It'll be like Watson's final days.

Not to mention when bball fans get a taste of what our already dreadful schedule looks like except without Memphis.... And with the new 300+ rpi replacements like UTSA and Old Dominion.

Wow. You are really clueless. UTSA I will give you. But if you know anything about basketball, which I am beginning to doubt, you know that this year was an aberration for ODU.

Take Memphis out of the equation and go compare historical RPIs for those incoming to those leaving.

OK:

Leaving (minus Memphis, which I'm not sure why you'd do this since it's like the only home game every year that sells out or comes close to it):
RPI Average Last:
6 years: 181
5 Years: 180
4 years: 178
3 years: 170
2 years: 170

Joining:
6 years: 171
5 Years: 168
4 years: 164
3 years: 170
2 years: 165

% better RPI of joining teams vs already pathetic teams leaving (excluding Memphis):
6 years: 5%
5 Years: 6%
4 years: 8%
3 years: 0%
2 years: 3%

I can see the standing-room only crowds now.

In my face, I guess....

And hopefully ODU's season this year was an aberration.

Pig, meet lipstick....

(03-25-2013 11:05 AM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:08 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 09:01 PM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 08:05 PM)tibber Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 07:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  No.

Oh, it's happening. and if football doesn't show an improvement this year, it's gonna get ugly, I'm afraid. It'll be like Watson's final days.

Not to mention when bball fans get a taste of what our already dreadful schedule looks like except without Memphis.... And with the new 300+ rpi replacements like UTSA and Old Dominion.

Wow. You are really clueless. UTSA I will give you. But if you know anything about basketball, which I am beginning to doubt, you know that this year was an aberration for ODU.

Take Memphis out of the equation and go compare historical RPIs for those incoming to those leaving.

OK:

Leaving (minus Memphis, which I'm not sure why you'd do this since it's like the only home game every year that sells out or comes close to it):
RPI Average Last:
6 years: 181
5 Years: 180
4 years: 178
3 years: 170
2 years: 170

Joining:
6 years: 171
5 Years: 168
4 years: 164
3 years: 170
2 years: 165

% better RPI of joining teams vs already pathetic teams leaving (excluding Memphis):
6 years: 5%
5 Years: 6%
4 years: 8%
3 years: 0%
2 years: 3%

I can see the standing-room only crowds now.

In my face, I guess....

And hopefully ODU's season this year was an aberration.

Pig, meet lipstick....

My point is that this new conference is not a step down like everyone seems to think. Without Memphis, it will be much more competitive. As far as attendance, people need to be coming to see UAB instead of Memphis.

No, we won't have Memphis to spike home attendance for a game.

We'll have North Carolina instead.

(03-25-2013 11:14 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  My point is that this new conference is not a step down like everyone seems to think. Without Memphis, it will be much more competitive. As far as attendance, people need to be coming to see UAB instead of Memphis.

Ummmm.... OK, sure.

We won 20-25 games against all of the non-Memphis's for like 5 years in a row and it got us exactly one First Four appearance. So it is your contention that our chances are actually BETTER now of making the tournament with those same win-totals?

Also, what people NEED to do is irrelevant. What people will ACTUALLY do is what's relevant.

[quote='KevMo4UAB' pid='9149940' dateline='1364225830']
In 2008, when Memphis went to the national championship game and lost to Kansas in OT, C-USA was a one-bid conference. Memphis was considered so much better than the rest of the league.
UAB lost at Memphis that year by 38 points. However, UAB only lost by 1 point at The Bart.
How did that turn out?
Well in the Big Dance, Memphis beat Michigan State by 18 points and UCLA by 25 points.

UAB went 12-4 in C-USA that year and only received a bid to the NIT.

I have to believe the 38-point loss at Memphis did UAB in as far as getting into the Big Dance.
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Well actually, it proves exactly what I was pointing toward. UAB had a very very good team that year, and should have gotten a Bid to dance...

But, Memphis because of the perception of Conference weakness, see Gonzaga, only Magnified our losses to them, the perception was of UAB being weak and not that Memphis was a very good team... with a strong roster of one and done future NBA players...

Again my memory isnt so good, but the NIT team that played N.Carolina, at Bartow, a Carolina team, that would go on to have great success the following year, deserved better, and was a legit NCAA Turny team...

How many teams from Gonzaga (BASKETBALL ONLY ) conference were invited this year. Do you see a pattern here..

Now compare the SEC basketball with a weak Kentucky, it was a 3 Bid Basketball league, however in football over 2/3 of their teams went to Bowls... can you see the $$$$$$$$$$$ cow...

UAB will be okay, the League would have been more stable if the teams that left for the unknown conference had stayed, but it would have not been a better basketball or football league...

It would have been pretty much the same....Its up to every indvidual team to improve their scheduling, rosters, and wins, there by improving the conference... We were headed in the right direction, but then the defectors saw $$$$$$$$$....

UAB only needs one bid. The rest of the conference, whoever they are, can watch on TV.

you see thats what I am saying, winning will fill seats, and get you dancing...Heck If the Sunbelt had a Billion dollar contract and still had the same membership, there would be those rying to get in...Lets take care of our business, support our teams...
I believe we have good leadership, for footballl and basketball....

(03-25-2013 11:48 AM)rebounder2u Wrote:  How many teams from Gonzaga (BASKETBALL ONLY ) conference were invited this year. Do you see a pattern here..

Huh? Aren't the A10 and MVC, leagues with multiple bids, basketball only conferences? Isn't the new C7 represented by multiple teams in the tourney? And I don't necessarily mind having football playing members in a conference.... I just don't like this rule that says you MUST have football to join.

And please don't bring the SEC into the discussion. That is a league where football actually PAYS the BILLS. CUSA probably has 3 or 4 sugar daddy football programs at the most, with the rest treading water or drowning financially.

There are about 20, 22 programs in the NCAA that are in the black. The other 300 or so are "treading water or drowning financially".

CUSA is also a conference where football is paying the bills. The TV contract which is football driven is paying the bills.

Me thinks we have a poster that has returned from the nether regions.

(03-25-2013 01:16 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  CUSA is also a conference where football is paying the bills. The TV contract which is football driven is paying the bills.

Seems like a circular argument to me. Football is expensive, but it has TV contract $$, so we need football and a football conference to pay the bills that come with football.

The basketball only schools don't have the financial burden of football and accompanying Title IX, and their basketball only league is enjoying more bids and greater basketball success than non-BCS football playing conferences. Hence, the quite common-sense perception that football has hindered basketball. It's just empirical observation.

(03-25-2013 11:28 AM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:14 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  My point is that this new conference is not a step down like everyone seems to think. Without Memphis, it will be much more competitive. As far as attendance, people need to be coming to see UAB instead of Memphis.

Ummmm.... OK, sure.

We won 20-25 games against all of the non-Memphis's for like 5 years in a row and it got us exactly one First Four appearance.

How many first round exits in the conference tournament does that include?

I don't think there are many Southern Schools that are successful in basketball without football either FBS or FCS. There is FGCU which is a one hit wonder. They may go on a UAB like run in the 80s but remains to be seen.

Closest I can think of is Davidson and VCU.

(03-25-2013 01:15 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  There are about 20, 22 programs in the NCAA that are in the black. The other 300 or so are "treading water or drowning financially".

I'm not talking about entire programs.... I'm talking about FOOTBALL programs. When someone brings up the Big 10 or SEC or most BCS conferences and the need for football at those colleges, they are 100% correct because football pays for all of those other sports, builds new arenas, pays for the equestrian team to visit Seattle for a tournament, etc. When football doesn't or just barely pays ITS OWN bills, then you've got a problem.

(03-25-2013 02:25 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:28 AM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:14 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  My point is that this new conference is not a step down like everyone seems to think. Without Memphis, it will be much more competitive. As far as attendance, people need to be coming to see UAB instead of Memphis.

Ummmm.... OK, sure.

We won 20-25 games against all of the non-Memphis's for like 5 years in a row and it got us exactly one First Four appearance.

How many first round exits in the conference tournament does that include?

First round exits in a garbage conference tournament will keep you out of the NCAA's....

bartowfan, I left this for KevMo4UAB, on anonther post, but sounds like you and KevMo4UAB, could do it like hee haw!!! together...

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

We figured she was rich, loaded to the hilt
And we figured she had class like the Vanderbilts
'Cause we had heard for years how she was so well reared
How was we to know they meant the way she was built

Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

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(03-25-2013 01:46 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Me thinks we have a poster that has returned from the nether regions.

He does have that aroma, but I could be being uncharitable.

(03-25-2013 04:21 PM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 02:25 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:28 AM)bartowfan Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:14 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  My point is that this new conference is not a step down like everyone seems to think. Without Memphis, it will be much more competitive. As far as attendance, people need to be coming to see UAB instead of Memphis.

Ummmm.... OK, sure.

We won 20-25 games against all of the non-Memphis's for like 5 years in a row and it got us exactly one First Four appearance.

How many first round exits in the conference tournament does that include?

First round exits in a garbage conference tournament will keep you out of the NCAA's....

Which was exactly the point being made. Win 20-25 games, have a sorta adequate OOC, a sorta adequate RPI, then **** the bed in the conference tournament first round and guess what? How many times did we bubble watch and pray, knowing we needed a deep run in the conference tourney to have a legit chance, only to watch our hopes go down in flames in the first game?

You don't dance when it's like that. And that has nothing to do with football.