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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
Houston can draw well if they can get back to their winning days of the 70's and 80's.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 04:46 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Makes me wonder if the new conference is going to try to put higher exit fees on those schools since their leaving would negatively impact the league more than others. With the same notion, I wonder if those four schools will demand higher tv revenue than the others since they hold the league together?

Either way, the way these schools are treated unequally makes me think this conference truly is doomed from the start.

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Or the networks think USF and UCF will be gone first, anyhow and still think they can renegotiate with the remaining teams, since those remaining outside of UCF and USF also bring basketball cred. 03-wink

Actually, I think ESPN knows that the whole thing is gonna blow up after 2014 and is just following NBC's clause. That's how NBC saw it in their eyes and ESPN got their cheap deal. There won't be an A12 or whatever...ever after 2014.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
The highest valued schools (from a TV perspective) in the "original nBE" were UConn, Rutgers, and Boise. The fourth school was either Houston or Louisville. I think that fourth school was Houston, and I was surprised Louisville wasn't in the top 4.

So it's not shocking that Houston is in Group A this time.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 06:08 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 05:21 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:53 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Who knows. I find it kind of interesting that Houston is on Group A list. They probably won't get the call to ACC, and are unlikely to go to B12 without defections. I can see Temple on the list though. Not sure why USF and UCF were put on group B. Maybe we're just reading too much into it.

Kinda surprised SMU wasn't as valued as much as UH.

I'm surprised houston was that high up, smu is probably at the bottom

Why the surprise?

UH doesn't pull in their market

If that were true, they wouldn't be in the A group.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
It makes no sense for ESPN to want the remaining Big East schools to join the Big 12 or ACC and destroy the conference now, as they'd be forced to pay 10-to-20-million more per school for those that shift from the Big East to one of the major conferences... that's basically the cost of the whole conference currently -- if any of these programs were worth that, they'd have offered the Big East more money.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 07:20 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The highest valued schools (from a TV perspective) in the "original nBE" were UConn, Rutgers, and Boise. The fourth school was either Houston or Louisville. I think that fourth school was Houston, and I was surprised Louisville wasn't in the top 4.

So it's not shocking that Houston is in Group A this time.

Louisville i think was headed to the ACC. I think thats why they were not in it.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 07:56 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 07:20 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The highest valued schools (from a TV perspective) in the "original nBE" were UConn, Rutgers, and Boise. The fourth school was either Houston or Louisville. I think that fourth school was Houston, and I was surprised Louisville wasn't in the top 4.

So it's not shocking that Houston is in Group A this time.

Louisville i think was headed to the ACC. I think thats why they were not in it.

No ... the list of top TV draws came out before there was any Louisville-to-the-ACC talk.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.
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(03-19-2013 08:39 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.

Then those schools win
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(03-19-2013 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:39 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.
Then those schools win
And the rest turn out to be big losers...
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 08:56 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:39 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.
Then those schools win
And the rest turn out to be big losers...

They're barely making more than CUSA now, so it would be hard to be "big" losers.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 09:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:56 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 08:39 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.
Then those schools win
And the rest turn out to be big losers...

They're barely making more than CUSA now, so it would be hard to be "big" losers.
"Big" is relative.

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(03-19-2013 06:08 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 05:21 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:53 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Who knows. I find it kind of interesting that Houston is on Group A list. They probably won't get the call to ACC, and are unlikely to go to B12 without defections. I can see Temple on the list though. Not sure why USF and UCF were put on group B. Maybe we're just reading too much into it.

Kinda surprised SMU wasn't as valued as much as UH.

I'm surprised houston was that high up, smu is probably at the bottom

Why the surprise?

UH doesn't pull in their market

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(03-19-2013 08:39 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  What happens if Temple/Uconn were to bolt to the ACC, then Cincy/Houston bolt to the Big-12. It would be very ESPN-like to pull such a stunt on the heels of such news.

I wouldn't mind Houston in the Big 12 but I just can't see that happening
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(03-19-2013 06:36 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 06:08 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 05:21 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:53 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Kinda surprised SMU wasn't as valued as much as UH.

I'm surprised houston was that high up, smu is probably at the bottom

Why the surprise?

UH doesn't pull in their market

Lol...you ain't got a clue. We have enough fans. When we do well, we sell out all home games. UTEP though should not be ragging on anyone. It's ok, you guys can finally win a few games when we leave

Can we just not argue with UTEP fans please? Give them crap like this and they start parading their 'attendance trophy'.
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(03-19-2013 03:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  NBC Sports Network's contract divided the league into Group A (Connecticut, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple) and Group B (the remaining members), sources said.

The media rights deal can be terminated if either two Group A schools leave or one Group A and one Group B school leave. If two Group B schools leave, the contract will be renegotiated, sources said. This does not include any schools that already have announced they are leaving, such as Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh or Syracuse.

A key element in the paragraph states the deal "can be" terminated rather than "will be" terminated.

If the Aresco League ends up a huge bust and Houston, SMU both move to the MW then ESPN could terminate. If however the Aresco League is a success led by strong performance of ECU and UCF football with a couple years on the contract its doubtful they would terminate if Houston and SMU left.

If 2 group B schools leave the contract will not under any circumstance be terminated but could be renegotiated if ESPN chooses. This is even less likely to be necessary following the departure of 2 group B schools.
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(03-19-2013 04:20 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 04:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 03:46 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  I posted this on the old BIG EAST boards as well.

Interesting to say the least. The Tier A teams are Cincinnati, Connecticut, Temple, and Houston. Two of the four teams are on the rumored next two in for realignment. No mentions of Central or South Florida. Two thoughts/questions on this.

1. Since ESPN holds all the cards, could they sink the conference by suggesting to the Big XII or ACC to take two of the Tier A teams? Thus making the contract null and void.

2. This thought is based on rumors flying around the internet that the Big XII is interested in adding Central Florida and South Florida which are Tier B schools. Would ESPN "allow" the Big XII to have them to have a greater tv audience in Florida for BIG XII games?

It seems with each passing day that ESPN is the sole responsible party for realignment.

Who knows. I find it kind of interesting that Houston is on Group A list. They probably won't get the call to ACC, and are unlikely to go to B12 without defections. I can see Temple on the list though. Not sure why USF and UCF were put on group B. Maybe we're just reading too much into it.

Kinda surprised SMU wasn't as valued as much as UH.

I am not. SMU hasn't won big since the 80's. They get enough residual value from the SWC era brand to elevate above most of "group b" but you need recent results and visible success. The Hawaii Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, Compass bowl, and the fact their big wins are on less available channels limits that.

I like SMU and they (like us) are making progress to regain what was lost. It just takes time and UH had a 5 year head start on SMU and made the most of it.
And they have much more support given their significantly larger enrollment.
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I'm adding "Group A" to the teams "I Root For:"

Done.
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RE: ESPN nbe deal needs UConn, UC, UH, Temple
(03-19-2013 10:43 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 03:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  NBC Sports Network's contract divided the league into Group A (Connecticut, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple) and Group B (the remaining members), sources said.

The media rights deal can be terminated if either two Group A schools leave or one Group A and one Group B school leave. If two Group B schools leave, the contract will be renegotiated, sources said. This does not include any schools that already have announced they are leaving, such as Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh or Syracuse.

A key element in the paragraph states the deal "can be" terminated rather than "will be" terminated.

If the Aresco League ends up a huge bust and Houston, SMU both move to the MW then ESPN could terminate. If however the Aresco League is a success led by strong performance of ECU and UCF football with a couple years on the contract its doubtful they would terminate if Houston and SMU left.

If 2 group B schools leave the contract will not under any circumstance be terminated but could be renegotiated if ESPN chooses. This is even less likely to be necessary following the departure of 2 group B schools.

That's the most realistic move for UH - if they move at all, the Mountain West Conference.
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