(03-18-2013 06:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I can see why the national GOP should drop the gay plank but Abortion?

Seems fitting that a party in part started to end the treatment of human being like property in the field should continue the fights to keep humans from being treated like medical waste in the womb.

It is a divisive subject that should not be high on their party platform. I'm sorry, in a time with these huge deficits and high jobless rates the party should be concentrating on those issues and not prioritizing, as usual, their stance on abortion and gay rights.

So was slavery....

Here is the thing.. You can sell an abandonment of the homosexuality plank to 99% of the party and they can stick around. Drop Abortion and watch 25% or more of the party go away. Right now I vote GOP about 75-80% of the time if they dropped their pro life stance that would go to 0%....

So you don't believe any of the free enterprise stuff and if you don't get your way on abortion then you are fine with socialism?

(03-18-2013 06:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:50 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:34 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:11 PM)dcCid Wrote:  Reb - why do you think that people wanting affordable healthcare are saying they want freebies? They are not asking for Tricare.

The Democratic Plan WILL NOT lead to "affordable healthcare"....... just watch it play out.

Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Why would the dems stop using gay rights against the GOP? It works.

My cousin is a flaming homosexual and hates every last single leftist out there. He actually has a brain and understands what the hell you clowns are doing.

Great sample size of one!

Obama won the gay vote 3 to 1 and 5% of voters self-identified as gay (you do the math on whether that means that they're over- or under-represented at the polls).


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/pol...ctory.html

I can't help the majority of gays aren't as smart as my cousin. I know plenty of conservative blacks and Hispanics but they can't help the majority of their little group are idiots either.

(03-18-2013 07:02 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:50 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:34 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  The Democratic Plan WILL NOT lead to "affordable healthcare"....... just watch it play out.

Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Why would the dems stop using gay rights against the GOP? It works.

My cousin is a flaming homosexual and hates every last single leftist out there. He actually has a brain and understands what the hell you clowns are doing.

Great sample size of one!

Obama won the gay vote 3 to 1 and 5% of voters self-identified as gay (you do the math on whether that means that they're over- or under-represented at the polls).


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/pol...ctory.html

I can't help the majority of gays aren't as smart as my cousin. I know plenty of conservative blacks and Hispanics but they can't help the majority of their little group are idiots either.

Minorities and poor people are generally stupid and both seem to love Obama. And Obama loves stupid poor people so much he's made millions more since he's been in office.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(03-18-2013 07:13 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:02 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:50 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:34 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Why would the dems stop using gay rights against the GOP? It works.

My cousin is a flaming homosexual and hates every last single leftist out there. He actually has a brain and understands what the hell you clowns are doing.

Great sample size of one!

Obama won the gay vote 3 to 1 and 5% of voters self-identified as gay (you do the math on whether that means that they're over- or under-represented at the polls).


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/pol...ctory.html

I can't help the majority of gays aren't as smart as my cousin. I know plenty of conservative blacks and Hispanics but they can't help the majority of their little group are idiots either.

Minorities and poor people are generally stupid and both seem to love Obama. And Obama loves stupid poor people so much he's made millions more since he's been in office.

Name me one politician whose personal fortune hasn't increased by a large factor while they were in office...

(03-18-2013 07:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:13 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 07:02 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:50 PM)maximus Wrote:  My cousin is a flaming homosexual and hates every last single leftist out there. He actually has a brain and understands what the hell you clowns are doing.

Great sample size of one!

Obama won the gay vote 3 to 1 and 5% of voters self-identified as gay (you do the math on whether that means that they're over- or under-represented at the polls).


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/us/pol...ctory.html

I can't help the majority of gays aren't as smart as my cousin. I know plenty of conservative blacks and Hispanics but they can't help the majority of their little group are idiots either.

Minorities and poor people are generally stupid and both seem to love Obama. And Obama loves stupid poor people so much he's made millions more since he's been in office.

Name me one politician whose personal fortune hasn't increased by a large factor while they were in office... :coffee3:

Uh, I meant he's made millions more poor people. You're right though.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Or abortion... it is idiotic. The Democrats keep it in the forefront because the Republicans continue to allow it to be an issue.

Exactly. They should REFUSE to be drawn into the debate on those subjects..... They are politicians........ just say " I really don't want to get into it - I'm going to talk about the economy....."

If they have to make a comment on gay stuff - just say "I think it's a states right issue." On abortion - "The supreme court has already acted on this topic." Period, end of story.

(03-18-2013 06:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I can see why the national GOP should drop the gay plank but Abortion?

Seems fitting that a party in part started to end the treatment of human being like property in the field should continue the fights to keep humans from being treated like medical waste in the womb.

It is a divisive subject that should not be high on their party platform. I'm sorry, in a time with these huge deficits and high jobless rates the party should be concentrating on those issues and not prioritizing, as usual, their stance on abortion and gay rights.

So was slavery....

Here is the thing.. You can sell an abandonment of the homosexuality plank to 99% of the party and they can stick around. Drop Abortion and watch 25% or more of the party go away. Right now I vote GOP about 75-80% of the time if they dropped their pro life stance that would go to 0%....

So what you've really stated is that you are a single issue voter. Nothing else really matters but this. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but from the "moment of conception" as well.....

Lend me your ears!

I think it's fairly simple and comes down to the point that gay marriage is no longer a winning topic for the Republican Party. Just take a libertarian stand and establish 'marriage' or 'civil unions' for heterosexuals and homosexuals and everyone in between. Granted, I know many GOPers who wouldn't be happy with that stance but I can assure they won't be running out to vote for the Democratic Party next election because of that policy switch either.

Oh, and about minorities voting for Obama: As a participant and co-leader in ODU's 'Voters Walk' I was amazed when many people were exclusively voting for our President because of his race. I would estimate that around ~20% of the minorities who participated that day did not have a clear, tangible reason that they voted for Obama and instead gave his African-American background as a reason. Granted, that is a reason to vote for a political candidate but, in my opinion, not a very good one.

Regardless, race is a reason people vote for candidates and that's for better or for worse.

(03-18-2013 04:11 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:29 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  I disagree. The GOP brings it up because they know they're losing on those issues now.

Because the issue now is "gimme some more teet! Want more, want more!"

Do you want them to put up electable alternatives to the Democrats, or not?

It's too late. They're whores just like the Prog politicians. It's WAY too late. I'm just preparing for the downfall.

Reb - why do you think that people wanting affordable healthcare are saying they want freebies? They are not asking for Tricare.

Neither am I. I didn't work for it, aka retire.

(03-18-2013 06:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I can see why the national GOP should drop the gay plank but Abortion?

Seems fitting that a party in part started to end the treatment of human being like property in the field should continue the fights to keep humans from being treated like medical waste in the womb.

It is a divisive subject that should not be high on their party platform. I'm sorry, in a time with these huge deficits and high jobless rates the party should be concentrating on those issues and not prioritizing, as usual, their stance on abortion and gay rights.

So was slavery....

Here is the thing.. You can sell an abandonment of the homosexuality plank to 99% of the party and they can stick around. Drop Abortion and watch 25% or more of the party go away. Right now I vote GOP about 75-80% of the time if they dropped their pro life stance that would go to 0%....

So you don't believe any of the free enterprise stuff and if you don't get your way on abortion then you are fine with socialism?

Yea I'm against babies getting killed, so I don't believe in free enterprise....

(03-18-2013 07:39 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 06:40 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:41 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I can see why the national GOP should drop the gay plank but Abortion?

Seems fitting that a party in part started to end the treatment of human being like property in the field should continue the fights to keep humans from being treated like medical waste in the womb.

It is a divisive subject that should not be high on their party platform. I'm sorry, in a time with these huge deficits and high jobless rates the party should be concentrating on those issues and not prioritizing, as usual, their stance on abortion and gay rights.

So was slavery....

Here is the thing.. You can sell an abandonment of the homosexuality plank to 99% of the party and they can stick around. Drop Abortion and watch 25% or more of the party go away. Right now I vote GOP about 75-80% of the time if they dropped their pro life stance that would go to 0%....

So what you've really stated is that you are a single issue voter. Nothing else really matters but this. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but from the "moment of conception" as well.....

No... What I am saying is one issue can cost you my vote when that issue is the legal murder of my fellow citizens at the whim of other citizens. Something about one persons right to swing their fist ending at anothers face right?

But one issue will not win my vote.

(03-18-2013 05:34 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:11 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:29 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:29 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Do you want them to put up electable alternatives to the Democrats, or not?

It's too late. They're whores just like the Prog politicians. It's WAY too late. I'm just preparing for the downfall.

Reb - why do you think that people wanting affordable healthcare are saying they want freebies? They are not asking for Tricare.

The Democratic Plan WILL NOT lead to "affordable healthcare"....... just watch it play out.

Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Why would the dems stop using gay rights against the GOP? It works.

Exactly. F*ck the economic viability of the nation; divide the country.

Honesty from a Prog. Such a rarity these days.

(03-18-2013 04:28 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:21 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:16 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:09 PM)dcCid Wrote:  As I have said before, I love it when Torch tries to be butch:)

What's that mean cid?

IN gay slang, butch is someone who tries to appear/act macho, or creates a macho physical appearance in the case of a lesbian.

And exactly how am I doing that cid?

1 Using terms and language to put someone down is often associated with taking control, which is "macho"
2 Usually right wingers get upset when a gay slang term is used to describe them, and I do have a "jerk" side.
3 Being a minority, I can use terms that if a right winger used them they would be called a bigot, an I know how that gets under their skin of right wingers (see the end of # 2 above)
4 Happy post St Patrick's day

Ok so I did exactly none of that (except the St Patrick's Day). I repeat my question, and pose one for you:

Why do you suppose all the gay people on this board, Paul, Atlantic Leage and rwt have put me on ignore?

(03-18-2013 06:54 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Great sample size of one!

I have 3 gay friends that cannot stand Obama. My company's FSO, a Democrat, has stated numerous times that the older she gets the more fiscally conservative she gets.

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Or abortion... it is idiotic. The Democrats keep it in the forefront because the Republicans continue to allow it to be an issue.

You're missing some key points here. Numerous Republican controlled state legislatures across the country are introducing stricter and stricter abortion bills just this year already. North Dakota and Arkansas to name two. These bills have zero to do with the Democrats.

(03-18-2013 03:29 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:25 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 03:23 PM)dcCid Wrote:  Where there is smoke there is fire. The GOP keeps bringing up race and class because they need to appeal to their bigot and worker exploitation wing to get any votes.

I disagree. The GOP brings it up because they know they're losing on those issues now.

Because the issue now is "gimme some more teet! Want more, want more!"

Do you want them to put up electable alternatives to the Democrats, or not?

(03-19-2013 09:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Or abortion... it is idiotic. The Democrats keep it in the forefront because the Republicans continue to allow it to be an issue.

You're missing some key points here. Numerous Republican controlled state legislatures across the country are introducing stricter and stricter abortion bills just this year already. North Dakota and Arkansas to name two. These bills have zero to do with the Democrats.

Maybe the folks in those 2 states WANT stricter rules. BTW, stricter rules doesn't mean it still can't be done.

Do you live in either Arkansas or North Dakota? If you do, then this actually effects you and you can be upset, fight against it, etc. to your hearts content. If you don't live in either of these states......... it really doesn't effect you AT ALL. Actually, if you do live in either of these states and hate the stricter rules, you could move from there. This is why most laws should be at the state level in the first place.

(03-18-2013 11:32 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  No... What I am saying is one issue can cost you my vote when that issue is the legal murder of my fellow citizens at the whim of other citizens. Something about one persons right to swing their fist ending at anothers face right?

But one issue will not win my vote.

So, in this case, you vote on a single issue. The candidate could be a strict socialist but if he is anti-abortion while the other candidate is pro-choice, you'd vote for the socialist.

Sorry, in the grand scheme of things I think abortion and gay rights are nothing more than distractions from the real issues. I would never want my significant other to have an abortion. I have 3 kids for that very reason (the 3rd being a complete surprise, albeit wonderful). That being said, if someone thinks that bringing a kid into the world that will not get the proper attention it deserves (of which we have too many of already) is a bad idea then I'm not going to judge them (as long as it is done in the first trimester). I'll allow that to take place post-mortem.

Same goes with gay... it is not my place to tell them how to live their lives. If they want to do that sort of thing, go for it. Once they meet their maker they'll have to explain themselves... not my place to judge them either.

Equating any of that to slavery is complete BS. We all know that every grown man (or woman) should have the same basic rights as a white man (or woman). Apples to oranges.

(03-19-2013 09:28 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 09:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 05:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Why any Republican get's caught up in the Gay rights stuff is beyond me. It should be about 20th on the list of important topics in America today. The only reason the Democrats keep it to the forefront is it means they don't have to actuallly solve anything important.

Or abortion... it is idiotic. The Democrats keep it in the forefront because the Republicans continue to allow it to be an issue.

You're missing some key points here. Numerous Republican controlled state legislatures across the country are introducing stricter and stricter abortion bills just this year already. North Dakota and Arkansas to name two. These bills have zero to do with the Democrats.

Maybe the folks in those 2 states WANT stricter rules. BTW, stricter rules doesn't mean it still can't be done.
Do you live in either Arkansas or North Dakota? If you do, then this actually effects you and you can be upset, fight against it, etc. to your hearts content. If you don't live in either of these states......... it really doesn't effect you AT ALL. Actually, if you do live in either of these states and hate the stricter rules, you could move from there. This is why most laws should be at the state level in the first place.

You are correct, they can have it done by a doctor in an alley with a clothes hanger. Much better option.