BE 8 (Louisville, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Marquette, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Villanova)
B1G 7 (Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin)
A10 5 (Saint Louis, Butler, La Salle, Temple, VCU)
B12 5 (Kansas, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
MWC 5 (New Mexico, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV)
P12 5 (Oregon, Arizona, California, Colorado, UCLA)
ACC 4 (Miami, Duke, NC State, North Carolina)
SEC 3 (Mississippi, Florida, Missouri)
MVC 2 (Creighton, Wichita State)
SBC 2 (WKU, Middle Tennessee)
WCC 2 (Gonzaga, Saint Mary's)
CUSA 1 (Memphis)

ACC 8 (Miami, Duke, NC State, North Carolina, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse)
B1G 7 (Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin)
BE 6 (Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Butler, Creighton, Saint Louis)
B12 5 (Kansas, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State)
MWC 5 (New Mexico, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV)
P12 5 (Oregon, Arizona, California, Colorado, UCLA)
SEC 3 (Mississippi, Florida, Missouri)
A12 3 (Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple)
A10 2 (La Salle, VCU)
WCC 2 (Gonzaga, Saint Mary's)
CUSA 1 (Middle Tennessee)
MVC 1 (Wichita State)
SBC 1 (WKU)

Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

2 things-
1- SLU not in new Big East. Creighton,Xavier, and Butler the 3 adds.
2- UConn would have been in, so I'd give that conference 4 bids instead of 3 for this exercise.

only 3 at large bids from outside the top 9 conferences, and in CUSA and MVC- MTSU and Wichita St would have claimed the auto bid. So really only St Mary's. You could make a case now that WCC is #10 so then not a single at large bid outside the top 10 conferences.

Interesting to look at, although obviously for the revised conferences, you never know how a "new" conference schedule will play out in real life.

What jumps out at me from that list is that ACC expansion has clearly been about basketball.

(03-18-2013 09:10 AM)stever20 Wrote:  2 things-
1- SLU not in new Big East. Creighton,Xavier, and Butler the 3 adds.
2- UConn would have been in, so I'd give that conference 4 bids instead of 3 for this exercise.

only 3 at large bids from outside the top 9 conferences, and in CUSA and MVC- MTSU and Wichita St would have claimed the auto bid. So really only St Mary's. You could make a case now that WCC is #10 so then not a single at large bid outside the top 10 conferences.

Wrestled with where to place SLU. Since I'm looking at 2014-15 for the ACC and A12, I thought it would be more useful to put SLU in their most likely 2014-15 home. Assuming the BE stayed at 10, 5 bids/10 schools is basically the same as 6 bids/12 schools.

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

ACC 3 (Virginia, Maryland, Florida State)
A10 3 (St. Joseph's, Massachusetts, Charlotte)
P12 3 (Arizona State, Washington, Stanford)
SEC 3 (Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee)
BE 2 (Providence, St. John's)
B12 1 (Baylor)
B1G 1 (Iowa)
CUSA 1 (Southern Miss)
MVC 1 (Indiana State)
WCC 1 (BYU)


P12 3 (Arizona State, Washington, Stanford)
SEC 3 (Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee)
ACC 2 (Virginia, Florida State)
A10 2 (St. Joseph's, Massachusetts)
BE 2 (Providence, St. John's)
B1G 2 (Maryland, Iowa)
CUSA 2 (Southern Miss, Charlotte)
B12 1 (Baylor)
MVC 1 (Indiana State)
WCC 1 (BYU)

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

Lol....thier situation in terms of conference NCAA bids is identical to what it would have been if they had not split. The C-7 based Big East will have 6 NCAA bids. The unnamed conference has just 3 NCAA bids--but had the C-7 stayed, the conference would have had 6 NCAA bids as well. Also, keep in mind UConn was not eligible this year.

Blaudschun reported that one of Arescos proposed plans to keep the C7 would have divided the nBE into two divisions. One division would have been all C7 schools plus Temple and UConn. The other division would have been all newbies plus Butler and probably Xavier. There would have been little crossover play. That would have been an outstanding basketball conference. That would be 7 bids this year and an easy consistent 7/8 bid conference. Not bad a all.

(03-18-2013 09:16 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  What jumps out at me from that list is that ACC expansion has clearly been about basketball.

There is nothing wrong with that.

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

what's the deal with tallgrass and the Nbe/A12?

(03-18-2013 09:48 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:16 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  What jumps out at me from that list is that ACC expansion has clearly been about basketball.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Except that it will drive away the football schools to other conferences.

(03-18-2013 09:48 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:16 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  What jumps out at me from that list is that ACC expansion has clearly been about basketball.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Not really saying there is, so long as they don't lose sight of keeping football up to speed with the other conferences.

The other thing with ACC expansion is that they basically expanded with who was available regardless of either football or basketball. It's not like SEC or B1G schools were going to be joining.

(03-18-2013 10:28 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:48 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:16 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  What jumps out at me from that list is that ACC expansion has clearly been about basketball.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Except that it will drive away the football schools to other conferences.

Not sure why being good at basketball should affect the more football-oriented members. The conference has to be good at football too. It will be, and UL, SU and Pitt will contribute to that.

(03-18-2013 09:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

Lol....thier situation in terms of conference NCAA bids is identical to what it would have been if they had not split. The C-7 based Big East will have 6 NCAA bids. The unnamed conference has just 3 NCAA bids--but had the C-7 stayed, the conference would have had 6 NCAA bids as well. Also, keep in mind UConn was not eligible this year.

Blaudschun reported that one of Arescos proposed plans to keep the C7 would have divided the nBE into two divisions. One division would have been all C7 schools plus Temple and UConn. The other division would have been all newbies plus Butler and probably Xavier. There would have been little crossover play. That would have been an outstanding basketball conference. That would be 7 bids this year and an easy consistent 7/8 bid conference. Not bad a all.

C7/BE = $3M FOX contract plus ooodles of basketball appearances. With this foundation, C7/BE as a conference will "power up" (Arseco term I borrowed) and the invited C7/BE schools will undoubtedly recruit better and be even stronger.

Nbe/Arseco12 doesn't have these adavantages and the question is: Will Cincy and UConn basketball and football deteoriate in Nbe/A12? Cincy has been hit by a doubly whammy, losing BE Catholic schools and then having them playing crosstown rival Xavier.

Interesting that the tournament expands to 68 and none of the last 5 in were from major conferences-Wichita St., St. Mary's, Boise ST., Middle Tennessee and LaSalle.

(03-18-2013 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting that the tournament expands to 68 and none of the last 5 in were from major conferences-Wichita St., St. Mary's, Boise ST., Middle Tennessee and LaSalle.

And the team with the biggest gripe is Southern Miss...

Looks like the talent is being spread more and more.

(03-18-2013 12:04 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 11:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting that the tournament expands to 68 and none of the last 5 in were from major conferences-Wichita St., St. Mary's, Boise ST., Middle Tennessee and LaSalle.

And the team with the biggest gripe is Southern Miss...

Looks like the talent is being spread more and more.

Last in appears to be LaSalle. 21-9, 40 RPI, 81 SOS, 2-4 vs top 50, 3-4 vs 2nd 50. Best RPI win Butler, #20. 1 loss to teams over 150

Next to last in MTSU. 28-5, 28 RPI, 135 SOS, 1-3 vs top 50, 0-0 vs 2nd 50. Best RPI win Ole Miss #48. 1 loss to team over 150.

First out likely UK. 21-11 56 RPI, 76 SOS, 3-4 vs top 50 (3 losses were top 10), 4-5 vs. 2nd 50. Best RPI win Florida, #9. No loss to teams over 150. I think they got dropped because Noel was injured. They actually had 2 top 50 wins after he was injured.

USM 25-9, 34 RPI, 66 SOS, 0-5 vs top 50, 3-2 vs 2nd 50. Best RPI win Denver, #69. 1 loss to teams over 150.

UVA 21-11, 74 RPI, 130 SOS, 4-3 vs top 50, 4-1 vs 2nd 50. Best RPI win Duke, #1. But 4 losses to teams over 150.

UNC was an 8 seed. 23-10. 2-7 vs top 50 (5 losses top 10), 7-1 vs. 2nd 50. Best RPI win UNLV, #22. No losses to teams over 150.

Last in was MTSU
next to last was LaSalle
Then St Mary's
Then Boise(if Oregon had lost to UCLA, Boise doesn't have a play in game)

(03-18-2013 10:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

Lol....thier situation in terms of conference NCAA bids is identical to what it would have been if they had not split. The C-7 based Big East will have 6 NCAA bids. The unnamed conference has just 3 NCAA bids--but had the C-7 stayed, the conference would have had 6 NCAA bids as well. Also, keep in mind UConn was not eligible this year.

Blaudschun reported that one of Arescos proposed plans to keep the C7 would have divided the nBE into two divisions. One division would have been all C7 schools plus Temple and UConn. The other division would have been all newbies plus Butler and probably Xavier. There would have been little crossover play. That would have been an outstanding basketball conference. That would be 7 bids this year and an easy consistent 7/8 bid conference. Not bad a all.

C7/BE = $3M FOX contract plus ooodles of basketball appearances. With this foundation, C7/BE as a conference will "power up" (Arseco term I borrowed) and the invited C7/BE schools will undoubtedly recruit better and be even stronger.

Nbe/Arseco12 doesn't have these adavantages and the question is: Will Cincy and UConn basketball and football deteoriate in Nbe/A12? Cincy has been hit by a doubly whammy, losing BE Catholic schools and then having them playing crosstown rival Xavier.

Its very possible losing the name will hurt those schools. That said, they will have pletny of appearances on ESPN and the CBS broadcast network (not CBS-Sports). The basketball flagship schools from the unnamed conference should do quite well with that level of exposure. The newbies, will likley get few TV appearances and little bump from the new conference since the new name will not be familar to recruits and will have no real cache with these kids.

I think the biggest problem the C7 will have is say they remain 10 teams and get 6 schools in the tourney. The perception, right or wrong, will be that it's a letdown from the era that is ending. Esp. if the ACC is getting in 8 teams a year or more.

(03-18-2013 09:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:03 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Interesting post. Thanks for working this up for us. Can you work up NIT?

Looks like ACC and C7/12 are winners here. C7/12 in that they didnt allow their situation to deteoriate in Nbe/A12.

Lol....thier situation in terms of conference NCAA bids is identical to what it would have been if they had not split. The C-7 based Big East will have 6 NCAA bids. The unnamed conference has just 3 NCAA bids--but had the C-7 stayed, the conference would have had 6 NCAA bids as well. Also, keep in mind UConn was not eligible this year.

6/18 is a little different than 6/12. (Or 5/10, if we don't count SLU yet).

Stever, yes, the ACC has taken the mantle of Premier Basketball Conference. But as long as we're sending about half of our teams every year, we're in the conversation with them.