Which makes exactly the bowl season irrelevant. Honestly guys, do you think schools like Gonzaga, Butler, etc would even have a chance if March Madness was modeled after college football? Absolutely not.

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:30 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The MAC and PCAC being IA back then really is a flaw in my argument. I realize that. If you look at my posts, I seldom have nice things to say about the MAC, and this is why. They were the original IA impostor, and just as the SBC cheapens FBS now, the MAC (and, to a lesser extent, the PCAC /Big West) did it back then.

The SEC fans hated that '84 championship, but it's a done deal. There's no other claimant that I know of.

Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

They do if they bid a little higher on the next Cam Newton and go undefeated.

(03-19-2013 12:42 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Which makes exactly the bowl season irrelevant. Honestly guys, do you think schools like Gonzaga, Butler, etc would even have a chance if March Madness was modeled after college football? Absolutely not.

Which is one reason that there are thoughts of remaking college basketball in the image of college football, with only large state schools in power conferences plus maybe a handful of others.

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:30 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The MAC and PCAC being IA back then really is a flaw in my argument. I realize that. If you look at my posts, I seldom have nice things to say about the MAC, and this is why. They were the original IA impostor, and just as the SBC cheapens FBS now, the MAC (and, to a lesser extent, the PCAC /Big West) did it back then.

The SEC fans hated that '84 championship, but it's a done deal. There's no other claimant that I know of.

Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:30 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The MAC and PCAC being IA back then really is a flaw in my argument. I realize that. If you look at my posts, I seldom have nice things to say about the MAC, and this is why. They were the original IA impostor, and just as the SBC cheapens FBS now, the MAC (and, to a lesser extent, the PCAC /Big West) did it back then.

The SEC fans hated that '84 championship, but it's a done deal. There's no other claimant that I know of.

Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

USM ending up where it has had nothing to do with the Sunbelt, or the MAC. BTW, Indiana and Kansas will never win the National Championship in football either. Their football is on a par with mid-level MAC and Sunbelt teams. Besides, the MAC's hardly an upstart, they've been around since the late 40s.

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

2004 Auburn goes undefeated, not on probation and doesn't get to play in the national championship game...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3403882

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

My aren't you arrogant yet ignorant twit. Southern Miss moved to major college athletics a whole 10 years before Arkansas State. Your superiority rains down upon us. Why you stomped all over us by a combined 7 points the last two times we've met, the two biggest margins of victory ever 35 points in 1980 and 25 in 1963 when USM was the then equivalent of Division I and ASU then equivalent of Division II. The remainder of the 11 games were all very close. But we've been humbled in basketball you hold a dominanting 14-13 lead.

Get over yourself. Preening arrogance is disgusting.

(03-19-2013 03:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

My aren't you arrogant yet ignorant twit. Southern Miss moved to major college athletics a whole 10 years before Arkansas State. Your superiority rains down upon us. Why you stomped all over us by a combined 7 points the last two times we've met, the two biggest margins of victory ever 35 points in 1980 and 25 in 1963 when USM was the then equivalent of Division I and ASU then equivalent of Division II. The remainder of the 11 games were all very close. But we've been humbled in basketball you hold a dominanting 14-13 lead.

Get over yourself. Preening arrogance is disgusting.

His arrogance has been disgusting for some time and fortunately most USM fans don't share it that I have seen. He ignores losses USM has had to MAC teams but loves to share that they beat Ohio recently. He loves to mock the fact that the MAC got stuck in the California Raisin Bowl back when the MAC was at its worst, but ignores the time when the MAC played in the Tangerine bowl (which USM has played in though he probably considers it a decent bowl when they play there) beating big name SEC teams like Georgia and Florida. He also likes to ignore why the MAC had trouble getting to bigger bowls back then. We are not in the south or the west so we are not going to be geographically inclined towards bowls and we are not the big name schools in our state so why would a bowl hundreds of miles away take a chance on a MAC team when they can get some similar school much closer to home? I am sure he would love to tell you all the times USM has been ranked but will ignore all the times a MAC team has been ranked which did happen back in the day with top 20 rankings and finishes (and recently as well).

He is right on one thing though and that is the 80s and early/mid 90s was a bad time for the MAC in football. Thankfully since then the MAC has been very competitive (with of course some years being better than others) though I am not going to say dominant or anything.

(03-18-2013 01:49 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 01:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 01:06 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I have a difficult time understanding (or supporting) any CFB championship system other than the original system where the media just voted after the bowls. I'm completely against a playoff. Extra late-season games just favor the SEC even more, because of their depth advantage. That conference's power teams have figured out how to game the system such that they can carry more scholarship-caliber players than anyone else. It's called "grayshirting" and it's possible because of the high value that southern recruits attach to playing in the SEC.

Mike Slive et al. have no doubt sold the playoff concept as "fair," and mid-major fans seem to me to be embracing this vision. It's a trap, though. The likelihood of any mid-major football team going on a March Madness-style Cinderella run in football is remote. Football is not basketball. And frankly, I don't want "fair," I want a system where my school has better postseason options. "Fair" looks like Alabama /Auburn/LSU every year.

As it it currently stands, you are likley correct. I think the mid-major thinking is that once the sytem is installed, expansion is going to happen. First to 8 then maybe everntually to 16. Basically, its the classic camels nose argument.

Let's say we get a 16-team playoff. It would take four games to win it all. An SEC team is more likely to have the depth to manage that than any other team, because of grayshirting. Teams that could have beaten, say, Bama on week one won't be able to on week 15 or 16 because SEC teams are deeper (because of grayshirting). The bigger the playoff, the greater the pro-SEC bias.

The best scenario for a mid-major team to win the national championship was the old way, i.e. the way that BYU did it. My thought is that there should be enough parity in FBS that if you go undefeated, you win it all. If it weren't for the MAC, Banowsky's indiscriminate expansion, the SBC, and all the other wannabes, we could handle things that way. Everyone would be better off, except the SEC (anda bunch of bottomfeeders who ought to be FCS anyway).

The lure of the SEC, or any AQ conference is diminished if the playoff is more open. If a 16 team playoff exists, then the SEC isnt going to have big time recruits stacked like cord wood out behind the shed. Those recruits can actually get on the field and compete for a championship rather than work thier way way up a ridiculous 6-deep depth chart. The depth of the SEC will still be an advantage, but the advantage will be reduced. I will just take a little luck on the injury side of the equation for the non-AQ schools---it always takes a little luck on the injury front anyway. Always has.

M

(03-19-2013 03:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

My aren't you arrogant yet ignorant twit. Southern Miss moved to major college athletics a whole 10 years before Arkansas State. Your superiority rains down upon us. Why you stomped all over us by a combined 7 points the last two times we've met, the two biggest margins of victory ever 35 points in 1980 and 25 in 1963 when USM was the then equivalent of Division I and ASU then equivalent of Division II. The remainder of the 11 games were all very close. But we've been humbled in basketball you hold a dominanting 14-13 lead.

Get over yourself. Preening arrogance is disgusting.

You're the one calling people names.

ASU joined IA circa 1990. USM has been IA since there was a IA, and we were just plain DI before that. So I'm not sure where you got that ten year figure. It's misleading at best, and more likely just a flat-out lie that you hoped would go unrefuted.

You made this ugly... so let's both get ugly. When you joined IA in 1990, USM had already been to two Sun Bowls and a Capital One bowl. We were trying to build a team that could compete at the highest level. ASU has NEVER aspired to that and never will. USM may be a crappy, wannabe major program, but you're not even that. If we're the Minnesota Twins, you're the New Orleans Zephyrs and you don't even take any shame it. You put all that horse crap in your signature about what a nice little college town experience it is in whatever hellhole it is that ASU occupies... man, that's not what this should be about, and it's not what USM is about. We're about crushing skulls and humiliating our opponents. Your own thought process proves to me that you're not even on the same planet as USM.

I agree with Andre on one thing, arkstfan. You were calling him names. If you can't keep it civil, then keep it quiet. That goes for you too, Andre...

(03-20-2013 10:31 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  M

(03-19-2013 03:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

My aren't you arrogant yet ignorant twit. Southern Miss moved to major college athletics a whole 10 years before Arkansas State. Your superiority rains down upon us. Why you stomped all over us by a combined 7 points the last two times we've met, the two biggest margins of victory ever 35 points in 1980 and 25 in 1963 when USM was the then equivalent of Division I and ASU then equivalent of Division II. The remainder of the 11 games were all very close. But we've been humbled in basketball you hold a dominanting 14-13 lead.

Get over yourself. Preening arrogance is disgusting.

You're the one calling people names.

ASU joined IA circa 1990. USM has been IA since there was a IA, and we were just plain DI before that. So I'm not sure where you got that ten year figure. It's misleading at best, and more likely just a flat-out lie that you hoped would go unrefuted.

You made this ugly... so let's both get ugly. When you joined IA in 1990, USM had already been to two Sun Bowls and a Capital One bowl. We were trying to build a team that could compete at the highest level. ASU has NEVER aspired to that and never will. USM may be a crappy, wannabe major program, but you're not even that. If we're the Minnesota Twins, you're the New Orleans Zephyrs and you don't even take any shame it. You put all that horse crap in your signature about what a nice little college town experience it is in whatever hellhole it is that ASU occupies... man, that's not what this should be about, and it's not what USM is about. We're about crushing skulls and humiliating our opponents. Your own thought process proves to me that you're not even on the same planet as USM.

I don't understand what ASU, MAC, etc has to do with USM not achieving their dreams. Sometimes you're just not situated in the right place. Heck, look at Idaho.

(03-20-2013 01:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-20-2013 10:31 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  M

(03-19-2013 03:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Champagne breaking out at Auburn upon declaration of a retroactive national title.

OK, several SEC teams have gone undefeated and not won anything because they were on probation. Do I have to spell out everything for you? I should maybe also mention that if an SEC team finishes 0-0-12 (can that still happen?), they might not win it all despite technically being undefeated.

I don't know why you're arguing with me. You've basically won. Your school, abetted by Karl Benson, Mike Slive, and ESPN, has successfully engineered equality with mine. We fought for decades to climb to legitimacy, and yet the way things are, the average fan probably doesn't know the difference between us, and may even think we're in the same conference. I hereby give you a sarcastic round of slow applause. Of course, you really didn't climb up... you just dragged us (among others) down to your level, and now none of us will ever accomplish anything.

Bravo.

My aren't you arrogant yet ignorant twit. Southern Miss moved to major college athletics a whole 10 years before Arkansas State. Your superiority rains down upon us. Why you stomped all over us by a combined 7 points the last two times we've met, the two biggest margins of victory ever 35 points in 1980 and 25 in 1963 when USM was the then equivalent of Division I and ASU then equivalent of Division II. The remainder of the 11 games were all very close. But we've been humbled in basketball you hold a dominanting 14-13 lead.

Get over yourself. Preening arrogance is disgusting.

You're the one calling people names.

ASU joined IA circa 1990. USM has been IA since there was a IA, and we were just plain DI before that. So I'm not sure where you got that ten year figure. It's misleading at best, and more likely just a flat-out lie that you hoped would go unrefuted.

You made this ugly... so let's both get ugly. When you joined IA in 1990, USM had already been to two Sun Bowls and a Capital One bowl. We were trying to build a team that could compete at the highest level. ASU has NEVER aspired to that and never will. USM may be a crappy, wannabe major program, but you're not even that. If we're the Minnesota Twins, you're the New Orleans Zephyrs and you don't even take any shame it. You put all that horse crap in your signature about what a nice little college town experience it is in whatever hellhole it is that ASU occupies... man, that's not what this should be about, and it's not what USM is about. We're about crushing skulls and humiliating our opponents. Your own thought process proves to me that you're not even on the same planet as USM.

I don't understand what ASU, MAC, etc has to do with USM not achieving their dreams. Sometimes you're just not situated in the right place. Heck, look at Idaho.

It apparently was ASU's fault that USM played poorly last season and our own rise in perception has nothing to do with winning 10 games back to back and putting 26K in the stands. We dragged them down somehow.

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:30 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  The MAC and PCAC being IA back then really is a flaw in my argument. I realize that. If you look at my posts, I seldom have nice things to say about the MAC, and this is why. They were the original IA impostor, and just as the SBC cheapens FBS now, the MAC (and, to a lesser extent, the PCAC /Big West) did it back then.

The SEC fans hated that '84 championship, but it's a done deal. There's no other claimant that I know of.

Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Duh. You really think Vandy, Miss. St., Ole Miss, UK, etc. are going to win a national title in football? I stand by my statement.

(03-20-2013 03:56 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:39 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:37 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Please oh great enlightened one pray tell how does Arkansas State winning 20 of the last 26, with the second longest winning streak in the nation, and 26,000 customers in the stands "cheapen" FBS football?

I say that because ASU will never win a top-tier championship under the current system, and everyone knows it, and that cheapens the "FBS" designation.

In 1984, if a team went undefeated, it got 1st place votes... with the possible exception of the MAC/PCAC.

Half of the teams in the SEC will never win the championship either.

If an SEC team goes undefeated, it'll win an undisputed national championship.

Duh.

Duh. You really think Vandy, Miss. St., Ole Miss, UK, etc. are going to win a national title in football? I stand by my statement.

Actually Ole Miss has won before (I think twice) granted I think that was back in the 50s. They have not been really good since then for the most part though they have been great spoilers in the SEC many times. I actually think that has benefited programs like USM and ECU since they are in states where their native big name programs have not been that relevant in football ever or in a very long time.