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(03-21-2013 12:24 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Both 5/3rd Field and the Huntington Center have been great additions to the city!!! I don't think the Huntington Center is too small. It is the right size and has attracted the right acts to a city with Toledo's size. You are not going to draw the same acts to Toledo that you are going to draw to Detroit, Cleveland, etc... My only complaint about the Huntington Center, is that the seats are too small and too tight together. (Would like to have a scoreboard over center ice, as opposed to on the wall at one end.) Nothing bad to say about 5/3rd, except I would like to see more baseball related stats. The remodel of Savage has been great. Would love to see a new baseball facility on Campus at UT, but that costs $$$, don't see it happening anytime soon.

The reason they put the scoreboard over the end, and not above center ice/court, was because of the arena football team that was going to play there. An overheard scoreboard would not fit in that size of an arena with arena football playing.
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(03-21-2013 12:51 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:24 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Both 5/3rd Field and the Huntington Center have been great additions to the city!!! I don't think the Huntington Center is too small. It is the right size and has attracted the right acts to a city with Toledo's size. You are not going to draw the same acts to Toledo that you are going to draw to Detroit, Cleveland, etc... My only complaint about the Huntington Center, is that the seats are too small and too tight together. (Would like to have a scoreboard over center ice, as opposed to on the wall at one end.) Nothing bad to say about 5/3rd, except I would like to see more baseball related stats. The remodel of Savage has been great. Would love to see a new baseball facility on Campus at UT, but that costs $$$, don't see it happening anytime soon.

The reason they put the scoreboard over the end, and not above center ice/court, was because of the arena football team that was going to play there. An overheard scoreboard would not fit in that size of an arena with arena football playing.

I know, but the fact that the Bullfrogs never played a down in that arena, makes that decision as bad as the one at BGSUcks.
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(03-21-2013 01:50 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:51 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:24 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Both 5/3rd Field and the Huntington Center have been great additions to the city!!! I don't think the Huntington Center is too small. It is the right size and has attracted the right acts to a city with Toledo's size. You are not going to draw the same acts to Toledo that you are going to draw to Detroit, Cleveland, etc... My only complaint about the Huntington Center, is that the seats are too small and too tight together. (Would like to have a scoreboard over center ice, as opposed to on the wall at one end.) Nothing bad to say about 5/3rd, except I would like to see more baseball related stats. The remodel of Savage has been great. Would love to see a new baseball facility on Campus at UT, but that costs $$$, don't see it happening anytime soon.

The reason they put the scoreboard over the end, and not above center ice/court, was because of the arena football team that was going to play there. An overheard scoreboard would not fit in that size of an arena with arena football playing.

I know, but the fact that the Bullfrogs never played a down in that arena, makes that decision as bad as the one at BGSUcks.

IIRC, it wasn't announced that the Bulldogs wouldn't play until after the arena was built (or close to being finished). And I bet they are still trying to get an arena team there considering they alerady have all the supplies needed for an arena team.
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(03-21-2013 02:02 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 01:50 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:51 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:24 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Both 5/3rd Field and the Huntington Center have been great additions to the city!!! I don't think the Huntington Center is too small. It is the right size and has attracted the right acts to a city with Toledo's size. You are not going to draw the same acts to Toledo that you are going to draw to Detroit, Cleveland, etc... My only complaint about the Huntington Center, is that the seats are too small and too tight together. (Would like to have a scoreboard over center ice, as opposed to on the wall at one end.) Nothing bad to say about 5/3rd, except I would like to see more baseball related stats. The remodel of Savage has been great. Would love to see a new baseball facility on Campus at UT, but that costs $$$, don't see it happening anytime soon.

The reason they put the scoreboard over the end, and not above center ice/court, was because of the arena football team that was going to play there. An overheard scoreboard would not fit in that size of an arena with arena football playing.

I know, but the fact that the Bullfrogs never played a down in that arena, makes that decision as bad as the one at BGSUcks.

IIRC, it wasn't announced that the Bulldogs wouldn't play until after the arena was built (or close to being finished). And I bet they are still trying to get an arena team there considering they alerady have all the supplies needed for an arena team.

Correct. It is the fact that arena football is a joke, and I don't like the fact that they compromised, but putting a video board on the wall, versus a scoreboard in the middle of the arena. I understand & know why they did, I never liked that idea from the beginning.
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(03-21-2013 02:02 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 01:50 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:51 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 12:24 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  Both 5/3rd Field and the Huntington Center have been great additions to the city!!! I don't think the Huntington Center is too small. It is the right size and has attracted the right acts to a city with Toledo's size. You are not going to draw the same acts to Toledo that you are going to draw to Detroit, Cleveland, etc... My only complaint about the Huntington Center, is that the seats are too small and too tight together. (Would like to have a scoreboard over center ice, as opposed to on the wall at one end.) Nothing bad to say about 5/3rd, except I would like to see more baseball related stats. The remodel of Savage has been great. Would love to see a new baseball facility on Campus at UT, but that costs $$$, don't see it happening anytime soon.

The reason they put the scoreboard over the end, and not above center ice/court, was because of the arena football team that was going to play there. An overheard scoreboard would not fit in that size of an arena with arena football playing.

I know, but the fact that the Bullfrogs never played a down in that arena, makes that decision as bad as the one at BGSUcks.

IIRC, it wasn't announced that the Bulldogs wouldn't play until after the arena was built (or close to being finished). And I bet they are still trying to get an arena team there considering they alerady have all the supplies needed for an arena team.


doesnt have to be arena league............theres at least 5 indoor football leagues right now. so toledo is kinda messing it up.
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huntington center is far too small when a city like youngstown builds a much larger arena and gets better acts. "overbuilding for the market" was a terrible way of saying 'we're toledo and we are cheap....lets line city leaders pockets first'
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(03-21-2013 09:25 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  huntington center is far too small when a city like youngstown builds a much larger arena and gets better acts. "overbuilding for the market" was a terrible way of saying 'we're toledo and we are cheap....lets line city leaders pockets first'

Did you mean Dayton? Best I could find on Youngstown was a 5900 seat arena.
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(03-21-2013 09:35 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 09:25 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  huntington center is far too small when a city like youngstown builds a much larger arena and gets better acts. "overbuilding for the market" was a terrible way of saying 'we're toledo and we are cheap....lets line city leaders pockets first'

Did you mean Dayton? Best I could find on Youngstown was a 5900 seat arena.


my mistake on that one lol. i was thinking of both at the same time. but youngstown's arena had u2 a few years ago...........so toledo isnt doing somethin they should.
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(03-21-2013 09:20 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  doesnt have to be arena league............theres at least 5 indoor football leagues right now. so toledo is kinda messing it up.

The other arena football leagues are pretty weak. I feel like one of those leagues would be a failure...which I'm sure you would like because then you could try and trash the Huntington Center again. You are the only person I have heard complain about the Huntington Center by saying it is a failure, not successful, or whatever you want to call it. The only other complaints I've heard are the seat sizes (and the thing is, the HC's seats are either the average size for arenas, or bigger than the average size, so there is really nothing wrong with them) and the scoreboard issue.
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(03-21-2013 09:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 09:20 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  doesnt have to be arena league............theres at least 5 indoor football leagues right now. so toledo is kinda messing it up.

The other arena football leagues are pretty weak. I feel like one of those leagues would be a failure...which I'm sure you would like because then you could try and trash the Huntington Center again. You are the only person I have heard complain about the Huntington Center by saying it is a failure, not successful, or whatever you want to call it. The only other complaints I've heard are the seat sizes (and the thing is, the HC's seats are either the average size for arenas, or bigger than the average size, so there is really nothing wrong with them) and the scoreboard issue.


lets start small because we all know toledo is leary of supporting new things. maybe once they prove they can go see a football game, they'll move to another league.



trash the huntington center? you have no idea who i am and how long i've been pining away to get the arena here.


i kept in close contact with the county commisioner BEFORE the arena downtown was even a thought and i was a firm supporter of it.


i just thought they dropped the ball by trying to shoehorn it into a small space when there is plenty of land immediately around the area.
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(03-21-2013 09:46 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  lets start small because we all know toledo is leary of supporting new things. maybe once they prove they can go see a football game, they'll move to another league.

People were definitely going to support the arena team. They had sold about the same number of arena football season tickets as they had sold for the Walleye, and that was before it was announced that football would not be played.

And I believe the amount of season tickets that were sold was more than the average attendance for almost all the AF2 football teams at that time.
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5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!
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(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.
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(03-22-2013 03:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.



pretty easy to see my complaint, i said it before.....they wont use it for anything else besides baseball. not concerts, nothing.
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im criticizing the city, not ut. 5/3 and huntington were built with city funds so huntington could get naming rights and overload 'free' tickets to employess which further drives up prices. in the end, toledo realizes they got screwed and they cant get outta the deal.
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The Lucas County Board of Commissioners owns 5/3 Field, The Huntington Center, The Toledo Walleye, and The Toledo Mud Hens. Not the City of Toledo. Want proof??? look at the security inside. County Deputy Sheriffs, not City of Toledo PD......

5/3 Field can be expaned if necessary. They can take out the picnic areas if they "had to" but don't want to. Also can add another deck above the suites.

The Huntington was built about 3,000-4,000 seats too small.
It still would be a great place for UT's Men's & Women's Varsity Hockey teams to play. All UT would need to do is build a rink like the Ice House or Tam'O'Shanter on campus for practice and to rent out to some local teams looking for ice time.
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(03-22-2013 03:21 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  
(03-22-2013 03:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.



pretty easy to see my complaint, i said it before.....they wont use it for anything else besides baseball. not concerts, nothing.

Does that have something to do with the design of it? The location" Or is it the management?
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(03-22-2013 03:21 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  
(03-22-2013 03:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.



pretty easy to see my complaint, i said it before.....they wont use it for anything else besides baseball. not concerts, nothing.

And how many other baseball stadiums are used for anything else besides baseball? Not many. Sure, there are some that are used for a concert once every few years. But that is what the Huntington Center is for. The only time that 5/3 could really be used for anything else is during the winter, and that just won' work. They are not going to host a concert or monster trucks or motocross or anything like that during baseball season because it will tear up the field. So, realistically, there is no time for anything other than baseball. (and the Mud Hens do not have a big enough grounds crew or resources like MLB teams have to be able to host a concert on the field, then fix it up, during the season).
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(03-22-2013 04:20 PM)Terry Wrote:  
crusher38 Wrote:im criticizing the city, not ut. 5/3 and huntington were built with city funds so huntington could get naming rights and overload 'free' tickets to employess which further drives up prices. in the end, toledo realizes they got screwed and they cant get outta the deal.



The Lucas County Board of Commissioners owns 5/3 Field, The Huntington Center, The Toledo Walleye, and The Toledo Mud Hens. Not the City of Toledo. Want proof??? look at the security inside. County Deputy Sheriffs, not City of Toledo PD......

5/3 Field can be expaned if necessary. They can take out the picnic areas if they "had to" but don't want to. Also can add another deck above the suites.

The Huntington was built about 3,000-4,000 seats too small.
It still would be a great place for UT's Men's & Women's Varsity Hockey teams to play. All UT would need to do is build a rink like the Ice House or Tam'O'Shanter on campus for practice and to rent out to some local teams looking for ice time.

I like that idea! I wish UT would get a hockey team. I feel like the city of Toledo would support it well - look at how well the Walleye draws, and even bgSUCKS (they've averaged 2,000+ the past 6 years).
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(03-22-2013 04:37 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-22-2013 03:21 PM)crusher38 Wrote:  
(03-22-2013 03:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.



pretty easy to see my complaint, i said it before.....they wont use it for anything else besides baseball. not concerts, nothing.

Does that have something to do with the design of it? The location" Or is it the management?




who knows. i dont work for the organization that owns it.


i just know theres money to be made and they wont do it. lots of summer concerts can be held there instead of the zoo which is far outdated
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(03-22-2013 03:17 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(03-21-2013 11:37 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  5/3 field is a state-of-the-art stadium. I have absolutely nothing to complain about that beauty. How many minor league stadiums do you know of that you can walk around the entire stadium, which is a big, big win in my books. And the concessions are very good! As far as the Huntington Center goes, it's nice. Nothing too special. But definitely modern looking and classy. Not a huge fan of the location, seems kind of hidden and I also agree, it's rather small. I definitely want some arena football in Toledo though!!

Yeah, I'm not quite following Crusher's complaint of 5th/3rd but to each their tastes. I really like the location but then it's a reasonable walk for me.

I pretty much agree with your take on Huntington also. I like a center location but would have hoped the could have located it closer to 75, putting the warehouse district in between. I think that would have provided more synergy, room for expansion and eventual relocation of the convention center.



pretty easy to see my complaint, i said it before.....they wont use it for anything else besides baseball. not concerts, nothing.

They're actually going to play a Walleye game at 5/3 Field in Dec. 2014. The indoor portions of the stadium are used year-round for different events. They can definitely have concerts there, but it's tough to pull off in the middle of the season. Just look at how badly MLB fields get torn up by a concert in the stadium during the season.
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