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RE: Big XII Tourney Attendance at KC Missouri
(03-17-2013 12:40 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:30 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  B12 alternates its basketball tourney from KC, OKC, and Dallas. All three locations are very driveable for most all B12 fans.

Ditto for ACC and Greensboro.
http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2013/...e-we-come/

KC has inked a deal with the Big XII through 2016.

My bad. Thanks for correction.
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(03-17-2013 06:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 03:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The WVU fans that went were impressed with the venue, even though not many went. WVU wasn't expected to go far, and the fan turnout reflected that expectation. They were proven right too... 03-banghead

But the Sprint Center has all the amenities that are lacking at MSG...
You missed out on the renovations at MSG. Top of the line all across the board.
Not really. MSG doesn't have half the space the Sprint Center has. There's just not enough room to put in all the stuff you'll find in KC...

Have you been to the new MSG?

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(03-17-2013 07:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 03:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The WVU fans that went were impressed with the venue, even though not many went. WVU wasn't expected to go far, and the fan turnout reflected that expectation. They were proven right too... 03-banghead

But the Sprint Center has all the amenities that are lacking at MSG...
You missed out on the renovations at MSG. Top of the line all across the board.
Not really. MSG doesn't have half the space the Sprint Center has. There's just not enough room to put in all the stuff you'll find in KC...
Have you been to the new MSG?

http://ny.eater.com/archives/2012/04/mad...rden_1.php
Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?
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(03-16-2013 10:09 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Haven't the Jayhawks won 10 regular season titles in a row? I can't imagine being in a conference like that, even if the schools have passionate fans and the tourney draws 19K. Not much drama in that conference.

I'm looking forward to what was the Big East: UConn, Cincinnati, Temple, and Memphis will be fighting it out. And next year I think we still have Louisville.

Wouldn't be surprised to see VCU & UMass(hoops only) in the A12 soon.
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(03-17-2013 07:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 07:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 03:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The WVU fans that went were impressed with the venue, even though not many went. WVU wasn't expected to go far, and the fan turnout reflected that expectation. They were proven right too... 03-banghead

But the Sprint Center has all the amenities that are lacking at MSG...
You missed out on the renovations at MSG. Top of the line all across the board.
Not really. MSG doesn't have half the space the Sprint Center has. There's just not enough room to put in all the stuff you'll find in KC...
Have you been to the new MSG?

http://ny.eater.com/archives/2012/04/mad...rden_1.php
Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?

The surprising thing there actually is more room in he concession area. I was shocked.

I'm not even saying MSG is better since I haven't been to the Sprint Center but the MSG you saw has been upgraded and a better fan experience.
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(03-17-2013 12:44 AM)illusionescape Wrote:  Wednesday
Texas Tech vs West Virginia & TCU vs Texas: 17,018

Thursday
Iowa State vs Oklahoma & Texas Tech vs Kansas: 17,996
Texas vs Kansas State & Baylor vs Oklahoma State: 17,257

Friday
Iowa State vs Kansas & Oklahoma State vs Kansas State: 19,160

Saturday
Kansas State vs Kansas: 19,256

Nope. There are about the only pictures I could find showing the stands, but you can clearly see massive sections of the lower level were empty. Unless that 17k number is the combined total for both games, that number is tickets sold (distributed, more likely) and not butts in seats. The Big 12 Tournament in reality had subpar attendance for games not involving Kansas, as in previous years.

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(03-17-2013 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?

Could you elaborate? What are these wonderful amenities at the Sprint Center that the renovated MSG lacks?

I don't have a dog in the fight. But MSG is a pretty big building, and they just spent more renovating it than it cost to build the Sprint Center.
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(03-18-2013 10:05 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 08:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?

Could you elaborate? What are these wonderful amenities at the Sprint Center that the renovated MSG lacks?

I don't have a dog in the fight. But MSG is a pretty big building, and they just spent more renovating it than it cost to build the Sprint Center.
It's not the Sprint Center alone... KC rolls out the red carpet. It is one of the biggest events annually in KC. BBQ and all. Really a fit for a midwest/ southwest conference. They do a great job.
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i'm sure the sprint center does alot of the same things the ACC does in Greensboro, it's about more than the games themselves, they have all kinds of exhibits, fan fest(which is free to the general public) & so on.
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(03-17-2013 10:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 07:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 07:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 03:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You missed out on the renovations at MSG. Top of the line all across the board.
Not really. MSG doesn't have half the space the Sprint Center has. There's just not enough room to put in all the stuff you'll find in KC...
Have you been to the new MSG?

http://ny.eater.com/archives/2012/04/mad...rden_1.php
Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?
The surprising thing there actually is more room in he concession area. I was shocked.

I'm not even saying MSG is better since I haven't been to the Sprint Center but the MSG you saw has been upgraded and a better fan experience.
I'm sure MSG is better than it was. But the Sprint Center has double the space, many more eating venues, a huge glass enclosed concourse allowing views of Kansas City on all sides, and is a beautiful facility. You should visit it sometime...

And B12 fans are right about the festival the city puts on for the tournament. It's like the whole city is holding a party for the conference. The WVU fans I know that went said it's a one of a kind experience, and they were really impressed...
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(03-18-2013 02:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 10:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 07:35 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 07:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-17-2013 06:54 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Not really. MSG doesn't have half the space the Sprint Center has. There's just not enough room to put in all the stuff you'll find in KC...
Have you been to the new MSG?

http://ny.eater.com/archives/2012/04/mad...rden_1.php
Madison Square Garden is limited in space. They can't expand the building, no matter how many upgrades they do. NYC doesn't have a 5th dimension that suddenly allows the building to be expanded. It can only grow so much...

On the other hand, have you ever been to the Sprint Center?
The surprising thing there actually is more room in he concession area. I was shocked.

I'm not even saying MSG is better since I haven't been to the Sprint Center but the MSG you saw has been upgraded and a better fan experience.
I'm sure MSG is better than it was. But the Sprint Center has double the space, many more eating venues, a huge glass enclosed concourse allowing views of Kansas City on all sides, and is a beautiful facility. You should visit it sometime...

And B12 fans are right about the festival the city puts on for the tournament. It's like the whole city is holding a party for the conference. The WVU fans I know that went said it's a one of a kind experience, and they were really impressed...
[Image: thubiz_Sprint_Center_Grand_Ope.jpg]
Thanks for the KC revue. I am sure Missouri will continue to make this venue an awesome Big XII event....04-cheers
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Power & Light District next to Sprint Center was designed with the Big 12 tournament in mind. It host pep rallies, has plenty of watering holes, hotels, everything a basketball fan needs is right around the arena.
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I've been to the remodeled Madison Square Garden (which is only 2/3rds of the way through renovations) and to the Sprint Center... What MSG has done is nothing short of amazing.

They tripled the space of concourses in spots, doubled it in most, raised ceilings, and opened so many new food places - the choices are endless all around on every level and from some of NYC's best chefs.

They literally tore out the seating bowls and started over... the upper seats are now a whole new split UPPER level, split from the lower seats by suites, and moved like 12 feet closer to the action improving sightlines. In doing that they opened two new levels of luxury concourses and seating, at event level and mid-level, and made the place feel like new, even blasting out walls along many concourse areas and placing windows in that give you views out over the bustling city.

Next year they will enlarge the entry ways into the garden and make a new box office area and add 10th level bars and clubs, the sky bridges, and new LED video and lighting around the whole complex to make it even more modern. Everything it was lacking, it now has or will have. All while sitting atop the best/most convenient venue transportation in the country.

Now Sprint Center, it is the most remarkable from the outside... though it's main entry is large and open. I didn't go to it, but I'm told the hall of fame connected is quite nice. Once beyond the entry way, it looks like one of plenty of buildings nationwide, and could have been built anywhere. The cost of building it was less than 1/3 of renovations to MSG. Some things it appears spare no expense like the video board and the ribbon lighting, which is the most eye catching feature of the building, but other parts are like built on a budget, like the lack of point of sales around the concourses for example. I thoroughly enjoyed my two visits there, but there is nothing "special" about it beyond it's striking exterior.

The Garden remember is several venues in one... under the Arena floor on one side is the 5,000 seat Theater at MSG. MSG can host basketball in the afternoon, hockey at night in the arena part and 4 shows of Sesame Street live in the theater all on the same day for example. That alone is a remarkable experience... where Sprint Center gets nearly 100 events a year, MSG can host 300-400.
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(03-19-2013 09:01 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I've been to the remodeled Madison Square Garden (which is only 2/3rds of the way through renovations) and to the Sprint Center... What MSG has done is nothing short of amazing.

They tripled the space of concourses in spots, doubled it in most, raised ceilings, and opened so many new food places - the choices are endless all around on every level and from some of NYC's best chefs.

They literally tore out the seating bowls and started over... the upper seats are now a whole new split UPPER level, split from the lower seats by suites, and moved like 12 feet closer to the action improving sightlines. In doing that they opened two new levels of luxury concourses and seating, at event level and mid-level, and made the place feel like new, even blasting out walls along many concourse areas and placing windows in that give you views out over the bustling city.

Next year they will enlarge the entry ways into the garden and make a new box office area and add 10th level bars and clubs, the sky bridges, and new LED video and lighting around the whole complex to make it even more modern. Everything it was lacking, it now has or will have. All while sitting atop the best/most convenient venue transportation in the country.

Now Sprint Center, it is the most remarkable from the outside... though it's main entry is large and open. I didn't go to it, but I'm told the hall of fame connected is quite nice. Once beyond the entry way, it looks like one of plenty of buildings nationwide, and could have been built anywhere. The cost of building it was less than 1/3 of renovations to MSG. Some things it appears spare no expense like the video board and the ribbon lighting, which is the most eye catching feature of the building, but other parts are like built on a budget, like the lack of point of sales around the concourses for example. I thoroughly enjoyed my two visits there, but there is nothing "special" about it beyond it's striking exterior.

The Garden remember is several venues in one... under the Arena floor on one side is the 5,000 seat Theater at MSG. MSG can host basketball in the afternoon, hockey at night in the arena part and 4 shows of Sesame Street live in the theater all on the same day for example. That alone is a remarkable experience... where Sprint Center gets nearly 100 events a year, MSG can host 300-400.
But will NYC stop what it's doing for a week to focus on a college tourney? Can fans afford a week in NYC? KC passes both tests.
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(03-19-2013 09:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  But will NYC stop what it's doing for a week to focus on a college tourney? Can fans afford a week in NYC? KC passes both tests.

Did you seriously just compare Kansas City to New York City?
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(03-20-2013 11:19 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 09:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  But will NYC stop what it's doing for a week to focus on a college tourney? Can fans afford a week in NYC? KC passes both tests.

Did you seriously just compare Kansas City to New York City?
Did you seriously read that into my comments? Of course not. My point is that KC is smaller and able to focus on a tourney for a week. Will that happen in NYC? If you are a fan and make a cool $25,000 salary, where can you afford to spend 4-5 nights and eat? This is not a knock on the Big Apple. Of course not... My point was that KC works for the Big XII. Had nothing to do with MSG and their tournaments.
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(03-20-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:19 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 09:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  But will NYC stop what it's doing for a week to focus on a college tourney? Can fans afford a week in NYC? KC passes both tests.

Did you seriously just compare Kansas City to New York City?
Did you seriously read that into my comments? Of course not. My point is that KC is smaller and able to focus on a tourney for a week. Will that happen in NYC? If you are a fan and make a cool $25,000 salary, where can you afford to spend 4-5 nights and eat? This is not a knock on the Big Apple. Of course not... My point was that KC works for the Big XII. Had nothing to do with MSG and their tournaments.

If you're a fan making $25k you aren't going to the BE Tourney at MSG. The tickets are sold as a package for all sessions. One ticket would be approximately 1 week's salary.
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(03-22-2013 01:57 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:19 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 09:05 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  But will NYC stop what it's doing for a week to focus on a college tourney? Can fans afford a week in NYC? KC passes both tests.

Did you seriously just compare Kansas City to New York City?
Did you seriously read that into my comments? Of course not. My point is that KC is smaller and able to focus on a tourney for a week. Will that happen in NYC? If you are a fan and make a cool $25,000 salary, where can you afford to spend 4-5 nights and eat? This is not a knock on the Big Apple. Of course not... My point was that KC works for the Big XII. Had nothing to do with MSG and their tournaments.

If you're a fan making $25k you aren't going to the BE Tourney at MSG. The tickets are sold as a package for all sessions. One ticket would be approximately 1 week's salary.
And that's exactly why KC works well for the Big XII. Focused and affordable. This thread was never a KC-MSG contest. Just noted how great of a job KC does each year...
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(03-19-2013 09:01 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I've been to the remodeled Madison Square Garden (which is only 2/3rds of the way through renovations) and to the Sprint Center... What MSG has done is nothing short of amazing.

They tripled the space of concourses in spots, doubled it in most, raised ceilings, and opened so many new food places - the choices are endless all around on every level and from some of NYC's best chefs.

They literally tore out the seating bowls and started over... the upper seats are now a whole new split UPPER level, split from the lower seats by suites, and moved like 12 feet closer to the action improving sightlines. In doing that they opened two new levels of luxury concourses and seating, at event level and mid-level, and made the place feel like new, even blasting out walls along many concourse areas and placing windows in that give you views out over the bustling city.

Next year they will enlarge the entry ways into the garden and make a new box office area and add 10th level bars and clubs, the sky bridges, and new LED video and lighting around the whole complex to make it even more modern. Everything it was lacking, it now has or will have. All while sitting atop the best/most convenient venue transportation in the country.

Now Sprint Center, it is the most remarkable from the outside... though it's main entry is large and open. I didn't go to it, but I'm told the hall of fame connected is quite nice. Once beyond the entry way, it looks like one of plenty of buildings nationwide, and could have been built anywhere. The cost of building it was less than 1/3 of renovations to MSG. Some things it appears spare no expense like the video board and the ribbon lighting, which is the most eye catching feature of the building, but other parts are like built on a budget, like the lack of point of sales around the concourses for example. I thoroughly enjoyed my two visits there, but there is nothing "special" about it beyond it's striking exterior.

The Garden remember is several venues in one... under the Arena floor on one side is the 5,000 seat Theater at MSG. MSG can host basketball in the afternoon, hockey at night in the arena part and 4 shows of Sesame Street live in the theater all on the same day for example. That alone is a remarkable experience... where Sprint Center gets nearly 100 events a year, MSG can host 300-400.

And all of this was in direct response to the Barclays Center. MSG was NOT about to become second fiddle in their own city. Which is great for us fans in NYC. We get two new teams (Nets/Islanders), a new arena and the old arena gets completely overhauled.
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