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Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realignment not over.
Thamel lays out why the ACC and MSG would be a great match. Also mentions that realignment isn't over.

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
The problem is, MSG did not want the ACC. The conference just accepted bids for its next few tournaments and not a peep came from New York (even with Syracuse already on board).

Although far from ideal, I'm sure MSG is content with the "new Big East", which has 5 long-time members plus shorter time members Marquette and DePaul. Butler, Creighton, St. Louis, Dayton, and Xavier all bring pretty solid basketball backgrounds. Sure, losing Syrcause, UConn, and Notre Dame hurts. And to a lesser extent Pitt and Rutgers. But I think MSG is generally feeling ok.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 12:34 PM)Villecard Wrote:  Thamel lays out why the ACC and MSG would be a great match. Also mentions that realignment isn't over.

"All five major conference commissioners privately acknowledge that realignment isn't done. And the next logical evolution will inevitably be a poaching of the ACC.

When will this happen? That's the biggest question among athletic directors and TV executives right now. No one knows the answer. But this much is certain -- there's nothing that's happened in the last three years that suggests that realignment will just stop. Will Jim Delany expand the Big Ten this spring with North Carolina and Virginia? Will Mike Slive pull the trigger first and nab N.C. State or Virginia Tech? Will the Big 12 make a power play for Florida State or Clemson? Who makes the first move? Rest assured that even the most deep-rooted ACC schools have contingency plans in case the league gets poached.

At its core, grabbing the Garden would be a long-term asset that would separate the ACC from its rivals. It would strengthen its basketball profile and make it more attractive for the long term. It would ingratiate the ACC in the country's best media market and one of the most fertile recruiting grounds."

They better hope the tobacco road 4 are gone from the ACC or that probably isn't going to happen
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
This is what most A12 schools are hoping for. It will be interesting how things play. But I have feel ACC is going to be gutted by Big 12 and B1g
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
Also why would SEC add NC state?
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 12:45 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Also why would SEC add NC state?

They want into North Carolina and UNC isn't going
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
Food for thought. The last 3 rounds of realignment began with a major FB member changing its home.

2010-11 (Nebraska joins the B1G)
2011-12 (TAMU joins the SEC)
2012-13 (Notre Dame joins the ACC)

I just don't think UNC, NC State, UVA or VaTech are big enough players in football right now to change the trajectory of the SEC or B1G on a per school money basis.

The only thing I could see as mover is Florida State to the B12. They do seem to be regaining their form and if they can win a national championship their value will sky rocket.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
The B1G is gonna grab up two sothern ACC teams...then there will be an avalanche... The SEC would love to invite the Tar Heels. Big 12 will only get leftovers...they can only dream about FSU.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
He's got it wrong. Florida and Georgia to the B1G.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 01:07 PM)No Bull Wrote:  The B1G is gonna grab up two sothern ACC teams...then there will be an avalanche... The SEC would love to invite the Tar Heels. Big 12 will only get leftovers...they can only dream about FSU.

The problem is that UNC 1) doesn't view themselves as southern 2) doesn't feel the academics stack up in the SEC. They'll be a B10 school when all is said and done. UVA&UNC to BIG
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
UConn, Cincy, USF, and UCF off to truncated ACC. ECU and Temple too probably. Huge Congrats to these programs in an Eastern based conference, the most sense of all. UMass and Stony Brook might just be involved also.

Tulane, Memphis, SMU, and Houston back to CUSA. A CUSA-24 emerges with four division of six teams.

Got it right from the git go! I am so happy that CUSA remains intact with all our old colleagues plus some new exciting programs.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
you got it wrong. SMU Houston & Tulane to B12.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 02:00 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  UConn, Cincy, USF, and UCF off to truncated ACC. ECU and Temple too probably. Huge Congrats to these programs in an Eastern based conference, the most sense of all. UMass and Stony Brook might just be involved also.

Tulane, Memphis, SMU, and Houston back to CUSA. A CUSA-24 emerges with four division of six teams.

Got it right from the git go! I am so happy that CUSA remains intact with all our old colleagues plus some new exciting programs.

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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
Thamel is a Cuse alum, and like all Cuse alum they want their cake and eat it too. They want to keep MSG as they move but thats just not in the cards.

He even said it himself, they would need to sign a 5 year consecutive deal to even get the Garden interested and that is NOT going to happen. At least not while UNC, Duke, Clemson, NC St., UVA, FSU and VT are all still there. Though it is very possible that none of them are there say 5 years down the road and the ACC resembles the Big East. THEN you can see MSG becoming interested again.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 12:45 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Also why would SEC add NC state?

Yeah, I keep saying that here, and no one has a satisfactory answer. "The SEC wants to add a school in North Carolina *so badly* that they'd even take NCSU" is not a satisfactory answer.

The only way that a conference as wealthy as the SEC is going to add a school that is not the clear #1 program in its own state is if that program brings as much to the table as TAMU. NCSU doesn't even come close.

The only program in that category (i.e., not clear #1 in their own state, but adds as much value as TAMU does) that is in the right ballpark for SEC consideration is Florida State.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
If ACCeggedan happens I kind of doubt that Clemson/FSU would be there for the Big XII...hell I could see the SEC going to 18 with Virginia Tech, NC State, FSU & Clemson...B1G with Georgia Tech, UVa, UNC & Duke.

But time will tell...Realignment is never as set or happens they way people expect...I see FSU going to the SEC or even if possible the B1G before they would head to the Big XII...07-coffee3
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
You people are ridiculous sometimes.

I highly doubt anyone goes past 16 let alone 14. The only way for these gigantic conferences to work is if the regular season is extended by a game or two.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 02:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  If ACCeggedan happens I kind of doubt that Clemson/FSU would be there for the Big XII...hell I could see the SEC going to 18 with Virginia Tech, NC State, FSU & Clemson...B1G with Georgia Tech, UVa, UNC & Duke.

But time will tell...Realignment is never as set or happens they way people expect...I see FSU going to the SEC or even if possible the B1G before they would head to the Big XII...07-coffee3

That's the way I see it. The Big 12 will be left with no one, unless they take the remaining ACC and make it their East division.

East: WVU, Miami, Cuse, Pitt, BC, UL, UC, WF, UConn

More than likely that doesn't nearly makeup the value that the other 18 team conferences would be making. And I don't think there is smaller combo there that makes it worth the Big 12 moving out there. More than likely the major Big 12 schools merge with the Pac 12 and the best of the rest form another conference. A Big 12/nBE/ACC hybrid.
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 02:39 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  You people are ridiculous sometimes.

I highly doubt anyone goes past 16 let alone 14. The only way for these gigantic conferences to work is if the regular season is extended by a game or two.

I know...but this board is known to throw "stuff" against the wall...lol.

I took Thamel comments as there will be some subtle shifts...in the end you will have the basic 65 schools on way or another @ the "Big Boy Table".
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RE: Thamel: The ACC should sign w/ MSG; Realiagnment not over.
(03-14-2013 02:32 PM)Maize Wrote:  If ACCeggedan happens I kind of doubt that Clemson/FSU would be there for the Big XII...hell I could see the SEC going to 18 with Virginia Tech, NC State, FSU & Clemson...B1G with Georgia Tech, UVa, UNC & Duke.

But time will tell...Realignment is never as set or happens they way people expect...I see FSU going to the SEC or even if possible the B1G before they would head to the Big XII...07-coffee3

I am not certain that the ACC gets hit again but there seem to be lots of articles like this along with the private comments like Gordon Gee's that make it very likely that discussions are taking place.

If the ACC loses teams I don't see Clemson or Miami getting an SEC bid. So if the ACC loses 4 or more I see those two likely being there for the Big 12.
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