(03-14-2013 07:37 AM)muskienick Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:02 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Its going to be those 5 only question is this gear or next.
I remember in 2003 when the "rumored" candidates were reported. The reports turned out to be accurate. Just as I suspect these reports will

To which of "these reports" do you refer? Creighton wasn't even considered a candidate when the early reports materialized. Then they were "adopted" by Marquette and are now considered member #10. Richmond was the darling of Georgetown and a shoe-in as #11 or 12. Now it is supposedly Dayton who will be taken in Richmond's place while SLU remains throughout as one of the last two entries.

How can "these reports" all be accurate when they tend to conflict with one another?

I'm beginning to wonder if the supposed "leakers" of all this "reliable" information aren't simply planting a bunch of unconfirmed reports out there to enjoy a few laughs when they see them in print by the likes of the NY Post, ESPN.com, etc.

And don't we all just "eat it up"?!

What are you talking about? Thamel had them in since like a week after we split. They were always part of the Thamel 5. Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis. It's been like that since before christmas.

(03-14-2013 11:05 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:04 AM)Roader Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 09:41 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 08:00 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:18 AM)Title Wrote:  It's not exactly hard to win 20 games with exempt tournaments and buy games in the OOC.

There's only one thing to say about Dayton's basketball program: it has one NCAA Tournament win in 20 years.

Those are the facts everything else is trying to rationalization.

Not to mention, prior to this year, the A10 lacked VCU and Butler. It was a fine conference but nothing that a program that is Big East worthy, should have an issue consistently making tournaments.

Their strongest qualification is that they average 12,000 in home attendance. That was 28th in the country last year. Among the C7, only Marquette was better. A fan base like that is very valuable.

This. Look, I don't LOVE Dayton, but I certainly don't get all the hate (though their fanbase is nauseating). Is there really a better program out there to grab? I know the east coast schools are annoyed b/c they want another east coast schools, but I don't really see better options.

The best east coast options are already the Big East. I mean, I guess there's Siena, Boston U, Davidson, Richmond, and St. Joe's. Only one of them plays in an arena bigger than 8,000, and its not like they sell it out. I wouldn't raise hell if any of them got in over Dayton, but let's stop pretending like our choices are really between Gonzaga, Duke and Dayton and we're stupidly choosing Dayton.

A rabid, hungry fanbase is what this league needs from the beginning. We need people to care.

If youre referring to the fanbase being UDPride please dont. They have went so far as to ban multiple of us for being realistic and stating that the team is not world beaters and on a couple of year decline (this was during Gregory's last season). Now that we were proven right we cannot rejoin since we were given lifetime bans and registration was locked. UDPride is the 1% of UD fans. Even we dont like them

The only other one that people use is the Rivals subscription board which is also blocked to most people. Stating that UD fans are all the same as UDPride is like saying everyone that comes onto this board are the same as stover. You get your outspoken fans who get the most attention and everyone is labeled with them. I honestly hate the UDPride board. How can you say you hope we stay in the A10 so we can win it every year? Even if we stay in the A10 and dont get invited to the C7 were still in the a league with a lot of the same teams who keep us at a .500 conference record each year

You need another message board. Is there one?

Georgetown does the same thing, blocks anyone w/out a Georgetown email. Which is lame.

(03-14-2013 11:13 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:37 AM)muskienick Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:02 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Its going to be those 5 only question is this gear or next.
I remember in 2003 when the "rumored" candidates were reported. The reports turned out to be accurate. Just as I suspect these reports will

To which of "these reports" do you refer? Creighton wasn't even considered a candidate when the early reports materialized. Then they were "adopted" by Marquette and are now considered member #10. Richmond was the darling of Georgetown and a shoe-in as #11 or 12. Now it is supposedly Dayton who will be taken in Richmond's place while SLU remains throughout as one of the last two entries.

How can "these reports" all be accurate when they tend to conflict with one another?

I'm beginning to wonder if the supposed "leakers" of all this "reliable" information aren't simply planting a bunch of unconfirmed reports out there to enjoy a few laughs when they see them in print by the likes of the NY Post, ESPN.com, etc.

And don't we all just "eat it up"?!

What are you talking about? Thamel had them in since like a week after we split. They were always part of the Thamel 5. Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis. It's been like that since before christmas.

Exactly! The same 5 have been mentioned from the beginning with a we others mixed in. As time as progressed we are seeing the same 5 being talked about and the others not so much. Similar thing happened in 2003. I remember UMass being thrown around and a couple of others at first. But the 5 that eventually came were the 5 most mentioned and rumored to be done deal. Don't know if it will happen again but I think it will

(03-14-2013 12:04 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:13 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 07:37 AM)muskienick Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:02 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Its going to be those 5 only question is this gear or next.
I remember in 2003 when the "rumored" candidates were reported. The reports turned out to be accurate. Just as I suspect these reports will

To which of "these reports" do you refer? Creighton wasn't even considered a candidate when the early reports materialized. Then they were "adopted" by Marquette and are now considered member #10. Richmond was the darling of Georgetown and a shoe-in as #11 or 12. Now it is supposedly Dayton who will be taken in Richmond's place while SLU remains throughout as one of the last two entries.

How can "these reports" all be accurate when they tend to conflict with one another?

I'm beginning to wonder if the supposed "leakers" of all this "reliable" information aren't simply planting a bunch of unconfirmed reports out there to enjoy a few laughs when they see them in print by the likes of the NY Post, ESPN.com, etc.

And don't we all just "eat it up"?!

What are you talking about? Thamel had them in since like a week after we split. They were always part of the Thamel 5. Butler, Xavier, Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis. It's been like that since before christmas.

Exactly! The same 5 have been mentioned from the beginning with a we others mixed in. As time as progressed we are seeing the same 5 being talked about and the others not so much. Similar thing happened in 2003. I remember UMass being thrown around and a couple of others at first. But the 5 that eventually came were the 5 most mentioned and rumored to be done deal. Don't know if it will happen again but I think it will

FOX wants 12, so ultimately it will be 12. However, I'm sure the C7 want to maintain flexibility in negotiations and is sensitive to timing and other logistical concerns.

(03-14-2013 11:04 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  That said, DePaul needs to fix their arena issue. Hopefully they build the new one or take up the United Center on free rent. All-State arena just sucks for their fan base.

There was some talk a while back of DePaul buying an old factory site four blocks southwest of campus, and building a new sports complex there, but apparently the industrial cean-up costs alone would be too expensive, nevermind the actual construction, and the United Center is unlikely to work due to scheduling constraints. The city, however, has proposed a new facility at McCormick Place so DePaul will probably end up playing there if the project actually gets off the ground. This would be good for basketball but still does nothing for all other sports.

(03-14-2013 10:38 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 09:29 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  I don't really have a dog in the fight here, but I think you are underestimating the value of teams like Seton Hall and DePaul. The very nature of playing in a conference means that some teams will end up at the top and some teams will end up at the bottom. In other words, every conference will have teams finishing last or next to last and if those teams improve, then someone else is going to have to take their place at the bottom of the pile.

Hey, stealing my argument LOL

But I agree with this. DePaul is one of the best "bottom dwellers" you can have in a conference. A last placed team that draws fans, is in a big market that cares about basketball, and still draws on TV. That is good.

Not to mention, DePaul is no different than Cincinnati. They both were good in CUSA, and got beat down when they joined tghe Big East during a down year. Cincy only made it back to the dance last year, and DePaul is still recovering. They will probably be better in the new Big East without so many teams beating down on them. It is HARD to get off the bottom in a 16 team conference. Same issue Seton Hall is having, and same issue St. Johns had, as they too only recently recovered, and even then, they are not all the way back.

Depaul's situation in the Big East was way different than UC's. The year we entered the conference, we had an interim coach who didn't recruit at all. The next year, we only returned 2 scholarship players. Our program was absolutely destroyed by the way that Huggins' firing was dragged out over 2 years. Cronin had to start from scratch, much like Tom Crean did at Indiana.

The fact that we were able to get back in the tournament within five years of hiring a permanent coach is a testament to the strength of our program. Even Indiana took 4 years to get back, and that's with a much better coach than Cronin.

(03-14-2013 03:05 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  

(03-14-2013 11:04 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  That said, DePaul needs to fix their arena issue. Hopefully they build the new one or take up the United Center on free rent. All-State arena just sucks for their fan base.

There was some talk a while back of DePaul buying an old factory site four blocks southwest of campus, and building a new sports complex there, but apparently the industrial cean-up costs alone would be too expensive, nevermind the actual construction, and the United Center is unlikely to work due to scheduling constraints. The city, however, has proposed a new facility at McCormick Place so DePaul will probably end up playing there if the project actually gets off the ground. This would be good for basketball but still does nothing for all other sports.

Well thats not really whats going on. United Center has offered them free rent for a decade and other perks like selling apparel in arena stores and on court logo's. United Center is being so gracious because there is a push to build a new arena in the city which will draw concerts and other events away from the UC. DePaul would have to throw some money in but would essentially be the top tenant.

Dayton is now 31-34 in the Atlantic 10 over the past four seasons.

(03-14-2013 03:54 PM)Title Wrote:  Dayton is now 31-34 in the Atlantic 10 over the past four seasons.

And they will still get an invite.

I'd be more worried how your bulldogs will handle yet ANOTHER step up in competition. Didn't really manhandle the A-10 in this first season.

They are 12-5 (so far), were in the Top 25 almost all season long, and will receive a Top 5/6 seed in the Tournament. You should probably worry about yourself, as it relates to being non-competitive NIT boy.

Butler beat 1 A10 team that is going to the NCAA tourney, Temple. Went 1-4 vs those teams this year.

Also, without good guards, that's a recipe for a 1 and done come NCAA tourney time. Definitely not past 2nd round....

This isnt a very talented team. It hasn't been all year long. They released their most talented player (PG) immediately before the season.

They'll still make a run, because thats kind of what Butler does.

You think Georgetown is going to avoid their annual first weekend choke this year?

(03-14-2013 03:59 PM)Title Wrote:  They are 12-5 (so far), were in the Top 25 almost all season long, and will receive a Top 5/6 seed in the Tournament. You should probably worry about yourself, as it relates to being non-competitive NIT boy.

Wow....I guess we should all be so lucky for Butler fans to talk down to us. Tell us again how BBall started 7 years ago? Regale us with stories of the battles of the Horizon league!!!! How was it doing battle with Valpo and Detroit-Mercy????

I don't know why you keep on putting down Dayton. You better hope there are some cupcakes coming in because our cupcakes give teams like GTown, Cuse and UofL fits.

Im not "putting down" Dayton. Dayton is a fine program. They aren't close to this level of a program, however. And, that is the point. We are honestly talking about adding a below average A10 program, how does that compute with you?

And for those complaining about VCU fans...... Welcome to what the A10 board has been dealing with this past year.

(03-14-2013 04:10 PM)Title Wrote:  Im not "putting down" Dayton. Dayton is a fine program. They aren't close to this level of a program, however. And, that is the point. We are honestly talking about adding a below average A10 program, how does that compute with you?

The fact that even when they are below average they still put more meat in the seat than Butler and more than any C7 school minus Marquette. There is a reason why they are the permanent hosts of the First Four. They will bring fans to MSG every march and will watch every game. These are things that make our partners happy and in turn make us happy. How a team competes on the court is not even close to being the only value a team can bring to a league. That is something all the detractors need to compute.

As I explained before, that is a temporary phenomena. The blue hairs that hold those season tickets attended the school in the 60s when the program was relevant. Those people aren't going to live forever. At some point, those same season tickets are going to have to be sold to a public that hasn't seen a 2nd Weekend of the NCAA Tournament since 1984 and 1 tournament win in 20 years.

Its unsustainable. They are a graying fanbase that hasn't been solidified with any sort of meaningful success for decades. Its a demographic problem

(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)Title Wrote:  As I explained before, that is a temporary phenomena. The blue hairs that hold those season tickets attended the school in the 60s when the program was relevant. Those people aren't going to live forever. At some point, those same season tickets are going to have to be sold to a public that hasn't seen a 2nd Weekend of the NCAA Tournament since 1984 and 1 tournament win in 20 years.

Its unsustainable. They are a graying fanbase that hasn't been solidified with any sort of meaningful success for decades. Its a demographic problem

Where is your proof of that? You don't think bringing in better competition will keep interest? If I were you i'd be worried what my fan base will look like if Butler can't compete in the new league. Dayton has a stronger fan base while being below average than Butler who is at their all time best. Thats a scary thought.

Id be more concerned with what you are going to do to insure better NIT seeds

(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)Title Wrote:  As I explained before, that is a temporary phenomena. The blue hairs that hold those season tickets attended the school in the 60s when the program was relevant. Those people aren't going to live forever. At some point, those same season tickets are going to have to be sold to a public that hasn't seen a 2nd Weekend of the NCAA Tournament since 1984 and 1 tournament win in 20 years.

Its unsustainable. They are a graying fanbase that hasn't been solidified with any sort of meaningful success for decades. Its a demographic problem

You realize when they die that means my friends, myself, and all other younger people get to move down to lower arena right? UD didn't stop graduating people