It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

Is USM in the west in 2015?

I cant keep track.

CUSA W 2015 is probably better than the nBE in 2015 if you assume Cinncy, UCONN are gone and they add UMASS. Navy will probably never join. None of the options look great.

Tulsa
UTEP
UTSA
UNT
Rice
La Tech
USM

Speak of the Devil...

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 40,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 45,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

FTFY

(03-12-2013 06:26 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 45,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

FTFY

Yeah, I thought so. USM has mastered the art of expanding our stadium without actually increasing the capacity.

Seriously, this crap is pissing me off. It's embarrassing. You can't just yell "we win! louder than anyone else on a message board and call that success. Here's hoping Hammond and Bennett have more sense than the USM fans here.

We'll know if it is a lateral move in three years.

(03-12-2013 06:34 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  We'll know if it is a lateral move in three years.

OK... three years from now, if ODU is drawing 50,000 per football game, UNT has a Heisman trophy, MTSU gets to the basketball final, FIU has a 45,000 seat stadium, and LA Tech goes to a Sugar Bowl, I'll concede my point. Odds are we're a one-bid, one and done league in hoops that plays football on Thursdays, and in masturbatory bowl games against the MAC and SBC. So I'm not sure WTF could possibly hapen in three years. It's just empty Internet talk.

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 40,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

You do realize that very few of these things actually happened in CUSA, right? I mean, when you take that into consideration, your internet talk is just as empty as everyone else's is.

(03-12-2013 07:13 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 40,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

You do realize that very few of these things actually happened in CUSA, right? I mean, when you take that into consideration, your internet talk is just as empty as everyone else's is.

Some of them did, some of them did not. But they all really happened. I see a lot of talk about good things that might happen in the future... we've got to talk about the past, too.

(03-12-2013 07:22 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 07:13 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:58 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  It is absolitely a lateral move, actually would be down in basketball once UConn leaves

So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 40,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

You do realize that very few of these things actually happened in CUSA, right? I mean, when you take that into consideration, your internet talk is just as empty as everyone else's is.

Some of them did, some of them did not. But they all really happened. I see a lot of talk about good things that might happen in the future... we've got to talk about the past, too.

Very true.

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Memphis beat you like a rented mule last year

(03-12-2013 08:18 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Memphis beat you like a rented mule last year

Take care of that stadium we own in north carolina

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Alright, if that is the only retort you are capable of devising, let me put it in terms you can understand:

Everyone beat USM like a rented mule last year, but it didn't matter because USM is the Mississippi equivalent of Troy University. Capisce?

(03-12-2013 06:40 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 06:34 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  We'll know if it is a lateral move in three years.

OK... three years from now, if ODU is drawing 50,000 per football game, UNT has a Heisman trophy, MTSU gets to the basketball final, FIU has a 45,000 seat stadium, and LA Tech goes to a Sugar Bowl, I'll concede my point. Odds are we're a one-bid, one and done league in hoops that plays football on Thursdays, and in masturbatory bowl games against the MAC and SBC. So I'm not sure WTF could possibly hapen in three years. It's just empty Internet talk.

Why do you feel the need to explain your position?

(03-12-2013 08:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Alright, if that is the only retort you are capable of devising, let me put it in terms you can understand:

Everyone beat USM like a rented mule last year, but it didn't matter because USM is the Mississippi equivalent of Troy University. Capisce?

Must suck knowing that lowly USM owns ya'lls a$$ no matter where we played.. Don't matter what season.. Just think on our worst year we still took it to you and almost won.

(03-12-2013 06:20 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  So UNT has a Heisman, like UH? FIU has a 40,000 seat stadium like UCF? ODU has finished ranked in the top ten football, like ECU? Does LA Tech have as many Sugar Bowls as Tulane? How about their academics? SMU has "Pony Express": Dickerson, Craig James, all those Cotton Bowls... and UTSA has... enthusiasm? Memphis was in the hoops final a few years ago... so was MTSU at least in the Elite 8?

I wish we didn't have to go over this repeatedly. I'm willing to make the best of a bad situation. As far as FCS schools with high hopes go, we've picked some good ones. But you need to get real. This ain't "lateral"... not even close.

Do you cry yourself to sleep every night?

(03-12-2013 10:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Alright, if that is the only retort you are capable of devising, let me put it in terms you can understand:

Everyone beat USM like a rented mule last year, but it didn't matter because USM is the Mississippi equivalent of Troy University. Capisce?

Must suck knowing that lowly USM owns ya'lls a$$ no matter where we played.. Don't matter what season.. Just think on our worst year we still took it to you and almost won.

Under that reasoning, must suck knowing that USM's best year, they lost by a SINGLE INCOMPLETION to UCF's worst year in 4 years.

Still, doesn't change the fact that you are stuck in Sun Belt 2.0

(03-12-2013 11:50 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:40 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:33 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:15 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  The reasoning behind UMass in a phrase:

"Rome wasn't built in a day"

We have a solid core of football first schools already. We need stability first and foremost. I feel that Temple's complaints have merit, and they deserve a closer regional partner. Call it what you want but they ARE a flagship University in the Northeast. Middling endowment and academics (in fact UCF and USF each have higher endowments and acceptance standards) but that's not the point. Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and Tulane shore up the Southwest. Cinci and Memphis are the Mid-America, ECU + Navy make up the East Coast, UCF + USF make up an island of sorts in Florida. The only real options in the North-East to aid UConn and Temple in travel are UMass and... well Army, but they aren't interested.

This is also reasoning for ODU and UNCC. Sure they aren't strong now, and maybe they will never be strong, but the backbone of the conference is set, and we need to garner regional interest in the conference.

UMass, Tulsa, ODU, UNCC all expand upon existing geographies without saturating them.

• The detractions of USM:
  They beat UCF like a rented mule
  

These detractions are short, but they are large. Athletic prowess is fickle; athletic investment is not. No one doubts your achievements on the field (though one could argue that you have peaked)

I've said before, I'd love to have USM in the conference, but I also understand why they are not higher on the list to join.

It is also my opinion that no fledgling school should be invited without contractual obligations to invest in football. That means UMass would have to build an OCS or at least get a closer stadium. UNCC and ODU already are doing that (I hear good things about ODU's season ticket percentages). The truth of the matter is, any one of these teams can reach the attendance and season ticket values of USM, Tulsa, Tulane, UAB, Rice, etc. in a matter of 5 years. If you are looking for proof, just ask UConn.

Fixed it for ya

Alright, if that is the only retort you are capable of devising, let me put it in terms you can understand:

Everyone beat USM like a rented mule last year, but it didn't matter because USM is the Mississippi equivalent of Troy University. Capisce?

Must suck knowing that lowly USM owns ya'lls a$$ no matter where we played.. Don't matter what season.. Just think on our worst year we still took it to you and almost won.

Under that reasoning, must suck knowing that USM's best year, they lost by a SINGLE INCOMPLETION to UCF's worst year in 4 years.

Still, doesn't change the fact that you are stuck in Sun Belt 2.0

you have to be related to your last ad, the one who helped you get on probation.... You share his same condescending attitude, looking straight down your nose. When ucf somehow got in this league we were told of your Disney executives who were trustees. The fact that this league and your next one was crapped on by espn, owned by Disney speaks volumes about your institution.
YOu cant deliver on the field or in the boardroom. One fact that cant be changed is the only wins you have over us came in years we fired coaches, 10 years from now that wont change. Should we meet on the field somehow, Us po country folk will consider it "cherry picking" a win.