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(03-12-2013 12:47 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  IF Navy were to back out, I think there would be a pretty sizable fight among Conference TBD members over who to invite as the 12th school. I think many if not all of the former C-USA 2.0 schools would want Southern Miss added. Other schools, led by Temple would demand UMass.

I agree. Temple and maybe UConn would be the only ones that would want UMass. They add absolutely nothing accept a close game for those two and an easy win for everyone. I would much rather bring in SMiss.
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(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 09:05 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:52 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  If Banowsky not rushed inviting every school he could, & selling the Presidents a bill of goods regarding more TV monies, C-USA would have been better off. What little money is now shared by how many schools now?
Not saying some would have not been invited, but why so soon, & why so many?
You did not see Thompson & the MWC backfill quickly & they're looking good.
Banowsky's was perhaps the worst commissioner this conference could have picked in the expansion era.
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Banowsky has known how this was coming down for a long time. He knew that either the Sunbelt or Cusa would be gobbled up leaving only one and he just became proactive and brought the Sunbelt over resulting in enough votes to insure his job as commissioner. It isnt over yet, Cusa is now the Cbelt and will change in that direction even more just as soon as things are squared away with Tulsa, USM, and Utep, and maybe UAB. You can expect a Cbelt of up to 16-18 teams when the dust has settled and the others are in.
This is my understanding of things as well.
What I don't understand is what did he tell sufficient number of C-USA Presidents to get them to vote for expansion and to call off the MWC Alliance? Because within a month, several who voted his way were on the phones trying to get out.
I don't know what avenues Tulsa, USM, UTEP, UAB and Rice (they likely want out too) have to get out right now.
And really, there was little chance that the sunbelt would have gobbled up C-USA anyway (although Banowsky must have threatened that that could happen)I.

Let's forget all the bs and realize one thing...when this is all said and done with the lower tier "gobbling", one figurehead will be out of a job. That is the crux of all this bs.
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(03-13-2013 08:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 09:05 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:52 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  If Banowsky not rushed inviting every school he could, & selling the Presidents a bill of goods regarding more TV monies, C-USA would have been better off. What little money is now shared by how many schools now?
Not saying some would have not been invited, but why so soon, & why so many?
You did not see Thompson & the MWC backfill quickly & they're looking good.
Banowsky's was perhaps the worst commissioner this conference could have picked in the expansion era.
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Banowsky has known how this was coming down for a long time. He knew that either the Sunbelt or Cusa would be gobbled up leaving only one and he just became proactive and brought the Sunbelt over resulting in enough votes to insure his job as commissioner. It isnt over yet, Cusa is now the Cbelt and will change in that direction even more just as soon as things are squared away with Tulsa, USM, and Utep, and maybe UAB. You can expect a Cbelt of up to 16-18 teams when the dust has settled and the others are in.
This is my understanding of things as well.
What I don't understand is what did he tell sufficient number of C-USA Presidents to get them to vote for expansion and to call off the MWC Alliance? Because within a month, several who voted his way were on the phones trying to get out.
I don't know what avenues Tulsa, USM, UTEP, UAB and Rice (they likely want out too) have to get out right now.
And really, there was little chance that the sunbelt would have gobbled up C-USA anyway (although Banowsky must have threatened that that could happen)I.

Let's forget all the bs and realize one thing...when this is all said and done with the lower tier "gobbling", one figurehead will be out of a job. That is the crux of all this bs.

My understanding of it is that Banowsky couldn't do a damn thing about four schools electing to believe there was a massive pot of gold at the end of the Big East rainbow (the fact that the pot was full of wooden nickels is a non-starter). When they left, he backfilled to protect the TV contract. I had always thought he went with six because the TV partners demanded it so they would have more inventory to choose from.

We can all sit here scratching our behinds and second guessing him (or second guessing our behinds and scratching him...to each his own), but the reality is we have a stable conference home whose only threat is from one or two teams leaving...not a mass exodus or complete dissipation of our remaining power.

The schools with options thought they were in a win-win. Those of us who didn't have options had to do the best we could to stop the bleeding.

Don't tell me Southern Miss has options right now...we have done what we can with what was available since this carousel started spinning. If you want to ***** about Giannini, then go ahead, but I am not sure he possessed a crystal ball of sufficient power. No one on here certainly possessed one, or if they did, they didn't possess sufficient charisma to make anyone believe them.

I have a hard time believing all of you (or any of you) perfectly foretold every bad thing that ever happened, or always made the perfect choice at the perfect time: Don't expect perfection from imperfect people.
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(03-13-2013 11:37 PM)Freshy Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 09:05 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:52 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  If Banowsky not rushed inviting every school he could, & selling the Presidents a bill of goods regarding more TV monies, C-USA would have been better off. What little money is now shared by how many schools now?
Not saying some would have not been invited, but why so soon, & why so many?
You did not see Thompson & the MWC backfill quickly & they're looking good.
Banowsky's was perhaps the worst commissioner this conference could have picked in the expansion era.
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Banowsky has known how this was coming down for a long time. He knew that either the Sunbelt or Cusa would be gobbled up leaving only one and he just became proactive and brought the Sunbelt over resulting in enough votes to insure his job as commissioner. It isnt over yet, Cusa is now the Cbelt and will change in that direction even more just as soon as things are squared away with Tulsa, USM, and Utep, and maybe UAB. You can expect a Cbelt of up to 16-18 teams when the dust has settled and the others are in.
This is my understanding of things as well.
What I don't understand is what did he tell sufficient number of C-USA Presidents to get them to vote for expansion and to call off the MWC Alliance? Because within a month, several who voted his way were on the phones trying to get out.
I don't know what avenues Tulsa, USM, UTEP, UAB and Rice (they likely want out too) have to get out right now.
And really, there was little chance that the sunbelt would have gobbled up C-USA anyway (although Banowsky must have threatened that that could happen)I.

Let's forget all the bs and realize one thing...when this is all said and done with the lower tier "gobbling", one figurehead will be out of a job. That is the crux of all this bs.

My understanding of it is that Banowsky couldn't do a damn thing about four schools electing to believe there was a massive pot of gold at the end of the Big East rainbow (the fact that the pot was full of wooden nickels is a non-starter). When they left, he backfilled to protect the TV contract. I had always thought he went with six because the TV partners demanded it so they would have more inventory to choose from.

We can all sit here scratching our behinds and second guessing him (or second guessing our behinds and scratching him...to each his own), but the reality is we have a stable conference home whose only threat is from one or two teams leaving...not a mass exodus or complete dissipation of our remaining power.

The schools with options thought they were in a win-win. Those of us who didn't have options had to do the best we could to stop the bleeding.

Don't tell me Southern Miss has options right now...we have done what we can with what was available since this carousel started spinning. If you want to ***** about Giannini, then go ahead, but I am not sure he possessed a crystal ball of sufficient power. No one on here certainly possessed one, or if they did, they didn't possess sufficient charisma to make anyone believe them.

I have a hard time believing all of you (or any of you) perfectly foretold every bad thing that ever happened, or always made the perfect choice at the perfect time: Don't expect perfection from imperfect people.

You responded to my post and made comments that I am unsure who they are directed at.

Firstly, I agree with you. I have said this from the time I first started to post (they are still there if you want to do the due) that I didn't think moves were prudent and have continued to post that I am very content with our current content (honestly maybe more now). Nobody can predict future success without a wand. I know I don't have that one in my toolbox. But you could feel it coming, and solidarity became the N word in the decision making process

Will I miss ECU and MEM? Of course I will. ...even Tulane a bit, but 'they' divided us a long time ago....and we are only 100 miles away.

I know one thing....this sucks. It has stirred unnecessary emotions amongst rivals along with their own.

For what...a couple of hundred grand?

My point was there are a handful of people making really really really poor choices. As long as that continues, the end result will cost one of those handful their job due to consolidation.

I would rather have the posters on this board make decisions for our well being before the dipshite conference commissioners that are only trying to preserve their income.

It is too late now to do anything other that make the best out of a really crappy situation.
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(03-14-2013 12:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 11:37 PM)Freshy Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 09:05 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  ---------------------
Banowsky has known how this was coming down for a long time. He knew that either the Sunbelt or Cusa would be gobbled up leaving only one and he just became proactive and brought the Sunbelt over resulting in enough votes to insure his job as commissioner. It isnt over yet, Cusa is now the Cbelt and will change in that direction even more just as soon as things are squared away with Tulsa, USM, and Utep, and maybe UAB. You can expect a Cbelt of up to 16-18 teams when the dust has settled and the others are in.
This is my understanding of things as well.
What I don't understand is what did he tell sufficient number of C-USA Presidents to get them to vote for expansion and to call off the MWC Alliance? Because within a month, several who voted his way were on the phones trying to get out.
I don't know what avenues Tulsa, USM, UTEP, UAB and Rice (they likely want out too) have to get out right now.
And really, there was little chance that the sunbelt would have gobbled up C-USA anyway (although Banowsky must have threatened that that could happen)I.

Let's forget all the bs and realize one thing...when this is all said and done with the lower tier "gobbling", one figurehead will be out of a job. That is the crux of all this bs.

My understanding of it is that Banowsky couldn't do a damn thing about four schools electing to believe there was a massive pot of gold at the end of the Big East rainbow (the fact that the pot was full of wooden nickels is a non-starter). When they left, he backfilled to protect the TV contract. I had always thought he went with six because the TV partners demanded it so they would have more inventory to choose from.

We can all sit here scratching our behinds and second guessing him (or second guessing our behinds and scratching him...to each his own), but the reality is we have a stable conference home whose only threat is from one or two teams leaving...not a mass exodus or complete dissipation of our remaining power.

The schools with options thought they were in a win-win. Those of us who didn't have options had to do the best we could to stop the bleeding.

Don't tell me Southern Miss has options right now...we have done what we can with what was available since this carousel started spinning. If you want to ***** about Giannini, then go ahead, but I am not sure he possessed a crystal ball of sufficient power. No one on here certainly possessed one, or if they did, they didn't possess sufficient charisma to make anyone believe them.

I have a hard time believing all of you (or any of you) perfectly foretold every bad thing that ever happened, or always made the perfect choice at the perfect time: Don't expect perfection from imperfect people.

You responded to my post and made comments that I am unsure who they are directed at.

Firstly, I agree with you. I have said this from the time I first started to post (they are still there if you want to do the due) that I didn't think moves were prudent and have continued to post that I am very content with our current content (honestly maybe more now). Nobody can predict future success without a wand. I know I don't have that one in my toolbox. But you could feel it coming, and solidarity became the N word in the decision making process

Will I miss ECU and MEM? Of course I will. ...even Tulane a bit, but 'they' divided us a long time ago....and we are only 100 miles away.

I know one thing....this sucks. It has stirred unnecessary emotions amongst rivals along with their own.

For what...a couple of hundred grand?

My point was there are a handful of people making really really really poor choices. As long as that continues, the end result will cost one of those handful their job due to consolidation.

I would rather have the posters on this board make decisions for our well being before the dipshite conference commissioners that are only trying to preserve their income.

It is too late now to do anything other that make the best out of a really crappy situation.

I was more making a response to those further up the quote chain who are trying to scapegoat Banowsky. He isn't blameless in this mess, but neither does he possess superhuman powers that allow him to see things before they happen. At best, all the conference office could do was plan for the inevitable. It doesn't mean they could actually do very much about it other than what they actually did.
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(03-14-2013 01:04 AM)Freshy Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 12:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 11:37 PM)Freshy Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:49 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 08:39 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  This is my understanding of things as well.
What I don't understand is what did he tell sufficient number of C-USA Presidents to get them to vote for expansion and to call off the MWC Alliance? Because within a month, several who voted his way were on the phones trying to get out.
I don't know what avenues Tulsa, USM, UTEP, UAB and Rice (they likely want out too) have to get out right now.
And really, there was little chance that the sunbelt would have gobbled up C-USA anyway (although Banowsky must have threatened that that could happen)I.

Let's forget all the bs and realize one thing...when this is all said and done with the lower tier "gobbling", one figurehead will be out of a job. That is the crux of all this bs.

My understanding of it is that Banowsky couldn't do a damn thing about four schools electing to believe there was a massive pot of gold at the end of the Big East rainbow (the fact that the pot was full of wooden nickels is a non-starter). When they left, he backfilled to protect the TV contract. I had always thought he went with six because the TV partners demanded it so they would have more inventory to choose from.

We can all sit here scratching our behinds and second guessing him (or second guessing our behinds and scratching him...to each his own), but the reality is we have a stable conference home whose only threat is from one or two teams leaving...not a mass exodus or complete dissipation of our remaining power.

The schools with options thought they were in a win-win. Those of us who didn't have options had to do the best we could to stop the bleeding.

Don't tell me Southern Miss has options right now...we have done what we can with what was available since this carousel started spinning. If you want to ***** about Giannini, then go ahead, but I am not sure he possessed a crystal ball of sufficient power. No one on here certainly possessed one, or if they did, they didn't possess sufficient charisma to make anyone believe them.

I have a hard time believing all of you (or any of you) perfectly foretold every bad thing that ever happened, or always made the perfect choice at the perfect time: Don't expect perfection from imperfect people.

You responded to my post and made comments that I am unsure who they are directed at.

Firstly, I agree with you. I have said this from the time I first started to post (they are still there if you want to do the due) that I didn't think moves were prudent and have continued to post that I am very content with our current content (honestly maybe more now). Nobody can predict future success without a wand. I know I don't have that one in my toolbox. But you could feel it coming, and solidarity became the N word in the decision making process

Will I miss ECU and MEM? Of course I will. ...even Tulane a bit, but 'they' divided us a long time ago....and we are only 100 miles away.

I know one thing....this sucks. It has stirred unnecessary emotions amongst rivals along with their own.

For what...a couple of hundred grand?

My point was there are a handful of people making really really really poor choices. As long as that continues, the end result will cost one of those handful their job due to consolidation.

I would rather have the posters on this board make decisions for our well being before the dipshite conference commissioners that are only trying to preserve their income.

It is too late now to do anything other that make the best out of a really crappy situation.

I was more making a response to those further up the quote chain who are trying to scapegoat Banowsky. He isn't blameless in this mess, but neither does he possess superhuman powers that allow him to see things before they happen. At best, all the conference office could do was plan for the inevitable. It doesn't mean they could actually do very much about it other than what they actually did.

We are basically saying the same thing.

However, it would really be neat for a commissioner to have the balls to convince the AD/Prez of any lower tier program to say....FK 'em and say NO...

Then where is their out? Is the ACC going to raid the SWAC? Fans are being swindled...and the bastards are making people do it with open palms....

I don't think antitrust laws govern this type of decision making. If I am the MWC/CUSA/n?e commissioners, I am sooooo colluding right now to improve the position moving forward....but nah, let's knee jerk, then jerk off, then cry...makes sense.

It is most likely too late at this point, but it would be so nice to see someone, anyone, (Bueller) stand up to this stupid bs.
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(03-13-2013 11:37 PM)Freshy Wrote:  My understanding of it is that Banowsky couldn't do a damn thing about four schools electing to believe there was a massive pot of gold at the end of the Big East rainbow (the fact that the pot was full of wooden nickels is a non-starter). When they left, he backfilled to protect the TV contract. I had always thought he went with six because the TV partners demanded it so they would have more inventory to choose from.

I'd be surprised if Banowsky was forced by the networks for inventory, given the situation. I would come closer to believe Banowsky made a rare preemptive move, rather than being forced, as he's typically reactive.
It's no secret Banowsky tried to increase the conference to 16 members earlier before defectors 2.0, only to be voted down by the AD's & Presidents. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that was his plan all along. Just needed the right "crisis" to come about.

It's the total track record of Banowsky... From letting the first round of defectors leave without a fight- or obviously exit fees, even though they were bound legally, it set the tone early on regarding his tenure.
...To never raising a peep about the inequities of the AQ system, even though it was creating an unfair & possible illegal caste system. Even though Cowan at Tulane was fighting, the Utah AG was fighting, even Thompson at the MWC was fighting the unfairness. But not a single word from BB.
To me, this smacks of someone without internal fortitude, to fight for what is right for the conference members-rather than his own interests i.e. his job.

So, his latest dubious actions have to be examined a lot more than the networks made him do so.
He's not perfect, as none of us are, but for 900K per year, I'd expect a little bit more perfection.
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(03-13-2013 09:57 AM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  
(03-13-2013 09:42 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  If we're going to pre-CUSA past, Rice has a 70k stadium, has finished top ten in the country in attendance, one sweet 16 and two elite eight appearances, a Sugar Bowl appearance, an Orange Bowl win, and four Cotton Bowl appearances (three wins). And a national championship in baseball. (Which even occurred this century.)
Hopefully that has cheered Andre up.

Rice has perhaps, the biggest reason to complain than anyone in the NCAAs regarding expansion.
Rich history, tradition, location, & could buy out any school in most conferences. Some schools 3-4 times.
They're great conference mates.
Restart the SWC anyone?

(03-13-2013 11:10 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Rice is one of the few teams in any of these conferences that I'm truly enthusiastic about being in a conference with. Really, Rice is one of my favorite schools in the whole world, and perhaps the only "elite" school that I have any affection for.

Thanks guys. My post was about 50% genuine pride in our history, and about 50% self-deprecating because of how far back in history most of it is. Hopefully we are on the upswing. Most of us have high hopes for next year. 04-cheers
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