(03-12-2013 04:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  That's the part I don't think you get. Most conferences had had hard time getting equal money for new additions unless they are home runs (Nebraska to Big Ten, Texas A&M to SEC). When you are getting the same value for additional teams you are "moving up" as you do for your current teams, that is a BIG incentive.

Exactly. The incentive is that if we don't expand now we might not get the same deal down the road.

we're going to 12 and i think we all know who the 11 are. the question remains who will be the 12th.(although i think we know that also) i hope they announce all members at the same time, no matter what year they come

(03-12-2013 08:32 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  i hope they announce all members at the same time, no matter what year they come

Agree!

It would help all of the teams with recruiting and it would be nice not to have to have another 6 months to a year of guessing and message board rumors as to who/when or if the next two teams will be added.

Even if SLU and Dayton or whoever are going to officially join a year later being able to sell the Big East to recruits will help make sure both teams enter the league ready to compete.

I still think end of the day, we're going to see 12 teams for 2013. I think too much $$$ for us to not go 12 immediately.

(03-12-2013 08:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I still think end of the day, we're going to see 12 teams for 2013. I think too much $$$ for us to not go 12 immediately.

It's possible, I wouldn't be shocked.

I'd be shocked if we weren't 10 next year (and the year after). I think being at 10 in 10 years is more likely than 12 next year.

(03-12-2013 09:08 PM)Title Wrote:  I'd be shocked if we weren't 10 next year (and the year after). I think being at 10 in 10 years is more likely than 12 next year.

I disagree, i don't see us being at 10 past next season.

(03-12-2013 09:11 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:08 PM)Title Wrote:  I'd be shocked if we weren't 10 next year (and the year after). I think being at 10 in 10 years is more likely than 12 next year.

I disagree, i don't see us being at 10 past next season.

I think you read his post wrong

(03-12-2013 09:50 PM)Roader Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:11 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:08 PM)Title Wrote:  I'd be shocked if we weren't 10 next year (and the year after). I think being at 10 in 10 years is more likely than 12 next year.

I disagree, i don't see us being at 10 past next season.

I think you read his post wrong

No, he thinks there is a better chance at being at 10 teams in 10 years than at 12 next year. I think there is no way we go past one year of 10 but i do see a possibility of actually starting at 12 next year.

(03-11-2013 09:16 PM)ivet Wrote:  This is what Frank has been arguing since the breakup was announced and the potential contract with fox was announced.


Football is the financial bell cow of college sports, but Fox chased the basketball-only conference for several reasons:

¶ Fox Sports 1 doesn’t need football, but basketball is the cream of the old Big East, especially as Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and Rutgers exit the conference.

¶ Basketball adds volume to Fox Sports 1 as it plans to make its debut Aug. 17 with as many as 90 million subscribers.

¶ The seven universities bring Fox history and rivalries, especially Georgetown, St. John’s, Seton Hall and Providence, four of the original seven Big East teams, and Villanova. (Marquette and DePaul are the sixth and seventh programs.)

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I didn't know this but this but I can see why fox is trying to gobble up as much college sports as they can right now.
"ESPN made deals recently to make certain that no one, including Fox, could get the B.C.S. games and the new B.C.S. playoff system until 2026."

This post deserves a second read - especially the bolded part. For anyone who thinks that history doesn't matter, here's concrete evidence that it does where it matters most - in the value to a TV contract.

(03-12-2013 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the more teams you have in the conference is the more games available to fox. I get what you are saying about teams 11&12 being worth less than 8-10. I do wonder and said so earlier if the money for 11 & 12 is contingent on it being specific schools.

One thing to keep in mind. Say our other revenue outside the TV deal is 50 million for 10 teams(naming rights for BET, hoops money, etc). 5 million per school. For us to break even, we'd have to make 10 million more. Even if the team made tourney each year and made sweet 16 each year- 3 per year- 18 total- that's only 4.5 million dollars. I mean- VCU(not pushing it, but just using as example because I think they would have the most units)- right now this year would have 10 units, worth 2.5 million dollars. That's with 4 NCAA spots and a final 4. The most of any of the new additions for this year are Butler and Xavier with 16 units each. So if they were teams 11 and 12- they would bring 8 million more. The only other revenue that I see them bringing would be the fact we'd get an extra session in the BET.

I found your example a little confusing. Are you suggesting that new members bring their NCAA tourney units with them? (They don't.)

(03-12-2013 10:06 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the more teams you have in the conference is the more games available to fox. I get what you are saying about teams 11&12 being worth less than 8-10. I do wonder and said so earlier if the money for 11 & 12 is contingent on it being specific schools.

One thing to keep in mind. Say our other revenue outside the TV deal is 50 million for 10 teams(naming rights for BET, hoops money, etc). 5 million per school. For us to break even, we'd have to make 10 million more. Even if the team made tourney each year and made sweet 16 each year- 3 per year- 18 total- that's only 4.5 million dollars. I mean- VCU(not pushing it, but just using as example because I think they would have the most units)- right now this year would have 10 units, worth 2.5 million dollars. That's with 4 NCAA spots and a final 4. The most of any of the new additions for this year are Butler and Xavier with 16 units each. So if they were teams 11 and 12- they would bring 8 million more. The only other revenue that I see them bringing would be the fact we'd get an extra session in the BET.

I found your examnple a little confusing. Are you suggesting that new members bring their NCAA tourney units with them? (They don't.)

no- but I'm saying when we get to the 6 year mark what teams can be earning. The most I saw anyone earn was Louisville with 17 units this year.

(03-12-2013 10:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:06 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 04:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, the more teams you have in the conference is the more games available to fox. I get what you are saying about teams 11&12 being worth less than 8-10. I do wonder and said so earlier if the money for 11 & 12 is contingent on it being specific schools.

One thing to keep in mind. Say our other revenue outside the TV deal is 50 million for 10 teams(naming rights for BET, hoops money, etc). 5 million per school. For us to break even, we'd have to make 10 million more. Even if the team made tourney each year and made sweet 16 each year- 3 per year- 18 total- that's only 4.5 million dollars. I mean- VCU(not pushing it, but just using as example because I think they would have the most units)- right now this year would have 10 units, worth 2.5 million dollars. That's with 4 NCAA spots and a final 4. The most of any of the new additions for this year are Butler and Xavier with 16 units each. So if they were teams 11 and 12- they would bring 8 million more. The only other revenue that I see them bringing would be the fact we'd get an extra session in the BET.

I found your examnple a little confusing. Are you suggesting that new members bring their NCAA tourney units with them? (They don't.)

no- but I'm saying when we get to the 6 year mark what teams can be earning. The most I saw anyone earn was Louisville with 17 units this year.

Thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate it.