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RE: My ideal conference
NOW
(03-11-2013 04:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: (03-11-2013 02:59 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (03-11-2013 02:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (03-11-2013 02:03 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: (03-11-2013 01:24 PM)LSUtah Wrote: Hybrids suck...both cars and conferences.
Agreed. The fact that Syracuse values their basketball rivalries above all other rivalries is a big reason why there is no eastern football conference...
And before anyone starts trying to place all the blame on Penn State, just remember that BC and Syracuse walked away before attempting any compromise solutions...
Whos to say that Joepa was willing to compromise? Joepa approached them, but he wanted to split all revenues except fb? Why would SU want to share their bb revenues and let Penn State keep all their fb revenues? Why didnt WV take the lead in trying to resolve the issue with a compromise?
He's just PO'd about Syracuse for whatever reason. Call him on the facts and he'll simply say that he "doesn't care because WVU is in the Big XII now." This convo has all happened before.
WVU was trying to work on a compromise. But as usual, WVU got no backing from anyone else, since they all knew better than to listen to any ideas from what they considered a bunch of dumb hoopies...
I am over it. It's ancient history now, and there's no changing it, no matter how many imaginary threads get created about the old idea of eastern football. But it doesn't change my ire at the way things worked out...
However, I realize that even though journalists educated at Syracuse have tried to throw the blame elsewhere, it rests in their hands. The Orange valued basketball above football so much that they were willing to walk away from the table before compromise discussions bore any fruit. They were unwilling to try to work on a compromise. No amount of historical rewriting can change that...
BEFORE
(02-12-2013 08:54 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: (02-11-2013 10:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: (02-11-2013 10:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote: I think Tranghese was worst than Marinara...but the league failed when PSU wasn't brought in under Gavitt.
Bringing Penn State into a basketball league was the solution? 
Look in the other direction. It was the failure of 2 football schools to leave the basketball league to join Penn State in Paterno's proposed all sports league that was the real problem.
But why was that? Why weren't they and others willing to join Paterno? Maybe you should look for the answer to that question.
Melkey, when Penn State was denied entry into The BEast under Gavitt, they ruined any chance for a meaningful eastern football conference. Penn State was a cornerstone for eastern football. Syracuse and BC didn't join the eastern conference because they were unwilling to give Penn State unequal money on football, which is what Penn State wanted. They were also unwilling to wait around for any compromise, which the other schools opposed to Penn State's demand were trying to work on when they split for The BEast...
However, once The BEast was created, an eastern football conference was still a possibility. All that would have required was for The BEast to accept Penn State's application for membership...
If they had done that, Penn State wouldn't have been in the position of strength, and any football conference created under The BEast flag would have been able to override any demand for unequal revenue sharing, since Penn State wouldn't have been in a position to demand it...
But The BEast said no to Penn State, a new President was chosen in State College, PA, and his priority was joining the B1G. Once that happened, any chance at The BEast forming a true eastern football conference was doomed to failure, which we've all seen come to pass...
Had The BEast accepted Penn State, I seriously doubt they'd have pushed for membership in the B1G. Paterno didn't give up hope for creating an eastern football conference until after The BEast said no...
AND
(02-12-2013 06:19 PM)nzmorange Wrote: (02-11-2013 10:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: Melkey, the non-football schools did hold the football schools back. They were able to because schools like BC, Syracuse, and UConn, founding members of the conference, always sided with the non-football schools against the best interests of football...
Why did those schools do that? Because their first interest was basketball, not football...
The only schools that continually pushed for the improvement of the football product were WVU, Rutgers, and Pitt, with occasional backing from Miami and VT, prior to their exit. But there was never a consensus, or a majority able to overrule the non-football schools, because they kept the membership even, knowing they had the backing of those football schools whose main interest lied outside of football, which gave them confidence in knowing they'd always have control...
1. Fun fact #1 SU has and always will have a winning BIG EAST football record.
2. Fun fact #2 SU is much of the reason why the BIG EAST sponsored football.
3. Fun fact #3 RU almost got booted from the BIG EAST for failing to support their football program. So no, "[t]he only schools that continually pushed for the improvement of the football product were WVU, Rutgers, and Pitt" isn't even close to being accurate.
4. Fun fact #4 SU voted for Penn State against the basketball-only schools. Having PSU in the BIG EAST in the 90's would have saved the conference.
5. Fun fact #5 SU has a winning football record against WVU.
So remind me, other than hiring a bad football coach in the mid 2000's, how exactly did Syracuse kill BIG EAST football?
You have tried all this before, and it didn't work then. Don't expect it to work now. Also, pointing out that Syracuse has good academics doesn't make you right. In fact, no amount of off the wall West Virginia conspiracy theories are going to make you right. They have all been tried before and Syracuse and the ACC are still around. Save the cliche WVU mud slinging. It's getting embarrassing.
For the record:
"Despite all the negativity that comes out about Jake [Syracuse's AD], he fought like crazy for Penn State to be in the league. Syracuse and Boston College really fought to have Penn State because Jake understood the importance of Penn State...The next year Dave brought it up for discussion and Jake was absolutely supportive. We voted five different times and all five times Jake voted for Penn State. And Bill Flynn at Boston College, God rest his soul, voted for Penn State all five times. The reason that they didn’t get in was that the league was new, a lot of the directors felt it was a basketball league. Some of the directors felt that the concept of the Big East was big markets. It was a 5-3 vote that changed the face of history."
-Former Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese (Prov College grad)
(This post was last modified: 03-11-2013 07:05 PM by nzmorange.)
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