G-Pearl Washington, Syracuse
G-Ray Allen, UConn
C-Patrick Ewing, Georgetown
F-Chris Mullen, St Johns
F-Derrick Coleman, Syracuse
bench:
Allen Iverson, Georgetown
Walter Berry, St John's
Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse
Charles Smith, Pitt
Kerry Kittles, Villanova
Richard Hamilton, UConn
Coach:
Jim Calhoun, UConn
RU- John Thompson, Georgetown
Kind of tough to argue with any of the players.
At first wasn't sure about the coach selection- but then looked- UConn has tied for most BE titles. Amazingly thru the entire league history, Syracuse only has 5 titles. Thought it'd be much more than that.
When Chris Mullin was with the Pacers, he'd get his hair cut at this little barbershop about a mile away from the office I was working. I'm not sure how often he'd get that flat top freshened up, but it seemed like every time I'd pass by there he was in the chair at lunch time.
I was about to add a plea for Pearl Washington. He was something very special. No arguments about the coach. Numbers don't lie, but the old Big East had many great & colorful coaches.
BTW; congrats Georgetown, you have a helluva team. Hope we can continue playing in the future.
Patrick Ewing
Rip Hamilton
Carmelo Anthony
Emeka Okafor
Kemba Walker
Favorite Players to Watch: Chris Mullin, John Pinone, Jerome Lane, Billy Donovan, Ray Allen, Kerry Kittles, Gerry McNamara, Kevin Pittsnogle, Randy Foye
Most Underrated Player: Eddie Pinckney
(This post was last modified: 03-14-2013 06:19 AM by Melky Cabrera.)
G-Pearl Washington, Syracuse
G-Ray Allen, UConn
C-Patrick Ewing, Georgetown
F-Chris Mullen, St Johns
F-Derrick Coleman, Syracuse
bench:
Allen Iverson, Georgetown
Walter Berry, St John's
Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse
Charles Smith, Pitt
Kerry Kittles, Villanova
Richard Hamilton, UConn
Coach:
Jim Calhoun, UConn
RU- John Thompson, Georgetown
Kind of tough to argue with any of the players.
At first wasn't sure about the coach selection- but then looked- UConn has tied for most BE titles. Amazingly thru the entire league history, Syracuse only has 5 titles. Thought it'd be much more than that.
Pretty easy to argue with that list IMO. No Carmelo? No Gerry McNamara?
How does he leave off Emeka Okafor and Kemba Walker? Especially Kemba who put a team on his back and took it through 5 wins to a Big East tournament and then 6 more to a national championship?
Part of it is he tried to actually make a team. Okafor it's pretty easy to see him being left behind Ewing and Mourning. Walker I could see but then again, who are you going to leave out? Carmelo made the team.
(03-13-2013 07:50 AM)stever20 Wrote: Part of it is he tried to actually make a team. Okafor it's pretty easy to see him being left behind Ewing and Mourning. Walker I could see but then again, who are you going to leave out? Carmelo made the team.
Okafor actually took a team to a national championship; Alonzo didn't do that. He didn't even get them to a Final Four.
If I'm looking for a point guard, I'd take Kemba 10 times out of 10 over Pearl. The Pearl was fun, but he came nowhere close to accomplishing what Kemba Walker did.
Carmelo made the honorable mention group, he didn't make the first team. I loved watching Mullin play, perhaps my favorite Big East player ever, but I would take Melo over Mullin, DC, or Ray Allen. Mullin actually played guard at St. John's, so replacing Allen with Melo still has everyone playing their natural positions.
I think part of Mourning over Okafor is Mourning stayed 4 years, Okafor didn't.
same with Melo- he only was there for 1 year. Not going to take him over Mullin, DC- who both played 4 years, or Ray Allen- who played 3 years.
(03-13-2013 07:50 AM)stever20 Wrote: Part of it is he tried to actually make a team. Okafor it's pretty easy to see him being left behind Ewing and Mourning. Walker I could see but then again, who are you going to leave out? Carmelo made the team.
Okafor actually took a team to a national championship; Alonzo didn't do that. He didn't even get them to a Final Four.
If I'm looking for a point guard, I'd take Kemba 10 times out of 10 over Pearl. The Pearl was fun, but he came nowhere close to accomplishing what Kemba Walker did.
Carmelo made the honorable mention group, he didn't make the first team. I loved watching Mullin play, perhaps my favorite Big East player ever, but I would take Melo over Mullin, DC, or Ray Allen. Mullin actually played guard at St. John's, so replacing Allen with Melo still has everyone playing their natural positions.
Alanzo was only 1 of 3 players to win MVP of the BET and not win the championship.
(03-13-2013 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote: I think part of Mourning over Okafor is Mourning stayed 4 years, Okafor didn't.
I realize Okafor won a title, but I can't see taking him over Mourning in any way. Combine that Mourning probably had some of his numbers supressed because he played for two years with another great big (I don't include the first year since Mutombo mostly played behind him his rookie year), I just couldn't see taking Okafor first.
(03-13-2013 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote: I think part of Mourning over Okafor is Mourning stayed 4 years, Okafor didn't.
same with Melo- he only was there for 1 year. Not going to take him over Mullin, DC- who both played 4 years, or Ray Allen- who played 3 years.
You probably do have a point with Walker though.
You have a point about Melo as a one-and-done, but Okafor was there for 3 years. IMO, the one year difference at that point is insignificant.
I look at Melo simply as playing in a different era. If DC played in that era, he too would have been one-and-done. Another way to look at it is that Melo did in one year what those other guys couldn't do in 4.
As a UConn fan, I loved Ray, but was he better than Kerry Kittles or Allen Iverson who both played in the same era? Those guys played some classic match ups, but against national competition they always fell a little short.
We each have our own preferences, but when I see the guys who made the difference between a national championship or not, or a Final four or not, I have to go with the ones who took their team the extra mile.
(03-13-2013 11:13 AM)stever20 Wrote: I think part of Mourning over Okafor is Mourning stayed 4 years, Okafor didn't.
I realize Okafor won a title, but I can't see taking him over Mourning in any way. Combine that Mourning probably had some of his numbers supressed because he played for two years with another great big (I don't include the first year since Mutombo mostly played behind him his rookie year), I just couldn't see taking Okafor first.
Alonzo had Mutombo playing with him. So, shouldn't that have made Georgetown better? But they never got to a Final Four and won only one Big East title in 4 years with Alonzo. I was at the Garden for UConn's first Big East title. They had to use 3 different centers because of fouls, but none of them were special and they were able to effectively neutralize Georgetown's inside game so that UConn could win. On paper, Georgetown was the better team, but it didn't work out that way in the tournament and that was the story of Alonzo's career.
Compare that to Okafor who won two titles in 3 years and got to the finals all 3 years. (Georgetown missed one year with Alonzo.) Th eone year they didn't win the Big East was the national championships season. Some consolation prize.
I don't know what made Alonzo better. His meaner attitude while Emeka was more of a gentleman? I liked alonzo, but he just didn't elevate his team to the level that Okafor did.
(03-13-2013 01:54 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: Alonzo had Mutombo playing with him. So, shouldn't that have made Georgetown better? But they never got to a Final Four and won only one Big East title in 4 years with Alonzo.
Team success and individual player success are not the same thing. Otherwise why is Allen Iverson on this list? His teams did okay int he NCAA tournmanet, but no final fours either. The reason I mentioned Mutombo is because both were centers playing side by side for two seasons, and Mutombo accumulated a lot of blocks and rebounds that Mourning may have otherwise had (judging by how much higher his block and rebound counts were the two years he played either w/o Mutombo, or with Mutombo only playing a reserve role). That was the only reason I mentioned it. But he also
Obviously stats don't mean everything, but it gives you an idea. Also judging by the names on th elist, their NBA careers have had at least some influence on this list (fair or not).
(03-13-2013 04:26 PM)BigBCherney Wrote: My Big East all time First, Second, and Third teams. First team pretty common. Second and Third teams might be different than others.
First Team: All Time Big East
G - Ray Allen (UConn)
G - Pearl Washington (Syracuse)
F - Chris Mullen (St. John's)
F - Derrick Coleman (Syracuse)
C - Patrick Ewing (Georgetown)
Second Team: All Time Big East
G - Terry Dehere (Seton Hall)
G - Lawrence Moten (Syracuse)
F - Charles Smith (Pitt)
F - Reggie Williams (Georgetown)
C - Alonzo Mourning (Georgetown)
Third Team: All Time Big East
G - Allen Iverson (Georgetown)
G - Kemba Walker (UConn)
F - Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse)
F - Malik Sealy (St. John's)
C - Emeka Okafur (UConn)
(03-13-2013 04:26 PM)BigBCherney Wrote: My Big East all time First, Second, and Third teams. First team pretty common. Second and Third teams might be different than others.
First Team: All Time Big East
G - Ray Allen (UConn)
G - Pearl Washington (Syracuse)
F - Chris Mullen (St. John's)
F - Derrick Coleman (Syracuse)
C - Patrick Ewing (Georgetown)
Second Team: All Time Big East
G - Terry Dehere (Seton Hall)
G - Lawrence Moten (Syracuse)
F - Charles Smith (Pitt)
F - Reggie Williams (Georgetown)
C - Alonzo Mourning (Georgetown)
Third Team: All Time Big East
G - Allen Iverson (Georgetown)
G - Kemba Walker (UConn)
F - Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse)
F - Malik Sealy (St. John's)
C - Emeka Okafur (UConn)
Walter Berry Wooden Award winner?
My list rewarded longevity. That's why Iverson and Anthony are only 3rd team guys. And Anthony made my list because he won a National Championship. Berry only played two years. Didn't make my cut.
