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RE: NCAA tourney qualifiers already killing the field.
The bigger conferences tend to make good money and get good publicity from their conference tournaments so that's not going away. One reason these tournaments are popular is because of the potential "Cinderella Factor" involved, so that's not going away either.

(03-11-2013 09:08 AM)Tintin Wrote:  I'd rather see Grambling that the sixth or seventh best team from the acc, big 12 or sec.


^^^^THIS^^^^
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Conference tournaments are about the $, and nothing more.
The Ivy League does it right. If you can't make a case for the NCAA selection committee after almost 30 games, then you shouldn't be there.
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I love conference tournaments. In fact, I enjoy watching small conference tournaments more than I enjoy the ncaa tournament. I understand how it hurts the bubble teams, but as a consumer, it's awesome seeing these small conference schools fight tooth and nail for something that actually matters. You know only one team from these conferences is getting in and that's why it's awesome to watch.

I could care less about watching the ACC or SEC tournaments where the top 10 teams will get in, and the NCAA tournament is cool for a few rounds, but it doesn't matter much to me that Duke or Indiana or whoever will win yet another championship.

I'd also rather see a team like MTSU in it than like Alabama. Teams in big conferences tend to have better resumes because they get more shots at big wins (and often while at home). That doesn't make them better
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If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).
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The Conference tournament does not cheapen the regular season, it enhances it. Teams that get off to slow starts due to injury or inexperience still have something to play for. So instead of packing it in they can continue to work and improve. It makes for more competitive games in February.
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RE: NCAA tourney qualifiers already killing the field.
(03-11-2013 02:17 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  Middle Tenn won the Sun Belt regular season and now have to settle for NIT since they didn't win the tournament

That's exactly what I am talking about. Middle Tennessee had an incredible run in the Sun Belt regular season. They go 19-1 in league play and win many of those 19 in blowout fashion. They have a bad game in the Sun Belt tournament and now they are probably headed to the NIT. The NCAA tournament would have been stronger with Middle in the Dance instead of a terribly mediocre FIU or Western Kentucky that will most likely get bounced quickly. Plus, the Sun Belt stood a decent chance of Middle winning a game or two in the Dance which means more tournament money for the league.

Thats more of a slam of the NCAAs than it is the conference tourn. MTSU obviously deserves to be there over the 7th place Big 10 school or whomever will get the spot.
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(03-11-2013 09:02 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Don't worry people, in a few years they'll be 96 teams making the tourney and every conference's regular season AND tourney champs will be getting in.

Works for me.
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(03-11-2013 12:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).

Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.
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MTSU deserves to be in the tournament. This is a opinion to which most agree. Sending the tournament champion as AQ is the decision of the conference as a whole. It is not a unique situation however. No one forces the conferences to do this. The best time to have this argument is before the season not after.
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(03-12-2013 10:33 AM)redfan Wrote:  MTSU deserves to be in the tournament. This is a opinion to which most agree. Sending the tournament champion as AQ is the decision of the conference as a whole. It is not a unique situation however. No one forces the conferences to do this. The best time to have this argument is before the season not after.

Exactly. Every conference has a choice in how they determine the "conference champion." Just like everything else in college athletics, conferences can't pass up the opportunity to make another $ with the season ending tournament.

It would be a crime if the Blue Raiders weren't in the tournament. I'm confident that they will have their ticket punched Sunday.
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(03-12-2013 10:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).

Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.

This. MT dominated the Sun Belt. And one bad game in the conference tournament (28-5 record, mind you) might cost us an NCAA berth.

It would be a crime to not let MT in the NCAA this year. I know there's lots of other "bubble teams" but seriously, what team gets Top 25 votes (we were #26 last week in Coaches' Poll) and doesn't get in?
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(03-12-2013 11:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).

Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.

This. MT dominated the Sun Belt. And one bad game in the conference tournament (28-5 record, mind you) might cost us an NCAA berth.

It would be a crime to not let MT in the NCAA this year. I know there's lots of other "bubble teams" but seriously, what team gets Top 25 votes (we were #26 last week in Coaches' Poll) and doesn't get in?

I can't recall if there has ever been a "30ish" RPI team not included in the field, but it would be a huge surprise if it happened this year to MT.
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I know Drexel had a good resume last year and didn't get in. I don't remember but I'm sure their RPI was up there.
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(03-12-2013 11:50 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  I know Drexel had a good resume last year and didn't get in. I don't remember but I'm sure their RPI was up there.

Drexel had a 66 RPI and 212 SOS. They weren't going dancing.

MTSU has a 29 RPI and 128 SOS.

I believe MTSU makes it in as a 12 seed or better.
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The problem we face is we only have two Top 100 wins. We have quite a few wins from 101 to 125 and a few more in the Top 150, but 100 is apparently some magical number for the committee for some reason.
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(03-12-2013 11:43 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).

Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.

This. MT dominated the Sun Belt. And one bad game in the conference tournament (28-5 record, mind you) might cost us an NCAA berth.

It would be a crime to not let MT in the NCAA this year. I know there's lots of other "bubble teams" but seriously, what team gets Top 25 votes (we were #26 last week in Coaches' Poll) and doesn't get in?

I can't recall if there has ever been a "30ish" RPI team not included in the field, but it would be a huge surprise if it happened this year to MT.

Missouri State is the only team I remember missing out with an RPI of 29 or better. They were at 27 one year and got left out.
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(03-12-2013 12:41 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:43 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:10 PM)Tintin Wrote:  If there were 9 team conferences that played a balanced schedule (home and away with every team), I might agree one conference champ dancing (see IVY).

Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.

It would be a crime to not let MT in the NCAA this year. I know there's lots of other "bubble teams" but seriously, what team gets Top 25 votes (we were #26 last week in Coaches' Poll) and doesn't get in?

I can't recall if there has ever been a "30ish" RPI team not included in the field, but it would be a huge surprise if it happened this year to MT.

Missouri State is the only team I remember missing out with an RPI of 29 or better. They were at 27 one year and got left out.

I thought Missouri State was actuall at 21 or 23 that year. I would be interested in seeing a list of the 5-10 highest rated rpi teams to be left out of the dance.
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(03-11-2013 09:02 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Don't worry people, in a few years they'll be 96 teams making the tourney and every conference's regular season AND tourney champs will be getting in.

That would the only way to fix the problem.
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(03-12-2013 01:02 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 12:41 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:43 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 11:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(03-12-2013 10:13 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Middle Tennessee played everyone home and away losing only once on the road in overtime.

It would be a crime to not let MT in the NCAA this year. I know there's lots of other "bubble teams" but seriously, what team gets Top 25 votes (we were #26 last week in Coaches' Poll) and doesn't get in?

I can't recall if there has ever been a "30ish" RPI team not included in the field, but it would be a huge surprise if it happened this year to MT.

Missouri State is the only team I remember missing out with an RPI of 29 or better. They were at 27 one year and got left out.

I thought Missouri State was actuall at 21 or 23 that year. I would be interested in seeing a list of the 5-10 highest rated rpi teams to be left out of the dance.

In bold are the 11 teams with the best RPI's to be left out:

Top 50 RPI teams left out of the NCAA Tournament, 1994-2012
2012 (68 teams): #44 Marshall
2011 (68 teams): #35 Harvard, #42 Cleveland State, #43 Missouri State, #46 Saint Mary's, #50 Colorado State
2010 (65 teams): #40 Rhode Island, #43 Wichita State, #45 UAB, #47 Kent State
2009 (65 teams): #34 San Diego State, #40 Creighton, #46 UAB, #47 Illinois State, #48 Saint Mary's, #49 Niagara
2008 (65 teams): #32 Dayton, #33 Illinois State, #42 Massachusetts, #46 Creighton, #48 Mississippi, #49 Ohio State
2007 (65 teams): #30 Air Force, #36 Missouri State, #38 Bradley, #39 Drexel, #41 Florida State, #43 Utah State, #45 Clemson, #49 Alabama, #50 Syracuse
2006 (65 teams): #21 Missouri State, #30 Hofstra, #39 Creighton, #40 Cincinnati, #43 Saint Joseph's, #47 Michigan, #49 Maryland
2005 (65 teams): #39 Miami-Ohio, #45 Wichita State, #46 Buffalo
2004 (65 teams): #38 LSU, #43 Utah State, #48 Georgia, #49 Notre Dame, #50 Oklahoma
2003 (65 teams): #5 Georgia (on probation), #40 UNLV, #42 Seton Hall, #48 Texas Tech, #49 Boston College
2002 (65 teams): #43 Villanova, #46 Arkansas, #47 South Carolina, #50 Virginia
2001 (65 teams): #40 Mississippi State, #43 Richmond, #45 Villanova, #50 Utah
2000 (64 teams): #34 Missouri State, #36 Kent State, #39 Vanderbilt, #42 Villanova, #46 BYU, #49 SMU
1999 (64 teams): #40 Oregon, #41 TCU, #43 Rutgers, #46 DePaul, #47 Nebraska
1998 (64 teams): #35 Wake Forest, #44 Vanderbilt, #45 Hawaii
1997 (64 teams): #29 Texas Tech (on probation), #40 Michigan, #41 TCU, #42 Missouri State, #48 Oklahoma State, #49 West Virginia, #50 Hawaii
1996 (64 teams): #42 Providence, #43 Oklahoma State, #46 Minnesota, #48 Arkansas-Little Rock, #49 Illinois
1995 (64 teams): #36 Virginia Tech, #41 Saint Joseph's, #43 Ohio, #48 New Mexico State, #49 College of Charleston
1994 (64 teams): #33 Oklahoma, #35 Charlotte, #39 Georgia Tech, #46 BYU, #47 Villanova, #50 Kansas State
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That's certainly more than I would have thought; 11 teams in 18 years with an RPI of 35 or below.
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