So you are saying Texas's new cheer is now Hooker Horns?

(03-09-2013 10:50 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 10:04 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well this could certainly change things. This process will probably drag on for awhile though. It IS Texas after all. The amount of money and influence that will be thrown at this will probably be staggering.

It will be swept under the rug. People might lose their jobs but nothing major will happen after that.

If Mack and Dodd's were both fired that would send major ripples through the college football world.

Nahhh, UT won't skip a beat except to be burdened by sorry schools like Tech and Baylor who provide no value to the Big 12.

S/
Big 12 (Texas fan)

In a nutshell, UT athletics is one big sex scandal. From coaches having inappropriate liaisons with students to allegations of using the Texas Hostesses as a prostitution service for players and recruits.

Bev is out to nuke them because she, a female Olympic sport coach, got canned for doing the same thing that the male power sport coaches (Cleave, Major and Barnes in particular) have been doing and getting away with for years but have always had the AD sweeping their escapades under the rug to keep them employed or at least well taken care of in exchange for silence.

She knows where the bodies are buried and since she hasn't shut up and suddenly found a nice, 3 figure job watching movies in the back office of a big cigar horn booster's business like Cleave Bryant did, she seems more interested in revenge than blackmail....for now. UT has deep pockets to make these sort of problems go away.

Stay tuned!

(03-09-2013 07:56 AM)BullsFanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:39 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  It's too early in the morning for me to catch your drift. What are you saying is happening at Texas?

From what I can gather (I have no inside info, just a quick search): The Longhorns former women's track and field coach, recently fired for an inappropriate relationship with a student-athlete, has decided to take down others with her by naming others in the Athletic Department that had inappropriate relationships. Whether there is actual evidence to substantiate these claims is unknown at this time.

good for her

(03-09-2013 02:22 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  In a nutshell, UT athletics is one big sex scandal. From coaches having inappropriate liaisons with students to allegations of using the Texas Hostesses as a prostitution service for players and recruits.

Bev is out to nuke them because she, a female Olympic sport coach, got canned for doing the same thing that the male power sport coaches (Cleave, Major and Barnes in particular) have been doing and getting away with for years but have always had the AD sweeping their escapades under the rug to keep them employed or at least well taken care of in exchange for silence.

She knows where the bodies are buried and since she hasn't shut up and suddenly found a nice, 3 figure job watching movies in the back office of a big cigar horn booster's business like Cleave Bryant did, she seems more interested in revenge than blackmail....for now. UT has deep pockets to make these sort of problems go away.

Stay tuned!

ESPN interviewed recruits to Ohio State that stated the same practices were in effect. Miami's problems centered around strip clubs and prostitution, and now if this is true at UT we'll see. I know from over a decade of scrutinizing recruiting practices that alumni, parents, and the common fan would be shocked to find out what their schools may be guilty of doing.

It's about time the lid got blown of this trash can and the garbage inspected for what it was. My fears for the whistle blowing coach is that there will be too many up the chain of command that have either known about, or participated in the practice for it to get very far.

It was the first issue silenced at O.S.U., is hardly spoken of by the NCAA in regards to Miami, and now with a "sacred cow" like Bevo potentially involved it either gets swept under the rug again, or we finally get to clean this trash up. I know this practice has a history that dates back for decades and it needs to go.

I don't see the problem with having a relationship with a coach or professor as long as they aren't your coach or professor. We are all adults here.

I am starting to think this is just a PR push to try and get a settlement... I would be an excellent way to drive a deal by using the potential fear of bad press through social media to convince an organization to go ahead and "just settle".

(03-09-2013 03:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I don't see the problem with having a relationship with a coach or professor as long as they aren't your coach or professor. We are all adults here.

That is not at issue here. What is at issue here are power relationships used for sex. Sex used for recruits. Sex used for political or career advancement, etc. It affects all conferences and no one region may lay claim to the holy high ground on this one. That's why the lid has been so tight for so long. But in 40 plus years it has gone from setting recruits up with loose girls to procurement for boosters as well as recruits. It's a sordid mess that has no place on college campuses and it wreaks of the hypocrisy that the so called enlightened "moral" elite routinely castigate the rest of the public about. I guarantee congress won't want to touch this one.

(03-09-2013 12:25 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So you are saying Texas's new cheer is now Hooker Horns?

Now, that's funny.

From a source @ Shaggy

This is the post you guys have been waiting for. I called a buddy's Dad who is a 6-figure donor annually and has a lot of work connections to the big cigars. Back in 2010, Cleve must have thought that the Texas ath dept was his personal chicken house. There were always rumors of him getting head in his office. University employes saw him and grad assistant trainers out at bars, and basically everybody knew he was a sleazebag, but he was Mack's BFF and we were still just a year away from the NC game against Bama and no one messed with Mack.

Well, stuff hit the fan when stupid Cleve tried to get a lesbian to switch teams. Yes, THAT lesbian. Cleve tried to get some from Beverly. Mainly, it was innuendos in emails and the occasional univited visit to her office. Of course, she reported to Deloss, Powers etc. This was 2010, and nobody wanted to stir up too much crap with Mack's BFF. Fast forward 2 months, things are starting to settle down and it's the beginning of summer. Cleve usually held a BBQ at his place for some of the head coaches, good ole boys in the AD, and Bellmont big cigars every year for the past 4 or 5 years. He sends out email inviting everybody, yada yada.

Mack replies to Cleve something of along the lines of "Do not try to get Bev drunk or there will be hell to pay. Deloss already talked to you and we agreed to keep things quiet but the next strike and you're out." Except Mack hit REPLY ALL. It went to Bev, Deloss, Barnes, Powers, etc. Everybody now knew how shady Deloss kept things under wrap. At this point, Cleve is angry at Mack. Mack stupidly thought that if Cleve left town, the Mack Brown golden touch could smooth everything over. YEAH RIGHT. So Mack sends Cleve out to a "recruiting trip" to the East coast for a few days. The recruit was a 2 sport athlete from Philadelphia. Cleve had to go out to his basketball practice to try to talk to him, but a fight broke out. What did Cleve do? He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything he could say, that this cab was rare, but Cleve thought to himself "naw, forget it, yo home to bel-air!" Unbelievable.

(03-09-2013 03:18 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  I am starting to think this is just a PR push to try and get a settlement... I would be an excellent way to drive a deal by using the potential fear of bad press through social media to convince an organization to go ahead and "just settle".

The attorney representing her would not be doing his/her job in a suit against a public entity without doing a Freedom of Information Act request as part of the discovery process.

(03-09-2013 04:38 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  From a source @ Shaggy

What did Cleve do?

He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything he could say, that this cab was rare, but Cleve thought to himself "naw, forget it, yo home to bel-air!"

Been awhile since anyone's been Fresh-Princed . . .

(03-09-2013 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I don't see the problem with having a relationship with a coach or professor as long as they aren't your coach or professor. We are all adults here.

That is not at issue here. What is at issue here are power relationships used for sex. Sex used for recruits. Sex used for political or career advancement, etc. It affects all conferences and no one region may lay claim to the holy high ground on this one. That's why the lid has been so tight for so long. But in 40 plus years it has gone from setting recruits up with loose girls to procurement for boosters as well as recruits. It's a sordid mess that has no place on college campuses and it wreaks of the hypocrisy that the so called enlightened "moral" elite routinely castigate the rest of the public about. I guarantee congress won't want to touch this one.

Here's a question: If what you're saying about "power" and "sex" are true, wouldn't the EEOC get involved? If so, some lawyer is going to have a field day in Austin; last time I checked, the damages were based on the number of employees at a business. I would imagine Texas has a lot of them.

I would be ashamed and would immediately stop supporting the Pirates if we had to endure this kind of humiliation... God, I hope that nothing like this goes on in Greenville.

I'm going to hold judgement until something more develops. But I will say I wouldn't be surprised if this is more fluid across the national scene in all sports.

To add to the above:

Quote:Update from Chip Brown:


Friday was one of the craziest days I've had on the Texas beat in a while.

I was told early in the day the attorneys for former Texas women's track coach Bev Kearney may be preparing to name names as it pertains to the digging they've been doing on others at Texas possibly having inappropriate relationships.

Some of the allegations I was told could have crippled the administration.

But after calling everyone I know at Texas to root out if there was any merit to some of the most damaging allegations, I was told that if Kearney's attorneys released this information, it would merely be guesses on their part.

Have there been some inappropriate relationships at the university that could be very damaging to the current administration that have not been reported at this point? Either because Kearney's attorneys don't have enough evidence or a deposition to back it up?

It's very possible.

But Kearney's attorneys are not playing those cards at this point. So the threat of more revelations simply drags on with everyone wondering if Kearney's attorneys will ultimately have the goods to go public with such revelations. Or have the ability to gather/confirm that information in a deposition that could be used as testimony in court.

One thing I do know is the University of Texas is not going to settle with Bev Kearney, who was pushed out last fall for having an inappropriate relationship with one of her student-athletes 10 years ago.

She wants the value of the new contract she was about to be paid ($2.5 million), plus some damages, so at least $3 million. The UT regents would have to approve anything more than $1 million. And the regents are not going to approve it.

As most know, the UT System regents board is appointed by Gov. Rick Perry, who has been at odds with Texas president Bill Powers over numerous issues.

I'm being told, if Kearney's attorneys have the goods, it will all be allowed to come out, because the regents are diametrically opposed to paying her off to keep quiet. They are of the mind that if Kearney wants to file a discrimination or gender bias lawsuit against the university by making such a claim with the EEOC (the agency that enforces federal employment discrimination laws), so be it.

So we wait.

Kearney's attorneys have not yet filed such a complaint with the EEOC possibly because they've been fishing for a settlement that doesn't appear to be coming.

When Mack Brown's former director of football operations, Cleve Bryant, was being pushed out the door because of a sexual harassment complaint against him from a female in the Texas football office, Bryant was ready to fight back legally and name some names of his own.

But, according to multiple sources, prominent Texas booster Jim Bob Moffett, the head of Freeport MacMoRan, a gold and copper mining giant, entered the picture and hired Bryant as a personal assistant. And Bryant went away quietly and has declined interview requests since.

If there was another Texas booster out there ready to hire Kearney at the cost of $3 million to be a personal assistant, that person probably would have surfaced by now.

If Kearney's attorneys truly have information that could bring down the administration at Texas, it's probably time to file that complaint with the EEOC and prove it - because a formal settlement isn't coming.

So basically its a matter of "LOT of dead bodies, but can you habeas some corpus?"

(03-09-2013 04:38 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  From a source @ Shaggy

This is the post you guys have been waiting for. I called a buddy's Dad who is a 6-figure donor annually and has a lot of work connections to the big cigars. Back in 2010, Cleve must have thought that the Texas ath dept was his personal chicken house. There were always rumors of him getting head in his office. University employes saw him and grad assistant trainers out at bars, and basically everybody knew he was a sleazebag, but he was Mack's BFF and we were still just a year away from the NC game against Bama and no one messed with Mack.

Well, stuff hit the fan when stupid Cleve tried to get a lesbian to switch teams. Yes, THAT lesbian. Cleve tried to get some from Beverly. Mainly, it was innuendos in emails and the occasional univited visit to her office. Of course, she reported to Deloss, Powers etc. This was 2010, and nobody wanted to stir up too much crap with Mack's BFF. Fast forward 2 months, things are starting to settle down and it's the beginning of summer. Cleve usually held a BBQ at his place for some of the head coaches, good ole boys in the AD, and Bellmont big cigars every year for the past 4 or 5 years. He sends out email inviting everybody, yada yada.

Mack replies to Cleve something of along the lines of "Do not try to get Bev drunk or there will be hell to pay. Deloss already talked to you and we agreed to keep things quiet but the next strike and you're out." Except Mack hit REPLY ALL. It went to Bev, Deloss, Barnes, Powers, etc. Everybody now knew how shady Deloss kept things under wrap. At this point, Cleve is angry at Mack. Mack stupidly thought that if Cleve left town, the Mack Brown golden touch could smooth everything over. YEAH RIGHT. So Mack sends Cleve out to a "recruiting trip" to the East coast for a few days. The recruit was a 2 sport athlete from Philadelphia. Cleve had to go out to his basketball practice to try to talk to him, but a fight broke out. What did Cleve do? He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything he could say, that this cab was rare, but Cleve thought to himself "naw, forget it, yo home to bel-air!" Unbelievable.

What is it with former UNC coaches

(03-09-2013 07:45 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 03:14 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I don't see the problem with having a relationship with a coach or professor as long as they aren't your coach or professor. We are all adults here.

That is not at issue here. What is at issue here are power relationships used for sex. Sex used for recruits. Sex used for political or career advancement, etc. It affects all conferences and no one region may lay claim to the holy high ground on this one. That's why the lid has been so tight for so long. But in 40 plus years it has gone from setting recruits up with loose girls to procurement for boosters as well as recruits. It's a sordid mess that has no place on college campuses and it wreaks of the hypocrisy that the so called enlightened "moral" elite routinely castigate the rest of the public about. I guarantee congress won't want to touch this one.

Here's a question: If what you're saying about "power" and "sex" are true, wouldn't the EEOC get involved? If so, some lawyer is going to have a field day in Austin; last time I checked, the damages were based on the number of employees at a business. I would imagine Texas has a lot of them.

I would be ashamed and would immediately stop supporting the Pirates if we had to endure this kind of humiliation... God, I hope that nothing like this goes on in Greenville.

My gut feel is this is nothing more than the Les Miles stuff, except that Bev Kearney's attorney may be starting these false rumours. She's clearly going scorched earth. She screwed up, destroyed her own great career and wants to blame others.

The Texas administration would simply not allow this sort of stuff to go on if they knew about it. Doubt that the athletic department was covering up from the administration. Doesn't seem like Dodds style to take all the risk himself.

(03-09-2013 04:38 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  From a source @ Shaggy

This is the post you guys have been waiting for. I called a buddy's Dad who is a 6-figure donor annually and has a lot of work connections to the big cigars. Back in 2010, Cleve must have thought that the Texas ath dept was his personal chicken house. There were always rumors of him getting head in his office. University employes saw him and grad assistant trainers out at bars, and basically everybody knew he was a sleazebag, but he was Mack's BFF and we were still just a year away from the NC game against Bama and no one messed with Mack.

Well, stuff hit the fan when stupid Cleve tried to get a lesbian to switch teams. Yes, THAT lesbian. Cleve tried to get some from Beverly. Mainly, it was innuendos in emails and the occasional univited visit to her office. Of course, she reported to Deloss, Powers etc. This was 2010, and nobody wanted to stir up too much crap with Mack's BFF. Fast forward 2 months, things are starting to settle down and it's the beginning of summer. Cleve usually held a BBQ at his place for some of the head coaches, good ole boys in the AD, and Bellmont big cigars every year for the past 4 or 5 years. He sends out email inviting everybody, yada yada.

Mack replies to Cleve something of along the lines of "Do not try to get Bev drunk or there will be hell to pay. Deloss already talked to you and we agreed to keep things quiet but the next strike and you're out." Except Mack hit REPLY ALL. It went to Bev, Deloss, Barnes, Powers, etc. Everybody now knew how shady Deloss kept things under wrap. At this point, Cleve is angry at Mack. Mack stupidly thought that if Cleve left town, the Mack Brown golden touch could smooth everything over. YEAH RIGHT. So Mack sends Cleve out to a "recruiting trip" to the East coast for a few days. The recruit was a 2 sport athlete from Philadelphia. Cleve had to go out to his basketball practice to try to talk to him, but a fight broke out. What did Cleve do? He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything he could say, that this cab was rare, but Cleve thought to himself "naw, forget it, yo home to bel-air!" Unbelievable.

If all she's got is that Bryant is a sleazy horndog and the UT administration looked the other way for too long before canning Bryant, then she's got nothing that isn't already public information.

(03-10-2013 10:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:38 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  From a source @ Shaggy

This is the post you guys have been waiting for. I called a buddy's Dad who is a 6-figure donor annually and has a lot of work connections to the big cigars. Back in 2010, Cleve must have thought that the Texas ath dept was his personal chicken house. There were always rumors of him getting head in his office. University employes saw him and grad assistant trainers out at bars, and basically everybody knew he was a sleazebag, but he was Mack's BFF and we were still just a year away from the NC game against Bama and no one messed with Mack.

Well, stuff hit the fan when stupid Cleve tried to get a lesbian to switch teams. Yes, THAT lesbian. Cleve tried to get some from Beverly. Mainly, it was innuendos in emails and the occasional univited visit to her office. Of course, she reported to Deloss, Powers etc. This was 2010, and nobody wanted to stir up too much crap with Mack's BFF. Fast forward 2 months, things are starting to settle down and it's the beginning of summer. Cleve usually held a BBQ at his place for some of the head coaches, good ole boys in the AD, and Bellmont big cigars every year for the past 4 or 5 years. He sends out email inviting everybody, yada yada.

Mack replies to Cleve something of along the lines of "Do not try to get Bev drunk or there will be hell to pay. Deloss already talked to you and we agreed to keep things quiet but the next strike and you're out." Except Mack hit REPLY ALL. It went to Bev, Deloss, Barnes, Powers, etc. Everybody now knew how shady Deloss kept things under wrap. At this point, Cleve is angry at Mack. Mack stupidly thought that if Cleve left town, the Mack Brown golden touch could smooth everything over. YEAH RIGHT. So Mack sends Cleve out to a "recruiting trip" to the East coast for a few days. The recruit was a 2 sport athlete from Philadelphia. Cleve had to go out to his basketball practice to try to talk to him, but a fight broke out. What did Cleve do? He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and there were dice in the mirror. If anything he could say, that this cab was rare, but Cleve thought to himself "naw, forget it, yo home to bel-air!" Unbelievable.

If all she's got is that Bryant is a sleazy horndog and the UT administration looked the other way for too long before canning Bryant, then she's got nothing that isn't already public information.

there is a big difference between public information that has been proven true and information that is just a rumor

(03-10-2013 02:00 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I'm going to hold judgement until something more develops. But I will say I wouldn't be surprised if this is more fluid across the national scene in all sports.

Would that be bodily fluids you speak of?