If its Denver, It'd be great fit and I'd be happy for them. Loyola and UIC, unlike DePaul, have on campus arenas (DePaul plays over an hour from campus in the distant suburbs), and would open the door to Chicago.

Denver and Loyola are respected academically.

Belmont might be a bit of a risk and Oral Roberts has been polarizing in the past.

I think the choice is Denver, but I'd take a look at the Chicago twins.

(03-09-2013 09:58 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 09:47 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  If Denver has to add baseball and softball as a condition of joining the MVC, they'll do it in a heartbeat.

It's a great fit for Denver too.

MVC has more than enough teams in baseball and softball, don't they? It would save their teams money on travel if DU doesn’t add those sports.

DU does not have facilities for baseball and softball, nor does it have a space to build them.

Nor would they need those sports for the MVC. The MVC already has two members (Drake and UNI) that don't have baseball programs.

(03-08-2013 09:46 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:10 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 07:58 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 07:50 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  I think the best choices would be Belmont, Oral Roberts and Denver. Each has issues though, Oral Roberts was recently in huge debt, Belmont has only a small history of success although very good and Denver has been D1 for 30 years and never been to the NCAA tournament. All are in nice large cities though.

Denver moved to D-I in 1997, that's 16 years

My bad, someone else mentioned that in a article.

Yep. I think Denver was D1 from 1937-1979 or so, before returning in the late 90s.

everyone almost used to be D-I until what, 73 in basketball? All D-I fb was 1-A until what 78 or something.

Quote:@stuwhitney: Summit League commissioner Tom Douple says Denver informed Missouri Valley they will stick with Summit and not replace Creighton in Valley.

https://twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/31...3759688706

Summit over Valley? Wow, unless the MVC was asking Denver to add additional sports, that's a pretty bonehead move IMO. Although, hockey is their big sport and not basketball...

I bet they'd have to cut sports to add, maybe that is an issue. Maybe the Summit is going to add more of their hockey rivals, not sure what is behind them saying no.

(03-09-2013 04:16 PM)FargoBison Wrote:  

Quote:@stuwhitney: Summit League commissioner Tom Douple says Denver informed Missouri Valley they will stick with Summit and not replace Creighton in Valley.

https://twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/31...3759688706

Third hand report with no statement from Denver. Believable? Hardly. Denver has long stated a desire in WCC or MVC membership. It's only believable if the MVC has already chosen another school, like Belmont, which also denied interest.

Dakota reporters are about as gullible as they come, as they expect straight talk and don't recognize when they aren't receiving it.

He is only reporting what he was told, it isn't like he made some big story out of it. I'm guessing Denver's AD will say something tonight, a DU blogger was planning on talking to her. Of course that might not tell us much either.

Perhaps the MVC is going in a different direction and Denver knows that and this is their spin. Denver isn't exactly a great fit into the MVC.

Quote:Douple met with Denver AD Peg Bradley-Doppes at Summit League dinner last night in SF. "They're already told Missouri Valley no," he said.

https://twitter.com/stuwhitney/status/31...8577917952

I hope it's just posturing until there's an actual spot for an invite. Who knows. But Denver has the best potential of the rumored schools. I'd personally stay away from the Chicago schools. We already have three teams in IL. Really don't think we need a fourth.

Belmont, 3rd tourney in a row and 6th since moving from NAIA to D-I in 1997 or 98

Not too shabby for a little school in Nashville...

By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

(03-10-2013 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

(03-10-2013 12:40 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

(03-10-2013 12:59 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:40 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

The WAC wants anyone who will say yes. I dont see why the Sun Belt would want NMSU for football only. They're a far outlier as it is and their basketball is worth having.

(03-10-2013 01:05 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:59 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:40 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

The WAC wants anyone who will say yes. I dont see why the Sun Belt would want NMSU for football only. They're a far outlier as it is and their basketball is worth having.

They why is Benson talking about it? Because he is.

(03-10-2013 01:10 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:05 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:59 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:40 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  By taking Belmont, the MVC could avoid a problem on its hands in the not-too-distant future. The more schools that get poached from the Horizon, the more danger the Summit League is in of collapsing-the same Summit League that makes up a significant portion of the Missouri Valley Football Conference. By not depleting the Summit, the Valley can keep from having to take on one or more of WIU, South Dakota, NDSU, and SDSU as full members. It also avoids the toxic outcome of destroying the all-sports conference homes of the MVFC members, which could make things difficult for Missouri State, Illinois State, etc.

The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

The WAC wants anyone who will say yes. I dont see why the Sun Belt would want NMSU for football only. They're a far outlier as it is and their basketball is worth having.

They why is Benson talking about it? Because he is.

Just because Benson is talking about it doesnt mean its a good idea.

(03-10-2013 01:20 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:10 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:05 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:59 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:40 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  The MVC and MVFC and completely different leagues. Bradley, Drake, evansville, etc aren't going to vote in WIU or South Dakota no matter what and NDSU/SDSU playing in the Horizon instead of the summit doesn't really change anything.

It's not a problem if the Horizon takes NDSU and SDSU. It's a problem if they don't. If the MVC takes Denver, and the Horizon takes Oakland, the Summit is in very deep trouble and it's autobid is in jeopardy. If the Summit loses another school, it is game over. Then NDSU has to find a new conference and the MVFC loses its best program and a couple others. The MVC may not care but the football playing members of the MVC will.

If NMSU gets football only in the Sunbelt, the WAC is at 9 and fairly solid. Hurd has said they want to be either at 8,10 or 12. The WAC would add Omaha in a heartbeat. I don't think they want the Dakota schools but I am speculating and don't know that for a fact.

The WAC wants anyone who will say yes. I dont see why the Sun Belt would want NMSU for football only. They're a far outlier as it is and their basketball is worth having.

They why is Benson talking about it? Because he is.

Just because Benson is talking about it doesnt mean its a good idea.

True that. But just because it might not be a good idea doesn't mean it won't happen either. I think you are probably right that the Belt will add GSU, App St, and NMSU for all sports when WKU leaves. But it sure sounds like somebody is pushing for a CCG. The football only concept other than NMSU or Idaho that was mentioned is interesting too. It sounds like it is up in the air and hasn't been decided yet.

Either way, killing the Summit is a problem for the football members of the MVC. I'm pretty sure that will factor in on who they vote to add to the MVC.

Other than basketball, Belmont doesn't bring much to the table in regards to all-sports strength in the MVC. North Dakota St and South Dakota St are way stronger across the board and have much more future growth. If we need a private school in the region then Valparaiso would make the most sense.