(03-09-2013 11:25 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:06 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I believe the basis for this entire series of Blzr posts was that the NCAA would never allow both conferences to have an autobid and the Big East would no longer be a conference.

I'm having a hard time keeping up, but I'm going to assume that the America 12 conference got their autobid, right?

Also, I remember Blazr posting that the NCAA was extremely reluctant to give one out, not that they absolutely wouldn't.

The NCAA still is extremely reluctant. IF they create an additional auto-bid, that office - not A12 - will have the burden of pacifying all the groups that threaten to scream bloody murder when the makeup of NCAA bids is messed with. They'll have to do something other than just take away an at-large. We'll see what that "something" is, but it's certainly a bad start for group of teams to force the NCAA's hand when there is no need. As always, many developments to come....

Just to be clear--the new conference is not the A12 teams.

(03-09-2013 11:20 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:12 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Does it really matter which conf is better? There are two types of conferences.
Type 1 includes:
SEC
PAC12
Big10
Big12
ACC

Type 2 includes:
A-12
MWC
CUSA
SunBelt
WAC

That's what it all boils down to in the end...which is why the justification of spending millions of $$ to shuffle around the "Type 2" just doesn't exist any longer. But as has been consistently true from the beginning, once the prevailing logic (based on reality now vs. reality when plans were made way back when) jumps into the brainpans of schools officials it's almost impossible to predict what the outcome will be and actually impossible, for all intents and purposes, to ever surmise the deciding factors in their head (like I've said before, for some decision makers it could be the case of the deepest pockets holding a virtual gun to their head...more decisions in college athletics are made that way than most would like to admit - off the top of my head I'm reminded of Larry Brown as hoops coach at SMU and Mike Dubose as head football coach at UAT in the late-90s).

I think 2 things-
1 the TV money gap while closer between CUSA and A12- there will still be a 5 million dollar gap.
2 the hoops money. The A12 averages like 3 bids per year currently- while CUSA will be a 1 bid per year conference. That gap, especially if the A12 goes far in the tourney creates a HUGE money disparity. Right now, if both conferences had been in place for the 6 prior years- A12 would be getting 9.5 million bucks to 2.5 for CUSA. That's 7 more million for the a12, with fewer mouths to feed. 28 million dollar gap over the next 6 years already.

to me the basketball will differentiate A12 and MWC from CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt. CUSA, MAC, SBC combined have 34 units. Like I said- the A12 would have if they were together all 6 years 37 units, and MWC would has 27 units. That is a pretty big difference.

(03-09-2013 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 11:25 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:06 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I believe the basis for this entire series of Blzr posts was that the NCAA would never allow both conferences to have an autobid and the Big East would no longer be a conference.

I'm having a hard time keeping up, but I'm going to assume that the America 12 conference got their autobid, right?

Also, I remember Blazr posting that the NCAA was extremely reluctant to give one out, not that they absolutely wouldn't.

The NCAA still is extremely reluctant. IF they create an additional auto-bid, that office - not A12 - will have the burden of pacifying all the groups that threaten to scream bloody murder when the makeup of NCAA bids is messed with. They'll have to do something other than just take away an at-large. We'll see what that "something" is, but it's certainly a bad start for group of teams to force the NCAA's hand when there is no need. As always, many developments to come....

Just to be clear--the new conference is not the A12 teams.

That's right. The Big East (in C7 form) is technically the new conference. All the past NCAA credits are retained by the yet-to-be-named conference. Katz, Thamel, McMurphy, and others in the press seem to have been told by someone that the existing conference (with a new name) and the new conference (with the Big East name) will each automatically receive NCAA autoqualifiers to all NCAA sports tournaments.

However, given that the moves are not done in the power 5, this 32nd autobid may not last more than a year. The moves being made are going to have a huge trickle-down effect and it could very well be possible that a conference such as the Summit folds as well.

Again, blazr writing in vagaries and platitudes. Not really calling anything specific. But more of a generality.

(03-08-2013 10:12 PM)MasMack Wrote:  Does it really matter which conf is better? There are two types of conferences.
Type 1 includes:
SEC
PAC12
Big10
Big12
ACC

Type 2 includes:
A-12
MWC
CUSA
SunBelt
WAC

And in the world of college football, the gap is so large between the two types, it doesn't even matter to argue. It's a waste of time. And the argument about being in a position to move up doesn't hold much value to me. Bc before long, the type 1 conferences will have only 4 conferences of 16 teams each, and by my calculations, the current 5 type 1 conferences only need a 2 schools to reach that 64 team mark. Alot of hopefully schools are going to be left behind regardless.

My point, the gap between the A-12 and CUSA isn't NEARLY as important as the gap between the 2 types of conferences I listed above.

Having said that, I would still rather my school be in the A-12 (or whatever it's called) vs CUSA, simply bc of the schools we would be associated with. Nothing against CUSA schools, we just have way more in common and way more in history with A-12 schools. Just my opinion.

I count 65 already in the club:

SEC - 14
PAC12 -12
Big10 - 14
Big12 -10
ACC - 14
ND - 1

By the time you throw in the lack of schools that fit in the P12 out west, I personally don't think the 4x16 thing will happen. I do think consolidation still has a bunch of momentum though. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the B1G and the SEC fatten up ACC and B12 schools. These conferences can increase the value of a new member by an order of magnitude ie Rutgers to the B1G. They could grow to as big 20 or 24 each and completely dominate the media.

Someone should write a book on this round of realignment after it's all over. Keeping up with it is as fun as watching the game itself. In the end, We all know Slive and Delaney will be on top of the heap looking down us little people.

(03-08-2013 03:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:25 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  In the wake of all that's happened people are still doubting Blazr, unreal.

I believe the basis for this entire series of Blzr posts was that the NCAA would never allow both conferences to have an autobid and the Big East would no longer be a conference. Your free to check the archives if you doubt it. That said, he was correct on the Catholic split--so, he certainly should get credit where credit is due. He nailed that one.

the reason he said they would not add an autobid is some ncaa official had "leaked" that they were not going to expand the field or add autobids.