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RE: CBS: SEC, Big 12, ACC, B1G - Power Bowl Alliance
This is the first of many steps that will be taken before the power conferences secede from the NCAA and form their own league. It's interesting to note however that the PAC 12 isn't included here.
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(03-08-2013 08:47 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is the first of many steps that will be taken before the power conferences secede from the NCAA and form their own league. It's interesting to note however that the PAC 12 isn't included here.

The PAC aren't going to play in any bowls east of El Paso not named Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Chik-fil-A.
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I still cannot see the power conferences secede from the NCAA -- they just can't afford the championships at all the other sports and levels without the money that EVERY university and college pays in across the board. Plus, there would be Title IX issues with too many schools; not to mention creating a league based on sports $$ and power exclusively, could be argued that it undermines the NON-PROFIT status of many of these educational institutions.

I think we're more likely to see a split of divisions again, not a new governing body.
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(03-08-2013 10:28 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I still cannot see the power conferences secede from the NCAA -- they just can't afford the championships at all the other sports and levels without the money that EVERY university and college pays in across the board. Plus, there would be Title IX issues with too many schools; not to mention creating a league based on sports $$ and power exclusively, could be argued that it undermines the NON-PROFIT status of many of these educational institutions.

What money from schools? The NCAA basketball tournament provides like 99% of the NCAA's operating budget revenue. The dues that schools and conferences pay to the NCAA are tiny: Schools pay $1,800 each, conferences pay $900 each, and affiliate members pay $500 each. That's nothing. The NCAA tourney pays the NCAA almost $800M per year. That's the NCAA's bread and butter. Now if the power schools were to pull out of the NCAA and start their own tournament, don't you think that:

A) the NCAA tournament would be far less in value without those schools, therefore the TV revenue would greatly diminsh; and
B) a new tournament that only included those power schools would draw a huge TV contract of its own (kind of like the BCS and new playoff do).

Title IX is a Federal issue that each school has to comply with regardless of what governing body regulates them. Any new governance structure would also have to account for Title IX.

The tax exempt status is a tricky one, but as long as the athletic departments pump their surplus revenue into the general fund of the school, the school can continue protecting their tax exempt status. If the AA of any school turns a profit and does not contribute that profit to the general fund of the institution, then tax-exempt status could be challenged.
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(03-08-2013 07:47 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 07:37 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Looks like the A12 can kiss the Belk Bowl goodbye.

Looks like ECU counts for absolutely nothing in the land of North Carolina. You ECU guyz complained about CUSA all the time. What the heck! Even your own state won't support you! THe state of Texas has the Dallas and Ft. Worth Bowls for CUSA. Memphis provided the Liberty Bowl. But the state of North Carolina? It don't give diddly squate about ECU. Hope you ECU guyz learn to keep from shooting off your mouths in the future in the great American-12. Bythe way, that name sucks and will be mocked as a CUSA knock off.

Feel better now?
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(03-08-2013 07:41 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:37 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 09:12 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is the big change I see....Instead of the power conferences over signing what they'll do is make sure every host bowl has a legit bowl pick (no lower than #8 or #9) every year with the other side supplied by one of the power conferences.

In this way the power conferences back themselves up instead of they silly system where they have to rely on the G5 to do it.

There should be a few more quality small market bowls open for the G5. The Sun Bowl may become MW vs. A12. The Independence Bowl MAC vs. CUSA.

Lots of crack being passed around.
The SunBowl will not end up with MW vs. A12.
And no, the Sun Bowl is not going to seek your favorite purse/handbag brand to sponsor it. They are already asking for a car-rental tax increase to increase the payout.

These Nbe guyz have to be the stupidest idiots in the whole wide world.

(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 07:58 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 07:38 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Didn't I tell you Nbe boyz that a national alliance among the NonAQ schools was needed to somehow counter and generate some favorable publicity against the overwhelming power of the BCS?

Darn right, Nbe is going to get stripped of all its bowls...remember what I said about MWC losing Holiday, Copper, and Freedom bowls?

The Nbe is a failed effort. As I stated before, Nbe will be playing CUSA in a lot of bowl games.

Bowl alliance is a waste of time. It will still be bottom rung bowls. A12 needs to fight for the best it can get. If Tulsa jumps, CUSA will do well to qualify for 4 bowl games.

As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference and, undoubtedly, CUSA will be a successful conference. If Nbe is to have some interesting bowls of some success, it will obviously need CUSA to bring in challenging teams.

The reverse is also true. CUSA needs Nbe to be successful and bring in some challenging teams. Otherwsie, CUsa, like Nbe, will not have good bowls. Looking at some of the teams Nbe has added, this is a good question as to what Nbe can provide in a bowl.

CUSA isnt going to be the main Big East opponent. Sunbelt and FCS teams are not going to suddenly become bowl darlings because they slap a CUSA patch on thier uniform. Check out the Sunbelt Bowl line up. That, along with the Heart of Texas Bowl is likely to make up the bulk of the CUSA post 2014 bowl buffet. Both conferences are likely to take a step back in the bowl arena.
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(03-08-2013 10:18 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:47 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is the first of many steps that will be taken before the power conferences secede from the NCAA and form their own league. It's interesting to note however that the PAC 12 isn't included here.

The PAC aren't going to play in any bowls east of El Paso not named Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Chik-fil-A.


Agree and I don't see the ACC staying in any bowls west of the mississippi either. SImply don't travel or draw well.

Big and Big 12 will take the western bowls where the ACC is now. Sun Bowl rotates PAC versus the BIG/BIG 12 ad the holiday Bowl may become a rotation as well.

Armed forces bowl may become a A12 vs MWC bowl is Navy joins
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(03-08-2013 10:18 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:47 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is the first of many steps that will be taken before the power conferences secede from the NCAA and form their own league. It's interesting to note however that the PAC 12 isn't included here.

The PAC aren't going to play in any bowls east of El Paso not named Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Chik-fil-A.

IIRC the last time a Pac team played in an eastern time zone bowl other than the Orange was when Cal won the Citrus Bowl in Orlando in 1992.
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(03-09-2013 01:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 10:18 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:47 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is the first of many steps that will be taken before the power conferences secede from the NCAA and form their own league. It's interesting to note however that the PAC 12 isn't included here.

The PAC aren't going to play in any bowls east of El Paso not named Sugar, Cotton, Orange, or Chik-fil-A.

IIRC the last time a Pac team played in an eastern time zone bowl other than the Orange was when Cal won the Citrus Bowl in Orlando in 1992.

EagleBank Bowl 2009, UCLA vs Temple in Washington, DC. I was there. It was BUTT COLD.
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(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick
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(03-09-2013 11:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick


+1. The only thing CUSA is good for is a farm system for the NBE, as the NBE has stolen team after team from CUSA and there is nothing they can do about it.
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(03-09-2013 11:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick
Well based off that fat juicy azz tv deal y'all just got you can kiss that farm system goodbye cause the Americana12 ain't no better than any other Go5 conference.
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(03-10-2013 02:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 11:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick
Well based off that fat juicy azz tv deal y'all just got you can kiss that farm system goodbye cause the Americana12 ain't no better than any other Go5 conference.

CUSA routinely take teams from the Sunbelt. Sunbelt teams make virtually nothing and CUSA teams make about 1 million per school. So for 1 million dollars, it appears G5 teams will jump. Big East teams will make 1million more per team than CUSA schools (MW schools will too).
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(03-09-2013 11:58 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 11:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick


+1. The only thing CUSA is good for is a farm system for the NBE, as the NBE has stolen team after team from CUSA and there is nothing they can do about it.

And, to say the same thing but in another way, Nbe/A12 has been plucked so much that only the failed and nondesirable programs remain. And there is nothing Nbe can do about it. Cincy and UConn are up next, with Navy following them out the Nbe door. So it looks like four more CUSA teams will be invited. That's nice! Our old CUSA gang will be back together once again!
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i think acc will keep sun bowl vs pac 12 but thats probably the only westerish one
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So I'm not sure how forcing lower tier Cartel teams to play each other is going to increase ticket sales. I mean, if you want to maximize the regional appeal of a matchup, don't you have to draw from all the teams in a region? And isn't the fanbase of a higher tier G5 team going to be hungrier than that of a lower tier Cartel team?
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(03-07-2013 07:56 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I'm curious as to why the PAC-12 is left out of this. I guess it's due to their geographic footprint being away from the other four.

I am wondering the same thing.....maybe a five conferecnce rotation would be difficult to arrange
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(03-09-2013 11:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As I stated many times before, the Nbe needs CUSA to be a successful conference

The only thing the NBE needs C-USA far is as a farm system from which to pluck new members. A good example is your own alma mater which will jump as soon as they are invited. 03-nutkick

Why don't you wait until you can beat a more than one of the CUSA schools each year before making statements like that. After all, you took you one win a year with you when Tulane got the invite.
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