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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-09-2013 03:30 AM)pono Wrote:  So, has Abreu been tried and convicted already?

Just asking

If the weed don't fit you must acquit
03-09-2013 09:23 AM
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-09-2013 03:30 AM)pono Wrote:  So, has Abreu been tried and convicted already?

Just asking

The principle of innocence until proven guilty applies to the courtroom - not message boards. Personally, I'd rather beat our opponent because we're better than because they lost a key player. I also don't think pot should be illegal.
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-09-2013 09:27 AM)Aries_Rocket Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 03:30 AM)pono Wrote:  So, has Abreu been tried and convicted already?

Just asking

The principle of innocence until proven guilty applies to the courtroom - not message boards. Personally, I'd rather beat our opponent because we're better than because they lost a key player. I also don't think pot should be illegal.

Agree. Moreover, I haven't really seen anyone suggest he shouldn't have his day in court.
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-09-2013 09:39 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 09:27 AM)Aries_Rocket Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 03:30 AM)pono Wrote:  So, has Abreu been tried and convicted already?

Just asking

The principle of innocence until proven guilty applies to the courtroom - not message boards. Personally, I'd rather beat our opponent because we're better than because they lost a key player. I also don't think pot should be illegal.

Agree. Moreover, I haven't really seen anyone suggest he shouldn't have his day in court.

No one is suggesting that AA shouldn't have his day in court.
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-09-2013 09:23 AM)OUVan Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 03:30 AM)pono Wrote:  So, has Abreu been tried and convicted already?

Just asking

If the weed don't fit you must acquit

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many posters have used the word "did" to talk about what police and media are accusing him of. just be cautious in making assumptions. toledo had fairly high profile accusations on football players in recent years. both were described by police and media in terms that were violent and assumed guilt. neither was found guilty of anything severe.

abrieu was at worst helping a friend sell pot, which is much less of a health risk than other legal drugs which lobby their way through washington. he put his team in a crappy spot by being involved or close to the dealing. that's the story, really. whether he "did" what they say is still very uncertain.
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-11-2013 04:34 AM)pono Wrote:  abrieu was at worst helping a friend sell pot, which is much less of a health risk than other legal drugs which lobby their way through washington. he put his team in a crappy spot by being involved or close to the dealing. that's the story, really. whether he "did" what they say is still very uncertain.

And Capone was only providing booze to people which is a time honored drink...

You may not like that weed is illegal but it is, and what he is accused of doing was a felony. so please don't try to make him out to be the Nelson Mandela of drug dealing college kids..
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I certainly don't get the assumption that he was "at worst helping a friend." We really have no idea if he was a pawn, in the wrong place at the wrong time, a ringleader, a co-conspirator or whatever. Maybe the other guy was "the friend" helping Abreu. We don't know yet and may never know as I'm sure all sides will spin the best possible story for themselves.

I would agree that pot laws in this country are, for the most part, not in society's best interest, but that is irrelevant here. He is apparently involved in an activity that no one can mistake for being a good idea.
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(03-11-2013 04:34 AM)pono Wrote:  many posters have used the word "did" to talk about what police and media are accusing him of. just be cautious in making assumptions. toledo had fairly high profile accusations on football players in recent years. both were described by police and media in terms that were violent and assumed guilt. neither was found guilty of anything severe.

abrieu was at worst helping a friend sell pot, which is much less of a health risk than other legal drugs which lobby their way through washington. he put his team in a crappy spot by being involved or close to the dealing. that's the story, really. whether he "did" what they say is still very uncertain.

How do you argue that we should not assume a set of presumptions while at the same time advancing your own?

I agree that we should have a serious debate about the illegality of pot, but until it's legal, it's not. Not too difficult to figure that out.
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well where i live pot is legal for some folks and very common in general, most cops don't care unless they are part of a federal task force getting paid to stop it.

there's an encyclopedia full of statistics, studies and evidence that various legal drugs harm, addict, kill, have severe side effects, etc... pot is like the mac of drugs and the govt is the ncaa. they get paid by the big boys and throw the book at the little guy cuz he's an easier target. that's f'n reality not presumption.
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What does that have to do with a college basketball player presumably knowing he is committing multiple felonies? He should adopt the "pot should be legal so I don't think I really committed a crime" defense?
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Any chance at Dambrot re-instating him at the last minute if he believes the charges are gonna be dropped or reduced and it was just being at the wrong place and he was just answering the door and signed for his friends package. The way the media covered this it puts a lot of heat on Akron if they re-instated him for the tournament. This kid may never get a chance be in position again to go to the NCAA tournament with Marshall graduating and the chance Akron cuts him lose for the bad publicity get gave the school. Chemistry on Akron may not be the same if Zips lose and the teams blames Abreu's decision making. Team will be furious at him if the lose.
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Abreu is suspended indefinitely by the university, pending the results in court. Nothing is scheduled for the case until at least March 23rd. So, no, Abreu has zero chance of being reinstated for the MAC tournament or even a post-season tournament. At this point, the way things are looking, Abreu will never be able to return to the team. Not this year, not next. He'll be lucky if he's ever able to enroll in classes again.
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RE: Alex Abreu Arrested
(03-11-2013 09:38 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 04:34 AM)pono Wrote:  abrieu was at worst helping a friend sell pot, which is much less of a health risk than other legal drugs which lobby their way through washington. he put his team in a crappy spot by being involved or close to the dealing. that's the story, really. whether he "did" what they say is still very uncertain.

And Capone was only providing booze to people which is a time honored drink...

You may not like that weed is illegal but it is, and what he is accused of doing was a felony. so please don't try to make him out to be the Nelson Mandela of drug dealing college kids..

nelson mandela, really? saying that he screwed his team but may not be actually guilty of trafficking is painting him to be the most famous and courageous political prisoner of a generation. if nelson mandela wasn't so forgiving he'd kick your as$.

yes, abrieu was accused of a felony. i understand. but after about 60 straight posts from the lynch mob 03-wink i just wanted to remind folks a lot of these cases play out differently when all is said and done.

i doubt abrieu was a high profile dealer, he was too high profile. maybe he was quietly pushin weight on the low. we'll see what his lawyer has to say and what a court thinks.
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(03-13-2013 05:16 AM)pono Wrote:  [quote='Bull_In_Exile' pid='9075001' dateline='1363012723']
yes, abrieu was accused of a felony. i understand. but after about 60 straight posts from the lynch mob 03-wink i just wanted to remind folks a lot of these cases play out differently when all is said and done.

i doubt abrieu was a high profile dealer, he was too high profile. maybe he was quietly pushin weight on the low. we'll see what his lawyer has to say and what a court thinks.

And how they play out also doesn't always determine guilt as often the plea out to lesser charges to get a conviction and not clog up the system any more than needed for non-violent crimes. Also, 'pushin weight on the low'? Yeah 5 lbs. might be a light weight to pick up in the gym, but when it's bundled up in drugs there is nothing recreational about it. That much weight is a lot of money (~$17000) for a young college kid and teenage companion.
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true the conviction is often an indication of the system more than the crime. it's not that they aren't trying to clog the sytem though, it's that it is too clogged already from non violent drug cases. yeah, maybe 17k, but prob cost buyers 10 to 12 k so 5 grand split a few ways is not a lot of cash to risk your future on, although it shines bright in their eyes at the time.

sucks for akron. they had a shot to win a tourney game or two w their full squad. doubt if betancourt can come up big enough to even get them there now, although he has some game.
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17K is what AA would likely get out of it once its broken down and resold, in bulk 5lbs probably ran him between 5k-7k. Either way, that's a big chunk of change.
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