I think we can retire this thread. This league is stopping at 10.

(03-07-2013 01:29 PM)LouPower Wrote:  I think we can retire this thread. This league is stopping at 10.

It does have me worried that Gary Parrish did not mention SLU/Dayton/Richmond or even just expanding to 12.

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

(03-07-2013 01:11 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:17 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:41 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 11:49 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 10:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Too bad we're looking for something more long term than "the next few years".

I hear this sentiment every time VCU is brought up. It appears people think they will be worse long-term than other options, but I have seen nothing that says that. In fact, VCU has had more consistent success than several other candidates even if you ignore their Final Four run.

Ignoring VCU's Final Four, they have 10 appearances and 5 wins since 1980. Here is what everyone else has done in that time:

Dayton: 7 appearances, 4 wins
Saint Louis: 5 appearances, 2 wins
Creighton: 11 appearances, 4 wins
Richmond: 9 appearances, 7 wins
Wichita State: 6 appearances, 5 wins *homer inclusion

Get the picture? They aren't a random spark like George Mason. They have a good young coach, but he isn't the only reason they've had success. They've gone to the NCAA tournament with 5 different coaches under that time period, with 3 different coaches getting wins.

If you are going by consistent success, than VCU is going to be your best bet outside of Xavier, Butler, and Gonzaga.

True story: VCU is one of 3 programs in the country with at least 24 wins the last 7 seasons. The other two are Kansas and Memphis, of which VCU is 2-0 against. Too bad [you're] looking for something more long term than "the next few years". lol

Memphis has done it since UofL, Cincy, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis etc all left CUSA and VCU did it in a weak CAA. No way VCU does that in a top 5 league.

VCU did it this year, their first year in the A10 with also a tough non-conference schedule. And the year VCU went to the Final 4 they beat Wake Forest, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Purdue, Florida State and Kansas.

How many C7 schools have won 24 games for 7 consecutive years? And VCU's streak is still in tact. What exactly has St. John's accomplished in the last 7 years? That should be a quick list to produce.

Other than Marquette, Villanova and Georgetown what successes has the other 4 C7 schools had the last 7 years? Not much.

If the reason VCU is excluded is because we are a public school, then that's fine. But don't bash VCU's basketball history/success. VCU is clearly an upgrade to the new conference compared to Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul.

Regarding the Butler poster and some of his elitist comments he's made since he's sure Butler made the C7 cut, might I remind you that VCU still has a shot at first place in the A10 regular season while Butler is fighting to stay out of 5th place. Oh, and there was that 32 point beat down last week Butler had to a school not deserving of a C7 invite.

Uh we competed in the toughest conference ever assembled. A conference where VCU would be lucky to be .500 in.

(03-07-2013 01:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Uh we competed in the toughest conference ever assembled. A conference where VCU would be lucky to be .500 in.

A for effort!

(03-07-2013 01:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:11 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:17 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:41 AM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-06-2013 11:49 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  I hear this sentiment every time VCU is brought up. It appears people think they will be worse long-term than other options, but I have seen nothing that says that. In fact, VCU has had more consistent success than several other candidates even if you ignore their Final Four run.

Ignoring VCU's Final Four, they have 10 appearances and 5 wins since 1980. Here is what everyone else has done in that time:

Dayton: 7 appearances, 4 wins
Saint Louis: 5 appearances, 2 wins
Creighton: 11 appearances, 4 wins
Richmond: 9 appearances, 7 wins
Wichita State: 6 appearances, 5 wins *homer inclusion

Get the picture? They aren't a random spark like George Mason. They have a good young coach, but he isn't the only reason they've had success. They've gone to the NCAA tournament with 5 different coaches under that time period, with 3 different coaches getting wins.

If you are going by consistent success, than VCU is going to be your best bet outside of Xavier, Butler, and Gonzaga.

True story: VCU is one of 3 programs in the country with at least 24 wins the last 7 seasons. The other two are Kansas and Memphis, of which VCU is 2-0 against. Too bad [you're] looking for something more long term than "the next few years". lol

Memphis has done it since UofL, Cincy, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis etc all left CUSA and VCU did it in a weak CAA. No way VCU does that in a top 5 league.

VCU did it this year, their first year in the A10 with also a tough non-conference schedule. And the year VCU went to the Final 4 they beat Wake Forest, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Purdue, Florida State and Kansas.

How many C7 schools have won 24 games for 7 consecutive years? And VCU's streak is still in tact. What exactly has St. John's accomplished in the last 7 years? That should be a quick list to produce.

Other than Marquette, Villanova and Georgetown what successes has the other 4 C7 schools had the last 7 years? Not much.

If the reason VCU is excluded is because we are a public school, then that's fine. But don't bash VCU's basketball history/success. VCU is clearly an upgrade to the new conference compared to Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul.

Regarding the Butler poster and some of his elitist comments he's made since he's sure Butler made the C7 cut, might I remind you that VCU still has a shot at first place in the A10 regular season while Butler is fighting to stay out of 5th place. Oh, and there was that 32 point beat down last week Butler had to a school not deserving of a C7 invite.

Uh we competed in the toughest conference ever assembled. A conference where VCU would be lucky to be .500 in.

You played in a tough conference. You didn't compete. There's a big difference between competing and playing.

(03-07-2013 01:35 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

Is this dude for real?

(03-07-2013 01:41 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:11 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 11:17 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 10:41 AM)thegalen Wrote:  True story: VCU is one of 3 programs in the country with at least 24 wins the last 7 seasons. The other two are Kansas and Memphis, of which VCU is 2-0 against. Too bad [you're] looking for something more long term than "the next few years". lol

Memphis has done it since UofL, Cincy, Marquette, DePaul, St. Louis etc all left CUSA and VCU did it in a weak CAA. No way VCU does that in a top 5 league.

VCU did it this year, their first year in the A10 with also a tough non-conference schedule. And the year VCU went to the Final 4 they beat Wake Forest, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, Purdue, Florida State and Kansas.

How many C7 schools have won 24 games for 7 consecutive years? And VCU's streak is still in tact. What exactly has St. John's accomplished in the last 7 years? That should be a quick list to produce.

Other than Marquette, Villanova and Georgetown what successes has the other 4 C7 schools had the last 7 years? Not much.

If the reason VCU is excluded is because we are a public school, then that's fine. But don't bash VCU's basketball history/success. VCU is clearly an upgrade to the new conference compared to Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul.

Regarding the Butler poster and some of his elitist comments he's made since he's sure Butler made the C7 cut, might I remind you that VCU still has a shot at first place in the A10 regular season while Butler is fighting to stay out of 5th place. Oh, and there was that 32 point beat down last week Butler had to a school not deserving of a C7 invite.

Uh we competed in the toughest conference ever assembled. A conference where VCU would be lucky to be .500 in.

You played in a tough conference. You didn't compete. There's a big difference between competing and playing.

I wish we could all brag about sub 100 SOS every year.

We can argue VCU all we want.

They're not getting in.

Either is anyone else not named Butler/Xavier/Creighton.

So good luck to everybody.

(03-07-2013 01:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:35 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

Is this dude for real?

Dosen't take much to have more success than St. Johns.

(03-07-2013 01:43 PM)LouPower Wrote:  We can argue VCU all we want.

They're not getting in.

Either is anyone else not named Butler/Xavier/Creighton.

So good luck to everybody.

Were going to 12 so 2 more will get in and all publications are saying St. Louis and Dayton as the two most likely choices.

(03-07-2013 01:45 PM)gorams05 Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:35 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

Is this dude for real?

Dosen't take much to have more success than St. Johns.

Actually it takes more than a few good years to become 7th in all time wins, but nice try.

(03-07-2013 01:35 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

Ok cool, you have a large student population. That must immediately = long-term success. Just like North Texas, UTEP, UTSA, Florida Atlantic, etc.

Fine, if you don't like JMU then George Mason. Better school, better location. Also, VCU isn't above UVA and Va Tech suddenly just because they had a little success. Long-term, George Mason and JMU have upside (JMU has football, so that was a + for a state school competing for attention and fans long term) and both are closer to the most influential TV market in the state -DC. VCU will never own the state. UConn was the flagship state university in Connecticut. VCU? One of a bunch way below Va Tech and UVA. Tell me, what power in college athletics is the 4th or 5th school in their conference. VCU is just a North Texas, Western Michigan, etc that doesn't play football.

And seriously, you're bragging about a home and home? Maybe that's why VCU has had some success, no team in Virginia ever has. That's a low bar to pass. So congrats.

(03-07-2013 01:45 PM)gorams05 Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:35 PM)Wolfpack Ram Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 01:23 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  I believe the main issue with VCU, even more than them being huge and public, is that they are probably the #5-6 school in their own state in college athletics - automatically behind Va Tech, UVA, and JMU - and really won't be able to compete equally for attention/recruits/fans in their own state. UConn when they joined was at least the flagship state uni in Connecticut.

The other members:

Villanova - 3rd at worst behind Pitt and PSU.
Georgetown - #1 and #2 in Maryland. Probably #3 in Virginia.
SLU - #2 behind Mizzou
Marquette - #2 behind Wiscy
Creighton - #2 behind Nebraska (and #1 for basketball easily)
Butler - #4, but the only state with ND. ND would probably be a secondary/tertiary team in a lot of other states esp in the NE. But I'm only counting schools inside your own state with this)
Xavier - #3 behind Cincy (not by that much fwiw) and OSU.
Providence - #1
Seton Hall - #2 behind Rutgers
St. John's - #2 behind Cuse. #1 in NYC
DePaul - #2 behind Illinois. Northwestern has never been to an NCAA, so no. And even if you didnt think they were #3, it wouldn't take much for them to push way past Northwestern. Probably just one NCAA appearance and the city will be back behind them.
Dayton - #4, and obviously the absolute weakest of the bunch.

JMU? Are you serious? Last time I checked, VCU was the only Virgina school ranked in the AP top 25. No other Virginia school is even close to being ranked. VCU is also the second largest university in Virginia.

At the end of the day, you are a basketball only league. VCU is a basketball only school. No other school in Virginia has had the sustained basketball sucess VCU has had over the last ten years. In fact, UVa has agreed to play VCU home and home over the next two years because they know playing VCU will help their RPI.

I'm beginning to think posters on these boards are more concerned about the possibility of VCU having more success than their own school if VCU were to join the new league.

Is this dude for real?

Dosen't take much to have more success than St. Johns.

Is this supposed to be ironic? Cause VCU would still be missing A TON of "success" to even sniff St. John's.

(03-07-2013 02:03 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  Fine, if you don't like JMU then George Mason. Better school, better location. Also, VCU isn't above UVA and Va Tech suddenly just because they had a little success. Long-term, George Mason and JMU have upside (JMU has football, so that was a + for a state school) and both are closer to the most influential TV market in the state -DC. VCU will never own the state. UConn was the flagship state university in Connecticut. VCU? One of a bunch way below Va Tech and UVA. Tell me, what power in college athletics is the 4th or 5th school in their conference. VCU is just a North Texas, Western Michigan, etc that doesn't play football.

And seriously, you're bragging about a home and home? Maybe that's why VCU has had some success, no team in Virginia ever has. That's a low bar to pass. So congrats.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JMU and GMU are above VCU when it comes to college athletics? JMU is closer to the DC DMA than VCU? Go home. You are drunk.

(03-07-2013 02:08 PM)thegalen Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 02:03 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  Fine, if you don't like JMU then George Mason. Better school, better location. Also, VCU isn't above UVA and Va Tech suddenly just because they had a little success. Long-term, George Mason and JMU have upside (JMU has football, so that was a + for a state school) and both are closer to the most influential TV market in the state -DC. VCU will never own the state. UConn was the flagship state university in Connecticut. VCU? One of a bunch way below Va Tech and UVA. Tell me, what power in college athletics is the 4th or 5th school in their conference. VCU is just a North Texas, Western Michigan, etc that doesn't play football.

And seriously, you're bragging about a home and home? Maybe that's why VCU has had some success, no team in Virginia ever has. That's a low bar to pass. So congrats.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JMU and GMU are above VCU when it comes to college athletics? JMU is closer to the DC DMA than VCU? Go home. You are drunk.

Yikes, didn't mean that - talking more about GMU. But in DC you see SOOOOOO much more JMU than ever VCU. Hell, I've never seen more than 1 or 2 people wear VCU anything. JMU has interns, fans and students all over here. It sure seems like they are closer.

You're cute though. GMU has accomplished just as much as you in athletics and you act soo above them. And my major point was not that they have better athletic programs currently (ya know, reading comprehension), but that they can draw larger fan attention and support.

The truth is, even if you dont want to believe it, no one thinks is anything other than a secondary public school in its own state.

(03-07-2013 02:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  Yikes, didn't mean that - talking more about GMU. But in DC you see SOOOOOO much more JMU than ever VCU. Hell, I've never seen more than 1 or 2 people wear VCU anything. JMU has interns, fans and students all over here. It sure seems like they are closer.

You're cute though. GMU has accomplished just as much as you in athletics and you act soo above them. And my major point was not that they have better athletic programs currently (ya know, reading comprehension), but that they can draw larger fan attention and support.

The truth is, even if you dont want to believe it, no one thinks is anything other than a secondary public school in its own state.

Blah blah blah. Who ever knows what you're trying to say? You're not concise, you can't spell, your thoughts are disorganized, etc... More importantly, why the hard on for constantly popping in to make erroneous claims about easily verifiable facts that can be cleared up with two seconds of Googling? Your interruptions are annoying and valueless.

I'd say JMU SHOULD be way ahead of VCU, but realsitically they aren't. Haven't been to tourney in nearly 20 years and had more years in the 300's in RPI in that period than better than 100. I think in the general DC area I know a lot of folks go to JMU- but doesn't really translate in athletics for whatever reason.

GMU if you take away their final four run has all of 1 NCAA win. They outside that year are a complete afterthought here in DC.

You failed to bring up the 1 that eventually will beat VCU and that's ODU. They have 11 NCAA spots, just like VCU. I know myself(and a LOT of folks) think they are primed for success in the near future.

(03-07-2013 02:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say JMU SHOULD be way ahead of VCU, but realsitically they aren't. Haven't been to tourney in nearly 20 years and had more years in the 300's in RPI in that period than better than 100. I think in the general DC area I know a lot of folks go to JMU- but doesn't really translate in athletics for whatever reason.

GMU if you take away their final four run has all of 1 NCAA win. They outside that year are a complete afterthought here in DC.

You failed to bring up the 1 that eventually will beat VCU and that's ODU. They have 11 NCAA spots, just like VCU. I know myself(and a LOT of folks) think they are primed for success in the near future.

ODU and JMU have FB which helps jump BBall schools. Look at most of our mirror schools in the B1G. If it wasn;t for the pigskin a lot of those would be closer than they are, BUT you need to take the whole athletic dept.

Im not familiar with VA so I have no idea how it goes after UVA and VT.

And just for the record, the only reason there's more JMU gear floating around DC is they have football, and football is the most popular sport in America. This is a mechanical effect, not a showing of which school has more/better fans. The Dukes averaged 538 students per game in 2010-2011 (a 21 win season).

Totals:
2003-04: 3,697
2004-05: 3,223
2005-06: 3,819 (5-23 aka “rock bottom”)
2006-07: 3,303
2007-08: 3,632
2008-09: 3,603
2009-10: 3,732
2010-11: 3,721 (21-12)
2011-12: 3,427