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(03-06-2013 10:06 AM)Title Wrote:  This isn't Price is Right. There aren't mysteries behind secret doors. This is big business and these decisions are very important for the well being of all. There is no way anything something so whimsical is true

Exactly like the Big East is going to show up announce Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis and Dayton then Fox comes out and says "Not so fast guys. Here are your two newest members, VCU and Gonzaga!!!!!"

03-lmfao

behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.
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(03-06-2013 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:06 AM)Title Wrote:  This isn't Price is Right. There aren't mysteries behind secret doors. This is big business and these decisions are very important for the well being of all. There is no way anything something so whimsical is true

Exactly like the Big East is going to show up announce Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis and Dayton then Fox comes out and says "Not so fast guys. Here are your two newest members, VCU and Gonzaga!!!!!"

03-lmfao

behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.

Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.
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(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:06 AM)Title Wrote:  This isn't Price is Right. There aren't mysteries behind secret doors. This is big business and these decisions are very important for the well being of all. There is no way anything something so whimsical is true

Exactly like the Big East is going to show up announce Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis and Dayton then Fox comes out and says "Not so fast guys. Here are your two newest members, VCU and Gonzaga!!!!!"

03-lmfao

behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.

Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.
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(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:06 AM)Title Wrote:  This isn't Price is Right. There aren't mysteries behind secret doors. This is big business and these decisions are very important for the well being of all. There is no way anything something so whimsical is true

Exactly like the Big East is going to show up announce Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis and Dayton then Fox comes out and says "Not so fast guys. Here are your two newest members, VCU and Gonzaga!!!!!"

03-lmfao

behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.

Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

You are assuming things that aren't reality. You are acting like you KNOW what Fox wants an are willing to pay. Maybe Fox isn't offering an extra 1.5 mil per team for those schools. Thats a big assumption on your part. You are not basing your arguments in reality and the info available.
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(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

I definitely think any game involving Gonzaga would be a "huge" one for Fox. No debate from me there. However, I also think you are vastly overestimating the national pull of VCU. They are simply not in the same category as Gonzaga as a TV property. (I don't know if it's geographic, where the East Coast-based people might be overweighting VCU's national pull and underweighting the Midwestern options, which inflates their perceived value of VCU.) Sure, in DC, Georgetown-VCU is going to be a huge game because of the local connections. It's simply not going to have the same impact in Chicago and most of the rest of the C7 footprint, though. All things being equal, VCU is interchangeable with Dayton/SLU/etc. in that regard. When VCU is ranked, then yes, that will be a game of interest. However, you can say that about any team. When VCU isn't ranked, then they're no more valuable than Dayton or SLU (and arguably less so because they don't have the proven fan support in good times and bad like the former or the large TV market like the latter). This is in contrast with Gonzaga (or Georgetown or St. John's), where they are now a TV draw in and of themselves regardless of ranking or how they're performing in a particular year. That is a massive difference.

Regardless, that's why I suggested that the C7 ought to set up a scheduling agreement directly with Gonzaga (and maybe BYU, too). This allows Fox to get several great non-conference games per year specifically for basketball while avoiding the very real issue of trucking all of the non-revenue sports back-and-forth from Spokane.
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(03-06-2013 12:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 10:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Exactly like the Big East is going to show up announce Butler, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis and Dayton then Fox comes out and says "Not so fast guys. Here are your two newest members, VCU and Gonzaga!!!!!"

03-lmfao

behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.

Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

You are assuming things that aren't reality. You are acting like you KNOW what Fox wants an are willing to pay. Maybe Fox isn't offering an extra 1.5 mil per team for those schools. Thats a big assumption on your part. You are not basing your arguments in reality and the info available.

I don't know- but I'm just saying based on what was the thread that I could see fox doing this. It's obvious that Fox has a whole hell of a lot more pull than I think you want them to have. A LOT more. The question you have to ask is what does Fox want? Who are the hot teams that would be available? To me, it's pretty much 2- Gonzaga and VCU. You look at the current top 25- those 2 (and SLU) are the only ones available for the C7 right now.

As to Frank with your idea of an OOC agreement. Don't think Fox would want that because basketball no one really gives a rip about that in December at all. I mean a Podunk bowl beat the Butler/Indiana game back in December.
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(03-06-2013 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 11:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  behind the scenes this is very possible. As we saw with the deal with the Aresco league that was pushed by fox- it does seem like fox is in control WAY more than you guys want to think.

Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

You are assuming things that aren't reality. You are acting like you KNOW what Fox wants an are willing to pay. Maybe Fox isn't offering an extra 1.5 mil per team for those schools. Thats a big assumption on your part. You are not basing your arguments in reality and the info available.

I don't know- but I'm just saying based on what was the thread that I could see fox doing this. It's obvious that Fox has a whole hell of a lot more pull than I think you want them to have. A LOT more. The question you have to ask is what does Fox want? Who are the hot teams that would be available? To me, it's pretty much 2- Gonzaga and VCU. You look at the current top 25- those 2 (and SLU) are the only ones available for the C7 right now.

As to Frank with your idea of an OOC agreement. Don't think Fox would want that because basketball no one really gives a rip about that in December at all. I mean a Podunk bowl beat the Butler/Indiana game back in December.

1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks
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(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

You are assuming things that aren't reality. You are acting like you KNOW what Fox wants an are willing to pay. Maybe Fox isn't offering an extra 1.5 mil per team for those schools. Thats a big assumption on your part. You are not basing your arguments in reality and the info available.

I don't know- but I'm just saying based on what was the thread that I could see fox doing this. It's obvious that Fox has a whole hell of a lot more pull than I think you want them to have. A LOT more. The question you have to ask is what does Fox want? Who are the hot teams that would be available? To me, it's pretty much 2- Gonzaga and VCU. You look at the current top 25- those 2 (and SLU) are the only ones available for the C7 right now.

As to Frank with your idea of an OOC agreement. Don't think Fox would want that because basketball no one really gives a rip about that in December at all. I mean a Podunk bowl beat the Butler/Indiana game back in December.

1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

I believe Fox has a huge investment in this league and will have major input.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

Didn't realize there was a pecking order. If their was none of the above has been as consistent as Xavier over the last 10 years. 4 out of the last 5 and 6 out of the last 9 Sweet 16 (including two Elite 8's) is pretty selective company. Gonzaga just beats on a mid major league and has an occasional Sweet 16 (No Elie 8 since the 90's). I would trade, like everyone else here, X's tournament success for back to back shots at a National Title. However, Butler will have personnel issues next season and thereafter until they recruit more playmakers at G and some size down low.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

Yep

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

CBS is horrible about promoting games before March. Hopefully, Fox promotes the new league well.
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(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:17 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Fox is going to have a lot of influence, but that's really more about that their interests are generally going to be aligned with the Catholic 7 in terms of making the most money. As myopic as we have gotten here in the debate between "institutional fit" and "basketball prowess", it isn't an either/or proposition in reality. There's going to be a balance between the two. As I've said elsewhere, I'm sure that Fox would be more excited if the Big Ten would have added Florida State instead of Maryland or Rutgers for the BTN and would have wanted the Pac-12 to take Boise State and BYU instead of Colorado and Utah for TV purposes, but even Rupert Murdoch knows that these conferences need to have some autonomy in finding the best fits for themselves. Sure, if Fox says that "We're going to double your money if you take Gonzaga and VCU!", then the C7's ears are going to perk up no matter what reservations that they might have about those schools. If it's not that much of a jump, though, then the C7 would rightly say, "It's not worth it to compromise on our principles."

Once again, I think the people so focused on "WE NEED THE BEST BASKETBALL TEAMS NOW!!!" line of thinking are *vastly* underestimating the distaste of the overall Big East experience with the C7 leaders. They wouldn't have been splitting from the likes of UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati (all top tier basketball names) or even the newbie members (pretty much all of whom bring in large urban TV markets) in the first place if that wasn't the case. And whether people like it or not, institutional fit is a *massive* part of that. People can keep denying it (or complaining about it), but if I were running a C7 school and experienced firsthand how the Big East was ripped apart, I would be completely focused on long-term fits, as well, and that means being with like-minded schools in the conference realignment game. That doesn't mean that they're basketball laggards. To the contrary, all of those schools being proposed have historical hoops credentials.

I don't know about double, but I could see fox having told them 3 million with your preferred group or 4-4.5 million with Gonzaga and VCU. Making it very tough on the c7 to say no. You have to remember- Fox wants/needs to make a BIG splash with this. For Fox- a Dayton/Georgetown game does NOTHING for them. A Gonzaga/Georgetown or VCU/Georgetown game is HUGE for them.

You are assuming things that aren't reality. You are acting like you KNOW what Fox wants an are willing to pay. Maybe Fox isn't offering an extra 1.5 mil per team for those schools. Thats a big assumption on your part. You are not basing your arguments in reality and the info available.

I don't know- but I'm just saying based on what was the thread that I could see fox doing this. It's obvious that Fox has a whole hell of a lot more pull than I think you want them to have. A LOT more. The question you have to ask is what does Fox want? Who are the hot teams that would be available? To me, it's pretty much 2- Gonzaga and VCU. You look at the current top 25- those 2 (and SLU) are the only ones available for the C7 right now.

As to Frank with your idea of an OOC agreement. Don't think Fox would want that because basketball no one really gives a rip about that in December at all. I mean a Podunk bowl beat the Butler/Indiana game back in December.

1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about 1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.
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RE: More rumors to report.......
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.
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RE: More rumors to report.......
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

I think he means that Fox forced the C7 to take the deal that the Aresco group wanted.
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RE: More rumors to report.......
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.
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(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.
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RE: More rumors to report.......
(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  1. I don't think Fox has as much control as you would like.

2. The two schools Fox would want are Gonzaga and Butler. VCU is much farther down the list even behind Xavier and possibly Creighton.

3. If the networks don't care about OOc games then why do you see ESPN putting them together every year. They make up OOC games.

4. No one watched the Indiana/Butler game because it didn't get any pub. I didn't even know it was on until someone mentioned it on twitter. CBS didn't promote it, unlike the crummy bowl game that was pimped by espn because it was the first bowl game of "Bowl Season" that ESPN plays up. First FB game in like 2 weeks

We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.
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RE: More rumors to report.......
(03-06-2013 02:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.

So this rumor started from a Xavier board, is anyone else reporting it?
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(03-06-2013 02:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  We'll agree to disagree about

1. I think Fox has a lot more control than you think- I think fox FORCED the agreement yesterday...

2- Butler and Xavier are in guaranteed. Fox isn't worried about them. The next teams are Gonzaga and VCU for Fox in my opinion.

3- ESPN puts the OOC games together for volume. Also- ESPN does more realistically with the mega tournaments start of season than anything else.

4- That's generally how OOC games go- they aren't pubbed that much. Sure you have your challenges etc. but nothing major. And college football isn't going anywhere.

How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.

Dude, it's an internet rumor.

Did you hear the rumor that Fox wants GTown to play all it's games at 1am PST?
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(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Fox forced US to take the agreement.

If so, they also sweetened the pot from earlier reports.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1279971

"The new league is reportedly close to signing a 12-year, $500 million deal with Fox Sports that will pay each team close to $4 million."
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(03-06-2013 02:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 02:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-06-2013 01:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  How does Fox FORCE the Aresco league into anything? Also if they could force them it would have been to get it done so they could have announced us at yesterdays press conference. That didn't happen and the agreement hasn't even been announced yet.

Fox forced US to take the agreement.

Wanting us to start next year and wanting a certain team in is two very different things. Especially when they are going to compensate us for leaving early. The loss we are taking in accepting the deal isn't as bad when Fox gives us some extra money. There is big difference between starting next season and demanding teams getting in.

You have to go back to the start of this thread:
There are rumors spreading the Fox is working on adding a surprise team or two to have include with the Big East offical announcement.

That makes it seem as if Fox wants BOTH starting next year AND wanting a certain team or two in the league.

Dude, it's an internet rumor.

Did you hear the rumor that Fox wants GTown to play all it's games at 1am PST?

Yeah, I mean it's a fun hypothetical, every loves Gonzaga for strictly basketball purposes (the problem is there really isn't any such thing as a "basketball-only" member, as any invite to them needs to take into account the problems of bringing in all of their other sports), and message boards would be largely dead without conspiracy theories about TV networks' behind-the-scenes machinations, but there isn't any other substantiation of this rumor at all. Until a deal is signed and new members are officially announced, there are going to be rumblings of what Fox wants, which is understandable, but I think people are way too caught up in thinking that the C7 is just going to make short-term decisions based on that. All-in-all, I'd be shocked if it is anything other than what we've been hearing from the mainstream media: Xavier, Butler and Creighton for 2013 and then SLU and Dayton for 2014. The only realistic wild card seems to be if Richmond is swapped out for SLU or Dayton (and I think Dayton is the odd school out in that scenario as that's an area where Fox is more likely to throw its weight around).
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