(03-02-2013 10:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The increased income from the B12 should cover that. Even the 50% WVU receives from the B12 this year is a 50% increase over what we would have made in The BEast...

That still doesn't cover travel. Oliver Luck made a hilariously pathetic plea to Texas to let the Big 12 give WVU a schedule change so they don't have to play two road games in a row like everyone else. I guess these things happen when you have to make a 1500 mile round trip only to get beat by 30 every week (in football and basketball).

I wonder if he regrets leaving the Big East the way he did? What goes around comes around.

(03-03-2013 09:29 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The increased income from the B12 should cover that. Even the 50% WVU receives from the B12 this year is a 50% increase over what we would have made in The BEast...

That still doesn't cover travel. Oliver Luck made a hilariously pathetic plea to Texas to let the Big 12 give WVU a schedule change so they don't have to play two road games in a row like everyone else. I guess these things happen when you have to make a 1500 mile round trip only to get beat by 30 every week (in football and basketball).

I wonder if he regrets leaving the Big East the way he did? What goes around comes around.

A pathetic plea? Boy are you reaching. Every other conference allows such things. Look at the Pac12. They allow teams from the Pacific northwest to travel to Arizona, stay on the road, and then play Arizona State, all without returning home in between games. It's not an unreasonable request asking the B12 to allow WVU the same courtesy...

The travel issue has nothing to do with cost. It's related to the wear and tear on the players. Forcing the team to return to Morgantown, when they have another road game close by, is unproductive, wastes time, and makes it harder for the players to concentrate on their studies. That's an unnecessary burden on the players, which has been forced upon WVU's players by conference rules. It's not an NCAA regulation...

(03-02-2013 11:00 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:57 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:52 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Whatever the ACC is in 2016 I can assure you Memphis won't be a part of it.

You could add UConn and Temple to that list too!

These ^

I also have a feeling it's going to look like this...

Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
NC State
Notre Dame
Pitt
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Damn sure never been a ACC fan but that is a strong league. It would also warrant the TV Executives wanting it to stay together and simply increasing the TV Contract to make an expensive exit fee not look worthwhile. I know my UNC family and friends have no interest what so ever in road trips to Ohio St. Michigan, Wisconsin etc..and don't really want to be part of the SEC. Tobacco Road had a serious case of envy over the Big East Basketball success over the last decade so they raided the Big East and took it. They now have a Basketball jugernaut Conference that they have dreamed of and if the TV Execs can make it worthwhile for the Football focused schools then there is no reason for them to leave either.

(03-03-2013 10:31 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 09:29 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:21 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The increased income from the B12 should cover that. Even the 50% WVU receives from the B12 this year is a 50% increase over what we would have made in The BEast...

That still doesn't cover travel. Oliver Luck made a hilariously pathetic plea to Texas to let the Big 12 give WVU a schedule change so they don't have to play two road games in a row like everyone else. I guess these things happen when you have to make a 1500 mile round trip only to get beat by 30 every week (in football and basketball).

I wonder if he regrets leaving the Big East the way he did? What goes around comes around.

A pathetic plea? Boy are you reaching. Every other conference allows such things. Look at the Pac12. They allow teams from the Pacific northwest to travel to Arizona, stay on the road, and then play Arizona State, all without returning home in between games. It's not an unreasonable request asking the B12 to allow WVU the same courtesy...

The travel issue has nothing to do with cost. It's related to the wear and tear on the players. Forcing the team to return to Morgantown, when they have another road game close by, is unproductive, wastes time, and makes it harder for the players to concentrate on their studies. That's an unnecessary burden on the players, which has been forced upon WVU's players by conference rules. It's not an NCAA regulation...

It's not an unreasonable request by any means. The Pac 12 is spread out along the Pacific coast. A team doesn't need to travel that far east-west but they have to go a long way north-south. The entire Big 12 is located in the middle of the country.....with one exception. The Big East certainly doesn't bow down to any one school travel wise and neither does the SEC, ACC, or Big 10. This is because they didn't stupidly add any one member on an island, unlike the Big 12.

Luck basically wants the Big 12 to cater to his lack of forward thinking. He blindly sued his way out of the Big East guns blazing, completely unaware of the toll it would take on the "student-athletes" to have to travel to away games in the new conference. Only now does he realize what Jurich found out a year and a half ago. Why is that anybody's fault but his and WVU's and why should the Big 12 give WVU a special scheduling arrangement for it?

go, I'm sure you think the world revolves around UofL and Jurich. It doesn't. The ACC lowered their standards when they invited the Cards, and Louisville's academics are no better than WVU's. So drop the holier than thou attitude. It makes you look stupid...

(03-02-2013 11:34 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  2016? ok

Coastal
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Duke
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Atlantic
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Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

ND for all sports other than football.

Looks good, but I would add two schools to, and be the first conference to go to 16 members. If the rumors of schools leaving, this will still leave the conference viable, and in important areas along the midwest and eastern seaboard. The two schools I would add would be....

Temple

Temple has trustees and a president who have re-committed focus on the athletics at the university. They play in a huge metro area that is full of great basketball players. I think they would please the basketball centric schools, and give the football schools a competitive game. They also would help give BC, Syracuse, UVA, Vtech, and Pitt a potential regional rival, and to top it off if the ACC network is released Philly would be a great market to have.

Cincinnati

Besides being a Bearcat myself I believe Cincinnati is a no brainer for the ACC. Excellent football to appease the football schools, and excellent basketball to appease the basketball fans. Sits in the recruiting rich Southwest Ohio, and gives the ACC another school in the heart of Big Ten country. Opens a market up for the ACC network. The University is on the brink of AAU status, and is the natural rival of Louisville.

So my ACC 2016 looks like this

Coastal
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Duke
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Atlantic
-----
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Wake Forest
Temple

Hadn't really thought about Temple but with Pittsburgh in the other division the ACC would have the 2 largest Pa TV markets in check. Cincinnati in ACC is a no brainer .

only problem, ND! the league would probably keep the door open for them to fully commit but i personally think this is the best way to go! and hopefully the ACC would be done with it!

I don't see the ACC moving beyond 14/15. Cincy and UConn are their obvious next choices should another school, or schools, be taken by the B1G.

After that, Temple, Memphis, maybe USF and/or UCF, would be somewhere in a second group, but hardly unanimous.

You wonder if the B1G and SEC would work together on Virginia and Virginia Tech respectively. WVU would leave the Big 12 for the SEC at the drop of a hat, not even counting Virginia Tech's membership sweetening the pot.

(03-03-2013 12:37 PM)CK42NC Wrote:  only problem, ND! the league would probably keep the door open for them to fully commit but i personally think this is the best way to go! and hopefully the ACC would be done with it!

ND in full time would be great however I really doubt it will happen anywhere for the next few decades and by then many of Us won't be around to see it.

(03-03-2013 12:31 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Syracuse is tired of getting beaten by UConn in FB, and they want their old recruiting grounds back.

BC is just plain terrified of UConn.

.... they want no part of UConn.

UConn football is outclassed in New England by Boston College. That's why the ACC has, and will likely continue to, pass on the Huskies.

(03-03-2013 12:59 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:37 PM)CK42NC Wrote:  only problem, ND! the league would probably keep the door open for them to fully commit but i personally think this is the best way to go! and hopefully the ACC would be done with it!

ND in full time would be great however I really doubt it will happen anywhere for the next few decades and by then many of Us won't be around to see it.

My friend, I must say that you are absolutely right! We may never see the day when ND is a full member!

(03-03-2013 01:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:31 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Syracuse is tired of getting beaten by UConn in FB, and they want their old recruiting grounds back.

BC is just plain terrified of UConn.

.... they want no part of UConn.

UConn football is outclassed in New England by Boston College. That's why the ACC has, and will likely continue to, pass on the Huskies.

I am always amazed at the level many Uconn fans self inflate their program. Most BC fans don't think much about Uconn at all. "Terrified"? LOL, yeah, right.......so scary. Just so funny.

(03-02-2013 11:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Losing one member in 42 years = raided? The Big 12 lost 4 members in 13 months, what would you call that?

getting rid of dead weight

(03-03-2013 01:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:31 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Syracuse is tired of getting beaten by UConn in FB, and they want their old recruiting grounds back.

BC is just plain terrified of UConn.

.... they want no part of UConn.

UConn football is outclassed in New England by Boston College. That's why the ACC has, and will likely continue to, pass on the Huskies.

you're funny

when was the last time BC did anything in any sport other than hockey

(03-02-2013 09:17 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  ACC 2016?
Wake Forest
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Boston College
UConn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis
Notre Dame (olympic sports)

I doubt all those teams will be left over. And I suspect USF, UCF, Houston and SMU would be included.

(03-03-2013 03:43 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Losing one member in 42 years = raided? The Big 12 lost 4 members in 13 months, what would you call that?

getting rid of dead weight

Yeah....Nebraska and all of those National Titles and aTm are dead weight...not including Colorado and their National Title...whatever makes yourself "Feel Better"...

Fact is the B1G, Pac 12 & SEC took what they wanted from the Big XII and there was nothing the Big XII/Texas could do about it.

(03-02-2013 10:52 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Whatever the ACC is in 2016 I can assure you Memphis won't be a part of it.

And you base this on what exactly? Your foolish pride?

Memphis has been mentioned as a real possibility to join the ACC in virtually every scenario in which the ACC loses more than 2 teams.

I realize it's your worst nightmare to have Memphis once again facing you in games, but don't be ridiculous, that is the reality if the conference realignment shuffle begins again.

(03-02-2013 10:52 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Whatever the ACC is in 2016 I can assure you Memphis won't be a part of it.

dang! and i had my bags packed and everything..

(03-03-2013 03:43 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:14 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:11 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I love that the ACC fans just think it's absurd that they will be raided, especially just MONTHS after they have already been raided.

I'm not saying anything is definite but you guys are the new big east with a target on your back and multiple leagues with more money and power drooling over your teams. if you don't see that then you are all in for a serious blow to the ego.

Losing one member in 42 years = raided? The Big 12 lost 4 members in 13 months, what would you call that?

getting rid of dead weight

Like Maryland, you mean?