(03-02-2013 09:17 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 08:44 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:44 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 08:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Makes no business sense. There is even no brand name to be had. At least, when a business person buys a McDonald's franchise, they get the McDonald's name.

On top of paying an entrance fee to a nameless organization, there is also an exit fee to be paid. When B1G expands to 16, then 2 of the 3 will take the entrance fees and run away.

It seems to me the 3 schools need the 9 schools more than the 9 schools need the 3 schools. As I look at the facilities and attendance and their past tv contract, what do the 3 schools bring to the table that the 9 schools don't?

There is a legitimate point here. The reality is that 3 schools are joining 6 other schools who have been competing together for a long time. Under the old NCAA bylaw requiring "Continuity", the 3 schools (without the C7) would not be able to move forward on their own as a qualifying conference and would need the other 6 to meet the Continuity requirement (which no longer exists).

I believe that the 6 CUSA schools do have options. They could withdraw their applications. UConn, Cincy, & USF would no longer qualify as an NCAA conference. The 3 of them could get together and sue the other 6 for the entrance fees. They would have legitimate grounds to do so, but the CUSA 6 could point out that the BE 3 no longer represent anything because their conference doesn't exist any more. They could claim that the BE3 are suing as individuals and as such ave no standing for damages since the entrance fee was to a conference which no longer exists, not to the 3 individuals.

Such a suit would be very messy and the BE 3 might actually win. But it would be so expensive, so messy, and so protracted that it wouldn't be worth the trouble especially since the CUSA 6 could go forward and play as a conference but the BE 3 would have nowhere to go. It would also expose the fact that the BE 3 are not the conference, would force its dissolution, and would force distribution of BE funds among other departing members.

Let's face it the nBE is a fraud as a continuing conference. This is a new conference that is emerging. As such, the entering members should not have to pay one dime of entrance fees because they are not entering anything. If anything, entrance fees should be the other way around. The old Big East became so badly mismanaged by its own members that it has been completely splintered and it pieces have literally been scattered to the four wins.

There is no nBE. The emperor has no clothes.

And I say this as a UConn fan who badly wishes that it had all worked out very differently. Ask me if I want to go to Memphis every year for the nBE tournament.

Melky, if you are a UConn fan (I have doubts) you're going to have to leave 1984 and get with the present. That is what Jeff Jacobs said in the Courant today.

Step One: forget Providence and Seton Hall.
Step Two: embrace Houston and UCF.

I'm not only a UConn fan, I'm a season ticket holder. I was at Gampel on Wednesday night with my son, getting my heart broken dueing the double OT loss to Georgetown. Why would you doubt that I'm a UConn fan? Are we all supposed to think the same way? I guess someone forgot to give me the script to read from.

I read Jacobs this morning. Jacobs, a Providence alum and a hockey beat reporter before he got the job a sea true writer, is playing to his audience. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

I'm not stuck in 1984. If I were, I'd still be hoping that UConn could leave behind its days as a Yankee Conference leader and Big East mediocrity. And I'd be thinking that Houston is a big time basketball school going to Final Flurs year after year.

Sorry, but I am not embracing UCF and Houston right now. Maybe that day will come, but right now I hate being stuck with this group of mediocrity. I hate the fact that our nearest opponent is in Philly. Despite the fact that I love Beal Street, I hate the fact that our conference tournament might be in some place like Memphis. Not a tournament I'll be attending every year like I used to.

Why in the world would a UConn fan be happy with all of this? And why would I suddenly start rooting against program that I've enjoyed a life time competing against. I have relatives who are graduates of Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown. I'm supposed to suddenly no longer be interested,in these programs?

Sorry but none of this works for me.

Actually glad you said all that. It makes it easier to understand where your coming from.

(03-02-2013 09:17 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 08:44 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:44 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 08:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Makes no business sense. There is even no brand name to be had. At least, when a business person buys a McDonald's franchise, they get the McDonald's name.

On top of paying an entrance fee to a nameless organization, there is also an exit fee to be paid. When B1G expands to 16, then 2 of the 3 will take the entrance fees and run away.

It seems to me the 3 schools need the 9 schools more than the 9 schools need the 3 schools. As I look at the facilities and attendance and their past tv contract, what do the 3 schools bring to the table that the 9 schools don't?

There is a legitimate point here. The reality is that 3 schools are joining 6 other schools who have been competing together for a long time. Under the old NCAA bylaw requiring "Continuity", the 3 schools (without the C7) would not be able to move forward on their own as a qualifying conference and would need the other 6 to meet the Continuity requirement (which no longer exists).

I believe that the 6 CUSA schools do have options. They could withdraw their applications. UConn, Cincy, & USF would no longer qualify as an NCAA conference. The 3 of them could get together and sue the other 6 for the entrance fees. They would have legitimate grounds to do so, but the CUSA 6 could point out that the BE 3 no longer represent anything because their conference doesn't exist any more. They could claim that the BE3 are suing as individuals and as such ave no standing for damages since the entrance fee was to a conference which no longer exists, not to the 3 individuals.

Such a suit would be very messy and the BE 3 might actually win. But it would be so expensive, so messy, and so protracted that it wouldn't be worth the trouble especially since the CUSA 6 could go forward and play as a conference but the BE 3 would have nowhere to go. It would also expose the fact that the BE 3 are not the conference, would force its dissolution, and would force distribution of BE funds among other departing members.

Let's face it the nBE is a fraud as a continuing conference. This is a new conference that is emerging. As such, the entering members should not have to pay one dime of entrance fees because they are not entering anything. If anything, entrance fees should be the other way around. The old Big East became so badly mismanaged by its own members that it has been completely splintered and it pieces have literally been scattered to the four wins.

There is no nBE. The emperor has no clothes.

And I say this as a UConn fan who badly wishes that it had all worked out very differently. Ask me if I want to go to Memphis every year for the nBE tournament.

Melky, if you are a UConn fan (I have doubts) you're going to have to leave 1984 and get with the present. That is what Jeff Jacobs said in the Courant today.

Step One: forget Providence and Seton Hall.
Step Two: embrace Houston and UCF.

I'm not only a UConn fan, I'm a season ticket holder. I was at Gampel on Wednesday night with my son, getting my heart broken dueing the double OT loss to Georgetown. Why would you doubt that I'm a UConn fan? Are we all supposed to think the same way? I guess someone forgot to give me the script to read from.

I read Jacobs this morning. Jacobs, a Providence alum and a hockey beat reporter before he got the job a sea true writer, is playing to his audience. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

I'm not stuck in 1984. If I were, I'd still be hoping that UConn could leave behind its days as a Yankee Conference leader and Big East mediocrity. And I'd be thinking that Houston is a big time basketball school going to Final Flurs year after year.

Sorry, but I am not embracing UCF and Houston right now. Maybe that day will come, but right now I hate being stuck with this group of mediocrity. I hate the fact that our nearest opponent is in Philly. Despite the fact that I love Beal Street, I hate the fact that our conference tournament might be in some place like Memphis. Not a tournament I'll be attending every year like I used to.

Why in the world would a UConn fan be happy with all of this? And why would I suddenly start rooting against program that I've enjoyed a life time competing against. I have relatives who are graduates of Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown. I'm supposed to suddenly no longer be interested,in these programs?

Sorry but none of this works for me.

Probably one of the best posts on this board. Once upon a time not so long ago, this was the basis of having a conference. And I would like to say that my feelings about CUSA are just like your feelings about UConn and its regional rivalries.

Different schools used to playing certain schools unhappy because the world goes on and you find out you are not all that you thought you were. Just the way things go. If your school isn't happy with what they are or who thy are then they should do better so that they can be who they think they are.

(03-02-2013 09:49 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Different schools used to playing certain schools unhappy because the world goes on and you find out you are not all that you thought you were. Just the way things go. If your school isn't happy with what they are or who thy are then they should do better so that they can be who they think they are.

It's not as simple as that. When the family gets together, one of the things we always talk about is Big East basketball. I was on the phone today, congratulating my son-in-law, a Providence alum, for an award he has won. The conversation quickly got around to how UConn is doing and his hopes for Providence finishing the season strong, starting with tonight's game against St. John's (which PC won). Same kinds of conversations go on at the office every day. With UConn leaving the Big East, those conversations just won't be the same any more.

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I'm not only a UConn fan, I'm a season ticket holder. I was at Gampel on Wednesday night with my son, getting my heart broken dueing the double OT loss to Georgetown. Why would you doubt that I'm a UConn fan? Are we all supposed to think the same way? I guess someone forgot to give me the script to read from.

I read Jacobs this morning. Jacobs, a Providence alum and a hockey beat reporter before he got the job a sea true writer, is playing to his audience. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

I'm not stuck in 1984. If I were, I'd still be hoping that UConn could leave behind its days as a Yankee Conference leader and Big East mediocrity. And I'd be thinking that Houston is a big time basketball school going to Final Flurs year after year.

Sorry, but I am not embracing UCF and Houston right now. Maybe that day will come, but right now I hate being stuck with this group of mediocrity. I hate the fact that our nearest opponent is in Philly. Despite the fact that I love Beal Street, I hate the fact that our conference tournament might be in some place like Memphis. Not a tournament I'll be attending every year like I used to.

Why in the world would a UConn fan be happy with all of this? And why would I suddenly start rooting against program that

I've enjoyed a life time competing against. I have relatives who are graduates of Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown. I'm supposed to suddenly no longer be interested,in these programs?

Sorry but none of this works for me.
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I and I am guessing that many others who contribute here do feel your pain.
Adding a successful program that has won A10 titles from 08 through 10 should help that pain. If Aresco is smart, he will invite the A10 program that has won the 2nd most titles (UMass) for hoops only. Then he should add a large public U from VA that made the Final 4 in 09, has won 5 CAA titles and 8 finals appearances (VCU), adding another large VA public U that made the Final 4 in 08 with 4 CAA titles and 10 finals appearances(Ga Mason) would be another wise move. Adding Temple, UMass, VCU & Ga Mason won't make up for Syracuse, Pitt, Marquette, Georgetown, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall & St John's but it still leaves you in a very strong hoops conference. Memphis is quite an addition as well.

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I'm not only a UConn fan, I'm a season ticket holder. I was at Gampel on Wednesday night with my son, getting my heart broken dueing the double OT loss to Georgetown. Why would you doubt that I'm a UConn fan? Are we all supposed to think the same way? I guess someone forgot to give me the script to read from.

I read Jacobs this morning. Jacobs, a Providence alum and a hockey beat reporter before he got the job a sea true writer, is playing to his audience. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

I'm not stuck in 1984. If I were, I'd still be hoping that UConn could leave behind its days as a Yankee Conference leader and Big East mediocrity. And I'd be thinking that Houston is a big time basketball school going to Final Flurs year after year.

Sorry, but I am not embracing UCF and Houston right now. Maybe that day will come, but right now I hate being stuck with this group of mediocrity. I hate the fact that our nearest opponent is in Philly. Despite the fact that I love Beal Street, I hate the fact that our conference tournament might be in some place like Memphis. Not a tournament I'll be attending every year like I used to.

Why in the world would a UConn fan be happy with all of this? And why would I suddenly start rooting against program that

I've enjoyed a life time competing against. I have relatives who are graduates of Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown. I'm supposed to suddenly no longer be interested,in these programs?

Sorry but none of this works for me.
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I and I am guessing that many others who contribute here do feel your pain.
Adding a successful program that has won A10 titles from 08 through 10 should help that pain. If Aresco is smart, he will invite the A10 program that has won the 2nd most titles (UMass) for hoops only. Then he should add a large public U from VA that made the Final 4 in 09, has won 5 CAA titles and 8 finals appearances (VCU), adding another large VA public U that made the Final 4 in 08 with 4 CAA titles and 10 finals appearances(Ga Mason) would be another wise move. Adding Temple, UMass, VCU & Ga Mason won't make up for Syracuse, Pitt, Marquette, Georgetown, Nova, Providence, Seton Hall & St John's but it still leaves you in a very strong hoops conference. Memphis is quite an addition as well.
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It would be a step in the right direction.

Been saying this for awhile, makes no sense what so ever that programs are paying to be about of whats left of the BE. The Big East has nothing left to offer. The 7 should just spilt off and form the WE ARE SMARTER THAN THAT CONFERENCE. They have nothing to lose and 5 million to gain. Whats Cincy, UCONN and Temple going to do?

It is an interesting question but it requires a little clarification.

4 BE football schools remain - Connecticut, Cincinnati, South Florida and Temple.
4 all sport schools are scheduled to join in 2013 - Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, Southern Methodist
1 Olympic sport school is scheduled to join in 2013 - Temple
1 all sport school scheduled to join in 2014 - Tulane
1 Football school scheduled to join in 2014 - East Carolina
1 Football school scheduled to join in 2015 - Navy

I only count 7 new schools. Could/should the 4-1/2 schools joining in 2013 renegotiate? Probably. That would open the door for Tulane and partial members ECU and Navy to renegotiate.

(03-02-2013 09:17 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I'm not only a UConn fan, I'm a season ticket holder. I was at Gampel on Wednesday night with my son, getting my heart broken dueing the double OT loss to Georgetown. Why would you doubt that I'm a UConn fan? Are we all supposed to think the same way? I guess someone forgot to give me the script to read from.

I read Jacobs this morning. Jacobs, a Providence alum and a hockey beat reporter before he got the job a sea true writer, is playing to his audience. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't.

I'm not stuck in 1984. If I were, I'd still be hoping that UConn could leave behind its days as a Yankee Conference leader and Big East mediocrity. And I'd be thinking that Houston is a big time basketball school going to Final Flurs year after year.

Sorry, but I am not embracing UCF and Houston right now. Maybe that day will come, but right now I hate being stuck with this group of mediocrity. I hate the fact that our nearest opponent is in Philly. Despite the fact that I love Beal Street, I hate the fact that our conference tournament might be in some place like Memphis. Not a tournament I'll be attending every year like I used to.

Why in the world would a UConn fan be happy with all of this? And why would I suddenly start rooting against program that I've enjoyed a life time competing against. I have relatives who are graduates of Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, and Georgetown. I'm supposed to suddenly no longer be interested,in these programs?

Sorry but none of this works for me.

I get where you are coming from on that.

Think about ECU, the BE we wanted to join isn't there. The ____ that will be there is basically the CUSA we joined in 1997 without some of the "lesser" schools.

I'd like to hear more about UCon's opinions on the matter as USF and UC were CUSA transplants into the BE you had already been a member of.

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I think basketball with UC/Memphis/Ucon can form a good core. Also ECU is finally moving up in hoops. Houston could get back to being real good too. It might not be a 10 bid OBE but it could be a 3-4 Bid NBE.

I don't think the football would drop off that much.

(03-02-2013 09:15 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  arent the FB schools losing the name but keeping the history? i think the history of the BE is worth an entry fee

The "football history" of the Big East is gone. Pitt, L'ville, Syracuse, and West Virginia took most of it with them.

UConn has a little and Cincy has a bit more but no, the entrance fee for maybe the second ranked Mid-Major conference is not worth what these school went through, especially with the C7 gone.

That being said sometimes when you buy a penny stock you lose it all. The Big East *was a gamble* for the latest arrivals (Temple, Tulane, and ECU). The Titanic was listing and they jumped on board with their buckets.

Uconn, Cincy, and USF were "damaged" when the other schools bailed on Big East. They deserve more and will get more.

The rest will get worked out fairly.

(03-04-2013 11:01 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Uconn, Cincy, and USF were "damaged" when the other schools bailed on Big East. They deserve more and will get more.

The rest will get worked out fairly.

That's a prediction, and it's a prediction I would have made 24 hours ago. But it's not reflected in the deal, as reported. The 3 holdovers sell the name (and let the C7 exit early), and take everything, except for $1M each to the new schools, who still have to pay $2.5M in entry fees.

(03-04-2013 11:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:01 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Uconn, Cincy, and USF were "damaged" when the other schools bailed on Big East. They deserve more and will get more.

The rest will get worked out fairly.

That's a prediction, and it's a prediction I would have made 24 hours ago. But it's not reflected in the deal, as reported. The 3 holdovers sell the name (and let the C7 exit early), and take everything, except for $1M each to the new schools, who still have to pay $2.5M in entry fees.

Jersey Guy is not a good soruce. If he says the sky is blue...bet you ass the sky is grey. Even a broke clock is right twice a day...but Jersey Guy is the exception...he is never correct. ever.

(03-04-2013 11:30 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:01 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Uconn, Cincy, and USF were "damaged" when the other schools bailed on Big East. They deserve more and will get more.

The rest will get worked out fairly.

That's a prediction, and it's a prediction I would have made 24 hours ago. But it's not reflected in the deal, as reported. The 3 holdovers sell the name (and let the C7 exit early), and take everything, except for $1M each to the new schools, who still have to pay $2.5M in entry fees.

Jersey Guy is not a good soruce. If he says the sky is blue...bet you ass the sky is grey. Even a broke clock is right twice a day...but Jersey Guy is the exception...he is never correct. ever.

If he says that the sky is purple, that basically means that today, for whatever reason, Aresco said the sky was purple.

(03-04-2013 11:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:30 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:01 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Uconn, Cincy, and USF were "damaged" when the other schools bailed on Big East. They deserve more and will get more.

The rest will get worked out fairly.

That's a prediction, and it's a prediction I would have made 24 hours ago. But it's not reflected in the deal, as reported. The 3 holdovers sell the name (and let the C7 exit early), and take everything, except for $1M each to the new schools, who still have to pay $2.5M in entry fees.

Jersey Guy is not a good soruce. If he says the sky is blue...bet you ass the sky is grey. Even a broke clock is right twice a day...but Jersey Guy is the exception...he is never correct. ever.

If he says that the sky is purple, that basically means that today, for whatever reason, Aresco said the sky was purple.

They belong together. The should give a symposium on how not to run a blog or a college athletic conference.