If Gonzaga is willing to do the travel (they have their own plane) and fox is willing to help offset some of their travel coast then its a no brainer to add them. The last I checked, Hawaii is a longer travel commute than Gonzaga despite playing in a west coast conference. Remember, each school would only be required to travel once to washington so what's the major problem? Also, it will help the conference get exposure out west especially when it comes to recruiting. Someone mentioned it was possible that Gonzaga can join the Big East for basketball only. No offense, I rather have Gonzaga than Dayton, VCU or any one else for that matter. If we want to be a power conference from the start this is the direction we need to go. In the end, its cable stations like Fox and Espn that are calling the shots and not the school presidentso. It was espn who wanted syracuse and pitt to leave the Big East when they rejected the orginal TV contract. This makes sense because Fox want a return on their investment and they feel Xavier, Butler, St. Louis, Creighton, Gonzaga and the B7 will do just that. Big ratings means big advertising revenue for fox. I am glad its fox calling the shots instead of the Presidents, because we would end up with Richmond, Siena or perhaps Detroit as members.

as long as gonzaga is in the mix, why not throw in Denver? New market good olymppic sports (including lax) Then add 2 eastern teams like richmond/vcu and Detroit(what can it hurt?)
xavier(cincy)
butler(indy)
creighton(omaha)
dayton
st louis

gonzaga
denver
detroit
richmond

added to nyc,philly,providence,chicago, milwaukee and dc

It helps that Gonzaga will be #1 in the polls and possibly have a 1 seed in the tournament. Definitely gives you an immediate boost.

BTW, I see no way they'd go beyond 12 if the dollars aren't scaled accordingly.

I mean no offense to the Hoyas, but this just feels like nonsense.

(03-02-2013 10:48 AM)Title Wrote:  BTW, I see no way they'd go beyond 12 if the dollars aren't scaled accordingly.

I mean no offense to the Hoyas, but this just feels like nonsense.

I think idea is that Fox is pushing for a 12 team conference with Gonzaga, with the potential to expand if they feel other schools are worth the money.

It sounds like Fox wants 12, the C7 want 10, and the Fox supports Gonzaga to push the C7 to 12.

Guys, it's the 5 that Thamel said we would add days after the split are who we are adding. We have done nothing but talk ourselves into things that aren't close to reality. Thamel has been right on more occasions than anyone else and does not throw out BS just to get hits for his stories.

I am thinking the same thing, I believe Fox wants Gonzaga as part of the 12th and expension is down the road. Also, Fox wants 12 because more games to televise for their network which makes sense on their end. In the end, Fox wants to be the leader in sports over Espn. This is why Fox is supporting the Big 10(fox owns a major share of the Big 10 Network)to raid the ACC (own by Espn) which will weaken their position.

If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

If the league wants to have Gonzaga as a lone western appendage in a 12-team league, then that's a bad idea. Saying that Fox wants Gonzaga is like saying that they want the Big Ten to add FSU and USC instead of Rutgers and Maryland. No s**t, Sherlock! However, as we just saw with Boise State in the Big East, schools will say they're OK with being a geographic outlier to get into a league, but then it's going to be inherently unstable until you can actually provide them with a full pod/division.

Solution: just have the Big East enter into a scheduling alliance agreement alone with Gonzaga (as opposed to the entire WCC) to play 6 non-conference games per year. Maybe they can do the same thing with a school like BYU. That beefs up the non-conference games available for Fox, every school in a 12-team Big East gets to play either Gonzaga or BYU every year, and it only deals with the men's basketball game that people want instead of trekking all of the non-revenue sports across the country.

(03-02-2013 11:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

If the league wants to have Gonzaga as a lone western appendage in a 12-team league, then that's a bad idea. Saying that Fox wants Gonzaga is like saying that they want the Big Ten to add FSU and USC instead of Rutgers and Maryland. No s**t, Sherlock! However, as we just saw with Boise State in the Big East, schools will say they're OK with being a geographic outlier to get into a league, but then it's going to be inherently unstable until you can actually provide them with a full pod/division.

Solution: just have the Big East enter into a scheduling alliance agreement alone with Gonzaga (as opposed to the entire WCC) to play 6 non-conference games per year. Maybe they can do the same thing with a school like BYU. That beefs up the non-conference games available for Fox, every school in a 12-team Big East gets to play either Gonzaga or BYU every year, and it only deals with the men's basketball game that people want instead of trekking all of the non-revenue sports across the country.

Im positive that both of those schools would be game for that plan.

(03-02-2013 11:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

The problem is, there are only 3 good schools, and one is highly dangerous in that it is a very valuable FBS football program. Saint Mary's isn't really a travel partner either.

For comparison, Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU all had 5-year RPI averages of about 40. The best other team in the WCC? 171.

It is more feasible to have a scheduling agreement than an actual conference alignment, but who knows what dynamics exist between Fox, the presidents, and the ADs. If Gonzaga is thrown in, it probably is a compromise that might happen despite being unfeasible.

(03-02-2013 11:35 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

The problem is, there are only 3 good schools, and one is highly dangerous in that it is a very valuable FBS football program. Saint Mary's isn't really a travel partner either.

For comparison, Gonzaga, Saint Mary's and BYU all had 5-year RPI averages of about 40. The best other team in the WCC? 171.

It is more feasible to have a scheduling agreement than an actual conference alignment, but who knows what dynamics exist between Fox, the presidents, and the ADs. If Gonzaga is thrown in, it probably is a compromise that might happen despite being unfeasible.

Fox is not pushing for Gonzaga. If it was we would have heard about it when the news broke the other day. They are announcing the league on Tuesday. Why all of a sudden would they push for Gonzaga?

Also who do you believe Katz or Thamel? I believe Thamel everyday of the week and twice on sunday if the choice is between those two.

Thamel is a hack -- just saying. Te'o story, Noel story, etc etc.

(03-02-2013 01:24 PM)monroedoctrine Wrote:  Thamel is a hack -- just saying. Te'o story, Noel story, etc etc.

Really? He's been more right about realignment than wrong. Also the Teo story was due two hours after the interview took place. Any other journalist take a look into Teo's story?

If it goes to 16, the last two (after Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, Creighton, Saint Louis, Dayton and VCU) should be Duquesne and St. Bona.

You'd have 7 marquee programs, plus a blend of those Top 50-75 programs with a couple developing markets for future growth.

How did we go from adding Gonzaga - to Adding an entire "West Coast Big East?" I just want Gonzaga, there's no one else out west worth a lick. I've been to Spokane, it's actually a very nice little city to visit. I'm starting to think we would need to add a few more in the East Coast to balance it out. Richmond/VCU or...that's about it. No to Siena.

(03-02-2013 11:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

If the league wants to have Gonzaga as a lone western appendage in a 12-team league, then that's a bad idea. Saying that Fox wants Gonzaga is like saying that they want the Big Ten to add FSU and USC instead of Rutgers and Maryland. No s**t, Sherlock! However, as we just saw with Boise State in the Big East, schools will say they're OK with being a geographic outlier to get into a league, but then it's going to be inherently unstable until you can actually provide them with a full pod/division.

Solution: just have the Big East enter into a scheduling alliance agreement alone with Gonzaga (as opposed to the entire WCC) to play 6 non-conference games per year. Maybe they can do the same thing with a school like BYU. That beefs up the non-conference games available for Fox, every school in a 12-team Big East gets to play either Gonzaga or BYU every year, and it only deals with the men's basketball game that people want instead of trekking all of the non-revenue sports across the country.

I like this idea. I also like the idea of the current c7 having a"challenge" or agreement with the 7 schools in the ACC "BIG EAST" Division

(03-02-2013 02:36 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:21 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the league wants to expand to 16 with a full western flank (meaning 4 western schools, and *no*, Creighton is not "west"), then that's great. I'm game for that.

If the league wants to have Gonzaga as a lone western appendage in a 12-team league, then that's a bad idea. Saying that Fox wants Gonzaga is like saying that they want the Big Ten to add FSU and USC instead of Rutgers and Maryland. No s**t, Sherlock! However, as we just saw with Boise State in the Big East, schools will say they're OK with being a geographic outlier to get into a league, but then it's going to be inherently unstable until you can actually provide them with a full pod/division.

Solution: just have the Big East enter into a scheduling alliance agreement alone with Gonzaga (as opposed to the entire WCC) to play 6 non-conference games per year. Maybe they can do the same thing with a school like BYU. That beefs up the non-conference games available for Fox, every school in a 12-team Big East gets to play either Gonzaga or BYU every year, and it only deals with the men's basketball game that people want instead of trekking all of the non-revenue sports across the country.

I like this idea. I also like the idea of the current c7 having a"challenge" or agreement with the 7 schools in the ACC "BIG EAST" Division

F that, I want to whoop on those west coast wussies in the Pac-12!!! Dominating the pac like we used to do to the SEC will go a long way.

Big East vs. Pac-12 makes most sense since they are both owned by Fox.

We can also play the Big Ten since FOX owns a large share of the Big 10 network.

(03-02-2013 06:04 PM)HoyaAnt Wrote:  We can also play the Big Ten since FOX owns a large share of the Big 10 network.

They are sticking with the ACC. Also we have a better chance to beat the PAC every year.