(03-03-2013 08:29 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 07:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While there is certainly some truth in what you are saying, I think the reality is that the C7 is more of a geographic oddity than it is a model for future nonAQ success. College basketball is arguably far more popular than college football in the heavily populated northeast. Will the C7 model provide a 4 million dollar a school nonAQ payday in the south? I doubt it.

Only five of those schools fit that desc ription. The rest are in the midwest, all but one in "football states"

(03-03-2013 04:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The non-AQ conferences will be splitting a BCS pot estimted at 81 million dollars. Thats 16 million a conference. Without FBS football, youd need 64 NCAA credits a year just to break even with that football income.

One basketball credit pays a bit under $2 million over six years. 64 NCAA credits in one year would pay you $19.2 million a year for six years, or $115 million. Note this is just the performance aspect. The NCAA also pays conferences between $15-$30 million a piece in scholarship money from the rest of the tv contract without regard to performance.

adcorbett, just so I understand what you're saying, the money that the NCAA pays to each conference from the tournament TV contract is at worst equal (+/- a bit) to what each non-AQ conference will be getting paid from the new BCS deal, right? Obviously, the conference that grabs the one BCS spot available makes out much better than those numbers.

I'm not trying to stir anything up at all, but trying to get my head around where income is really generated. I'm trying to figure out if "football drives the bus", while accurate for AQ conferences, is really applicable for the rest of us, particularly those that have reasonably successful basketball members.

The portion of NCAA money that is distributed based on merit, which is about 1/3 of the money shared, are paid out in what are known as NCAA units. They are averaged over a six year period. Essentially every unit earned will pay a bit over $300,000 a year for the next six years after expenses. So essentially if you make an NCAA appearance and go to the sweet 16, you earn three units. Those three units, when averaged out, will pay the conference about $950,000 a ahead ?acter expenses are covered) for the next six years.

The current big east makes much less in tv money than any other bcs conference. But the sheer number of NCAA credits essentially adds close to $30 million a year in income, far more than any other conference, which helps big east teams make about $9 million a year in conference revenue, even though the tv contract pays less than $4 million a year.

(03-03-2013 11:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 08:29 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 07:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  While there is certainly some truth in what you are saying, I think the reality is that the C7 is more of a geographic oddity than it is a model for future nonAQ success. College basketball is arguably far more popular than college football in the heavily populated northeast. Will the C7 model provide a 4 million dollar a school nonAQ payday in the south? I doubt it.

Only five of those schools fit that desc ription. The rest are in the midwest, all but one in "football states"

(03-03-2013 04:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The non-AQ conferences will be splitting a BCS pot estimted at 81 million dollars. Thats 16 million a conference. Without FBS football, youd need 64 NCAA credits a year just to break even with that football income.

One basketball credit pays a bit under $2 million over six years. 64 NCAA credits in one year would pay you $19.2 million a year for six years, or $115 million. Note this is just the performance aspect. The NCAA also pays conferences between $15-$30 million a piece in scholarship money from the rest of the tv contract without regard to performance.

adcorbett, just so I understand what you're saying, the money that the NCAA pays to each conference from the tournament TV contract is at worst equal (+/- a bit) to what each non-AQ conference will be getting paid from the new BCS deal, right? Obviously, the conference that grabs the one BCS spot available makes out much better than those numbers.

I'm not trying to stir anything up at all, but trying to get my head around where income is really generated. I'm trying to figure out if "football drives the bus", while accurate for AQ conferences, is really applicable for the rest of us, particularly those that have reasonably successful basketball members.

The portion of NCAA money that is distributed based on merit, which is about 1/3 of the money shared, are paid out in what are known as NCAA units. They are averaged over a six year period. Essentially every unit earned will pay a bit over $300,000 a year for the next six years after expenses. So essentially if you make an NCAA appearance and go to the sweet 16, you earn three units. Those three units, when averaged out, will pay the conference about $950,000 a ahead ?acter expenses are covered) for the next six years.

The current big east makes much less in tv money than any other bcs conference. But the sheer number of NCAA credits essentially adds close to $30 million a year in income, far more than any other conference, which helps big east teams make about $9 million a year in conference revenue, even though the tv contract pays less than $4 million a year.

Thanks for your response.

Evidently I didn't articulate my question very well.