I assume were talking about "for the 2013 season" - so yes.

(03-01-2013 08:02 PM)jnewyouth Wrote:  Yes, I am talking about the C7, which by all reports will be known as the Big East. Winorloseesgle can't read.

Oh, I can read. I just can't keep up with the whirlwind of conference affiliations, changes, be, nbe, obe.....my bad. Yes, After what seems like eons of posters from schools that in no way, shape, form or fashion make me think "big east" do nothing but talk about their inclusion in the "big east", I just assumed it was yet another ecu or houston poster trying to rationalize ND joining that version of the b/e, not the real one.

Moving to the BE now instead of moving the ACC now, would give ND a safe place to sit the next 3 or 4 months to see if the ACC is realigned.

(03-01-2013 05:39 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  ACC 17 Mill per school, BE 3-4 Mill per school.

Its 20 million now for ACC.

I think the BE is better for ND long term. BE is a better fit for their brand identity. BE is more stable. It's almost as competitive as the ACC. The money looks like it will be close enough (a few million here or there isn't a big deal for them). It gets them in the markets they want to be in (ND doesn't give two figs about playing south of the Mason-Dixon line except for in El Paso, central/southern FL, and games that will be nationally televised. NC, SC, GA, VA outside of DC, and Tallahassee are all less than 6% Catholic).

And most importantly, they won't have to give up their scheduling independence for football. The secondary bowl arrangements are the only thing that would keep ND in the ACC, and they have a habit of declining those bowls anyways.

(03-02-2013 06:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 05:39 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  ACC 17 Mill per school, BE 3-4 Mill per school.

Its 20 million now for ACC.

Irrelevant.

Notre Dame isn't joining the ACC for football. Add the Big East/C7 basketball dollars onto Notre Dame's football contract with NBC and they're in the ACC neighborhood.

(03-02-2013 07:37 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think the BE is better for ND long term. BE is a better fit for their brand identity. BE is more stable. It's almost as competitive as the ACC. The money looks like it will be close enough (a few million here or there isn't a big deal for them). It gets them in the markets they want to be in (ND doesn't give two figs about playing south of the Mason-Dixon line except for in El Paso, central/southern FL, and games that will be nationally televised. NC, SC, GA, VA outside of DC, and Tallahassee are all less than 6% Catholic).

And most importantly, they won't have to give up their scheduling independence for football. The secondary bowl arrangements are the only thing that would keep ND in the ACC, and they have a habit of declining those bowls anyways.

ND joining the C7 for one season is a dumb idea for all concerned.

ND joining the C7 long term only makes sense for ND as a last ditch, last resort move to save football independence.

Go look at ND's football roster. Many of ND's star players are from the corridor from Virginia through the Carolinas into Florida.

QB Everett Golson is from South Carolina. NT Louis Nix is from Florida. DE Stephon Tuitt is from Georgia.

ND has shifted its recruiting focus big time towards the Southeast Atlantic coast. That is a big reason it will play most of its other sports and five football games a year against ACC schools.

It wants to play there regularly to combat the negative recruiting of opposing coaches saying "ND is too far away for your Mom and Dad see you play."

Besides the recruiting angle, the ACC affiliation takes care of November scheduling and gives ND access to minor bowls.

It also will have as good or better basketball, baseball, lacrosse, soccer,etc.. than the C7.

The ACC deal is a good fit for Notre Dame.

The ACC's TV contract is rumored to increase to about a $20mil payout per year, with Notre Dame and Louisville.

Months ago, Swofford estimated that 30% of the TV contract was from basketball.

Notre Dame will be making 1/15 of that money every year.

I believe that's about $400,000 per year, from the basketball portion of the ACC's TV contract.

Yes we should have.

(03-01-2013 06:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 06:27 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 06:22 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  ND will be making as much as the C7 in the ACC, around 3.5 mil.

That's only looking at the TV cash.

Basketball revenue sharing in the ACC is more established and far higher. Plus some of the other sports ND's budget is a mismatch for nBE budgets.

1. What revenue besides TV money do they share? Tournament gate?

2. They were in the same league with 5 of the 10 members they would be competing against since the mid 90's and 2 others for the last decade. I think we're fine competing with them.

FWIW, the IRS tax documents submitted by the ACC for 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 indicate that the in the year ending June 2019, regular ACC members got about $28 million, while Notre Dame got about $7 million.

In 2019-2020, regular members go around $32m, while Notre Dame got $10.6m.

Either of those numbers seems considerably more than they would get in the nBE, I imagine.

(03-02-2013 06:49 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 05:39 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  ACC 17 Mill per school, BE 3-4 Mill per school.

Its 20 million now for ACC.

Here's one to Wilkie. RIP.

This was a dumb thread even in 2013, and why the hell is it getting bumped more than 9 years later?

(09-13-2022 04:18 PM)Poster Wrote:  This was a dumb thread even in 2013, and why the hell is it getting bumped more than 9 years later?

Exactly. Mods, is there anyway to put an expiration date on threads to prevent this sort of thing. This is the second one today.

(03-01-2013 05:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 05:39 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  ACC 17 Mill per school, BE 3-4 Mill per school.

ND isn't getting ACC football money, so their ACC share will be much less than that.

Do we know how much ND is going to get from the ACC's TV package?

Notre Dame gets a 1/5 share of ACC tv money. They get a full share of ACC Network payout. They also pool their bowl money with the ACC unless they are in NY6 or playoff bowl, in which case they keep all of those payouts.

Edit - didn’t realize until I saw the above comment that this is a 10 year old zombie thread.

I’d think they’d do better putting their football in B1G and other sports in Big East.

Would work better for Big Ten as well.

(09-13-2022 08:49 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  I’d think they’d do better putting their football in B1G and other sports in Big East.

Would work better for Big Ten as well.

I doubt it'd ever happen.

But if they did something like this, they'd have to pair them with someone - Maybe Stanford?

Or how about a group?

Imagine if ND, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Or, and WA, were in the B10 for football-only.

(Might need it to be football and bball.)

And the rest of the sports could join local conferences.

If it worked, could add 2 of FSU, Miami, and/or GT, to that list of football-only, as well.

Then could add NC and Duke as full members and B10 realignment could be done - 16+8

The current Big East would have appeal to ND, but the ACC remains a superior choice. ND needs to be able to schedule P5 football games during the October and November. As the P5 conferences all increase their conference game commitment, this will continue to become more difficult without an arrangement similar to that offered by the ACC. ND also needs access to second tier bowls. Its arrangement with the ACC ensures access to a variety of high quality second tier bowl. Maybe another P5 conference could offer a similar arrangement. I'm sure the B12 would be interested, but the Big East simply cannot do so.

I sure miss Wilkie's posts R.I.P.

(09-13-2022 10:23 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 08:49 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  I’d think they’d do better putting their football in B1G and other sports in Big East.

Would work better for Big Ten as well.

I doubt it'd ever happen.

But if they did something like this, they'd have to pair them with someone - Maybe Stanford?

Or how about a group?

Imagine if ND, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Or, and WA, were in the B10 for football-only.

(Might need it to be football and bball.)

And the rest of the sports could join local conferences.

If it worked, could add 2 of FSU, Miami, and/or GT, to that list of football-only, as well.

Then could add NC and Duke as full members and B10 realignment could be done - 16+8

You know that would be a great idea to send the mentioned PAC schools into a West Coast BE style conference, add Gonzaga and a few more Basketball powers from out West . Maybe SDSU to Big XII for Football only and Olympic sports to the new format