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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 09:45 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 08:49 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the very least i could see the new guys entrance fees waived since you are joining a new league.

Your school, along with Cindy and UConn will get rich as hell off this garbage. The rest of us get nothing but a hollowed out unnamed conference where everyone is looking to leave as soon as possible. Yeah, it's just great.

We don't know what the deal will be but those three schools also are the biggest losers from the realignment moves and even this cash payout won't change that.
Even as crappy as the deal for this new conference is, for the new guys still a better deal from where they came from and could have been left in. Southern miss or Tulsa would swap with you guys in a heartbeat.

So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

This is an important fact that the new schools are forgetting. NO ONE has lost more in the realignment shuffle than UC, USF, and UConn. No one. The new teams have lost nothing. In fact, they have gained one year of BCS. If anyone out there deserves the money, it is USF, UC, and UConn. Now, I'm not suggesting the new schools shouldn't get anythig. Maybe they should get something or maybe get their entrance fees waived. But let's remember this fact.

And how quickly you guys seem to forget your boat was sinking and you were going to drown. You called us in the middle of the night to come help you out. Without us...you die. or translation...three schools does not a conference make. Without the incoming schools the conference would be disolved. Exit fees would NOT be paid and Credits would go to schools that earned them. Without us you would have no money, Don't forget that.

I haven't forgotten that. But you still haven't lost as much as UC, USF, and UConn, no matter what you have lost. But you do have some valid points, and is the reason I think your entrance fee should be waived.
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 09:49 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 09:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:03 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:57 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Your school, along with Cindy and UConn will get rich as hell off this garbage. The rest of us get nothing but a hollowed out unnamed conference where everyone is looking to leave as soon as possible. Yeah, it's just great.

We don't know what the deal will be but those three schools also are the biggest losers from the realignment moves and even this cash payout won't change that.
Even as crappy as the deal for this new conference is, for the new guys still a better deal from where they came from and could have been left in. Southern miss or Tulsa would swap with you guys in a heartbeat.

So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

This is an important fact that the new schools are forgetting. NO ONE has lost more in the realignment shuffle than UC, USF, and UConn. No one. The new teams have lost nothing. In fact, they have gained one year of BCS. If anyone out there deserves the money, it is USF, UC, and UConn. Now, I'm not suggesting the new schools shouldn't get anythig. Maybe they should get something or maybe get their entrance fees waived. But let's remember this fact.

And how quickly you guys seem to forget your boat was sinking and you were going to drown. You called us in the middle of the night to come help you out. Without us...you die. or translation...three schools does not a conference make. Without the incoming schools the conference would be disolved. Exit fees would NOT be paid and Credits would go to schools that earned them. Without us you would have no money, Don't forget that.

I haven't forgotten that. But you still haven't lost as much as UC, USF, and UConn, no matter what you have lost. But you do have some valid points, and is the reason I think your entrance fee should be waived.

agreed
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 10:11 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 09:45 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:03 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We don't know what the deal will be but those three schools also are the biggest losers from the realignment moves and even this cash payout won't change that.
Even as crappy as the deal for this new conference is, for the new guys still a better deal from where they came from and could have been left in. Southern miss or Tulsa would swap with you guys in a heartbeat.

So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

This is an important fact that the new schools are forgetting. NO ONE has lost more in the realignment shuffle than UC, USF, and UConn. No one. The new teams have lost nothing. In fact, they have gained one year of BCS. If anyone out there deserves the money, it is USF, UC, and UConn. Now, I'm not suggesting the new schools shouldn't get anythig. Maybe they should get something or maybe get their entrance fees waived. But let's remember this fact.

And how quickly you guys seem to forget your boat was sinking and you were going to drown. You called us in the middle of the night to come help you out. Without us...you die. or translation...three schools does not a conference make. Without the incoming schools the conference would be disolved. Exit fees would NOT be paid and Credits would go to schools that earned them. Without us you would have no money, Don't forget that.

I haven't forgotten that. But you still haven't lost as much as UC, USF, and UConn, no matter what you have lost. But you do have some valid points, and is the reason I think your entrance fee should be waived.

agreed

What exactly did USF lose? You guys have stunk for years and were only an invite because of location. Just feel lucky you lived the good life for a while.
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
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(02-28-2013 08:57 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  [quote='Cubanbull' pid='9025702' dateline='1362102555']
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So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

Not too sure about that now, went from CUSA who was at least seen as the solid #8 conf with a bit of a reputation built up to a no name conf that will take us 8 years to $$ break even . I think we have to go for the ride, but financially it is a train wreck.
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
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(02-28-2013 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  [quote='Cubanbull' pid='9025581' dateline='1362101284']



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Those agreements also said that the incoming schools were joining the Big East - something that clearly isn't true anymore. I have to think the entry agreements get completely renegotiated at this point.

Nope, We signed the deal with the corp identity that is the BE. It still exist even if the name is gone.
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 10:34 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:03 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:57 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  [quote='Cubanbull' pid='9025702' dateline='1362102555']
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So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

Not too sure about that now, went from CUSA who was at least seen as the solid #8 conf with a bit of a reputation built up to a no name conf that will take us 8 years to $$ break even . I think we have to go for the ride, but financially it is a train wreck.
Exactly.The new schools will take years to break even. We can all go conspiracy theory but I still think it was a good bet for us.
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Yup. It's still valid and so are the agreements.
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(02-28-2013 08:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 08:28 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Just as important will be keeping the basketball units of the nonC7 that leave.
That basically will bring in 20-25 million a year for the next few years to the 10 team league which would be higher than our tv deal.

Holy crap -- is that true -- as in cite a reference true? If so, this is a pretty solid deal for the incoming group also.

Except its not our money. The admissions contracts for the new teams spcifically says that we get no share of NCAA credit income earned prior to our admission. We also get no part of the exit fee income as the exiting schools all left prior to our admission. That money belongs to USF, UConn, Cinci, and Temple.

For the new teams, all that happened today is that we lost an association with a well known and recognized brand. Now, maybe an agreement to share that income has been made--but under the current bylaws and agreements--the new schools will see no windfall and were by far the biggest losers today. Im hoping someone in that room was on our side today.

How can you lose something that was never your?
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 09:00 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 08:48 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  I'm scared to ask how else we can get screwed on this.

Just wait for the bowl games coming our way. LOL.

That's the next shoe to drop.

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(02-28-2013 11:00 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:28 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Just as important will be keeping the basketball units of the nonC7 that leave.
That basically will bring in 20-25 million a year for the next few years to the 10 team league which would be higher than our tv deal.

Holy crap -- is that true -- as in cite a reference true? If so, this is a pretty solid deal for the incoming group also.

Except its not our money. The admissions contracts for the new teams spcifically says that we get no share of NCAA credit income earned prior to our admission. We also get no part of the exit fee income as the exiting schools all left prior to our admission. That money belongs to USF, UConn, Cinci, and Temple.

For the new teams, all that happened today is that we lost an association with a well known and recognized brand. Now, maybe an agreement to share that income has been made--but under the current bylaws and agreements--the new schools will see no windfall and were by far the biggest losers today. Im hoping someone in that room was on our side today.

How can you lose something that was never your?

For the programs that joined a conference with ND, Rutgers, UL, (i.e. Houston, SMU, Temple, Memphis, Navy) there has been a remarkable loss.

You are a mongoloid if you don't see that.

Dont even bother with that gay. He's a troll.
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(02-28-2013 10:17 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  
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(02-28-2013 09:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is an important fact that the new schools are forgetting. NO ONE has lost more in the realignment shuffle than UC, USF, and UConn. No one. The new teams have lost nothing. In fact, they have gained one year of BCS. If anyone out there deserves the money, it is USF, UC, and UConn. Now, I'm not suggesting the new schools shouldn't get anythig. Maybe they should get something or maybe get their entrance fees waived. But let's remember this fact.

And how quickly you guys seem to forget your boat was sinking and you were going to drown. You called us in the middle of the night to come help you out. Without us...you die. or translation...three schools does not a conference make. Without the incoming schools the conference would be disolved. Exit fees would NOT be paid and Credits would go to schools that earned them. Without us you would have no money, Don't forget that.

I haven't forgotten that. But you still haven't lost as much as UC, USF, and UConn, no matter what you have lost. But you do have some valid points, and is the reason I think your entrance fee should be waived.

agreed

What exactly did USF lose? You guys have stunk for years and were only an invite because of location. Just feel lucky you lived the good life for a while.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about sir. Last year was just about the only year USF has stunk. EVER. Go back and look at our all time record from 1997 to now. Next, take a look at the OOC victories USF has racked up. USF has had a grand total of 4 losing seasons ever. 1997 (5-6), 2004 (4-7), 2011 (5-7), and 2012 (3-9), so basically up until last 2 years Holtz, we never had a losing season.
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RE: C7 giving up almost all exit fees to 3 football schools / win-win
(02-28-2013 09:45 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:21 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:03 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:57 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:49 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the very least i could see the new guys entrance fees waived since you are joining a new league.

Your school, along with Cindy and UConn will get rich as hell off this garbage. The rest of us get nothing but a hollowed out unnamed conference where everyone is looking to leave as soon as possible. Yeah, it's just great.

We don't know what the deal will be but those three schools also are the biggest losers from the realignment moves and even this cash payout won't change that.
Even as crappy as the deal for this new conference is, for the new guys still a better deal from where they came from and could have been left in. Southern miss or Tulsa would swap with you guys in a heartbeat.

So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

This is an important fact that the new schools are forgetting. NO ONE has lost more in the realignment shuffle than UC, USF, and UConn. No one. The new teams have lost nothing. In fact, they have gained one year of BCS. If anyone out there deserves the money, it is USF, UC, and UConn. Now, I'm not suggesting the new schools shouldn't get anythig. Maybe they should get something or maybe get their entrance fees waived. But let's remember this fact.

And how quickly you guys seem to forget your boat was sinking and you were going to drown. You called us in the middle of the night to come help you out. Without us...you die. or translation...three schools does not a conference make. Without the incoming schools the conference would be disolved. Exit fees would NOT be paid and Credits would go to schools that earned them. Without us you would have no money, Don't forget that.

THIS!
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(02-28-2013 09:19 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UConn did the most of any school to build the Big East name:

1) Three men's BB national championships.
2) Seven women's BB national championships.
3) Two men's soccer national championships.

All of the other Big East schools combined have three men's BB national championships. (Marquette '77, Georgetown '84, Nova '85) And no one can touch UConn's 17 men's BB conference regular season & tourney championships.

UConn deserves all of the money it can get from the Big East name and BB credits. But I would waive all conference entrance fees for the incoming schools. That would be the fair and decent thing to do (even though realignment hasn't been very fair and decent to UConn).

MAKE THAT FOUR!

It's fun to look back on these old threads.

UCONN was the last original Big East Blueblood program. Their presence made the post-millennial Big East brand relevant. Once they sold the Big East brand, the equity in that name hinged on a couple titles in the mid 80's. As a Houston fan, I know all about that. 07-coffee3 Imagine the ACC without a Duke or UNC.

Looking back, I think the decision to sell the name for a king's ransom was one of those unforeseen genius moves that has allowed this conference to thrive. Not only has the money negated the difference in contract dollars between ESPN/Fox, while pushing all of the prime TV exposure into the direction of the AAC, the new brand has been able to carve out an identity apart from the stigma of over a decades worth of "Big Least" from the media.

Without any blueblood basketball programs and a FOX contract, the NBE is basketball's equivalent to WAC football, once the MWC teams broke away. Their narrative is now joined to the A10, rather than the ACC. It's interesting to note the recent deal between the A10 and the ACC, while recognizing that the A10 had more success in the dance (with Dayton's run). I see choppy waters ahead for the NBE. That ACC/A10 deal was a definite shot across the bow.

Anyway, between selling the name, and using that money to supplement an ESPN contract that placed greater emphasis on exposure, Aresco has been able to ignite a PR campaign that has put the AAC in the national conversation.

Winning championships has definitely helped, but the media saturation has been instrumental in selling the new brand. The former BE brand that we sold to the C7 had already been stigmatized (with the departures of UCONN, CUSE, et al.) The country has made up their minds. The fact that the NBE didn't make it out of the first week has further helped to solidify the mindset of the public toward that FS1 watered down brew. That first year was key.

This is significant unchartered territory. All of these moves have lined up, as if they were written in the stars. In just year 1, I think the textbook is being rewritten on how to market college sports.

If you want a cautionary tale, tune into FS1. But, if you want to see the latest goings on in the world of sports, we all know where to look..
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The fact that ESPN ran a 30 for 30 about the DEATH of the Big East had to hurt...

I was waiting for the nBE Commish to say "But we're still here, just on FS1...that's why you can't find us!"
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From these three conferences Missouri Valley, New Big East and the A-10, I think Wichita State from the Missori Valley will come out strong again.
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(04-15-2014 10:34 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  The fact that ESPN ran a 30 for 30 about the DEATH of the Big East had to hurt...

I was waiting for the nBE Commish to say "But we're still here, just on FS1...that's why you can't find us!"

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(02-28-2013 09:13 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 09:03 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We don't know what the deal will be but those three schools also are the biggest losers from the realignment moves and even this cash payout won't change that.

Even as crappy as the deal for this new conference is, for the new guys still a better deal from where they came from and could have been left in. Southern miss or Tulsa would swap with you guys in a heartbeat.

So while not as good a deal as you thought you were landing the facts are that you are still improving.

We're "improving" over CUSA because it's a CUSA that six CUSA teams just left. If all of this BS was known prior to those six departures -- than No - it's not a better 'place' IMO. Memphis just craped out 6.6 million dollars to get to this --- 'position.'

Yeah, you're right...we should have just stayed and played MTSU, UAB, FIU, UNCC, UTSA, Rice, and WKU!!!!!! What were we thinking!!!!! 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle 01-wingedeagle
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Oh man...anyone know what happened to SMU-UConn? Hope he enjoyed the great season both his teams had. I haven't seen him here in a while. He was one of the first to be truly excited about the AAC.
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(02-28-2013 08:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Each basketball unit is worth at least 250k a year. Not counting what those teams do this year in the tourney for the 2013-14 payout the Big East brings this many units.
UConn 12, USF 3 and UC 5 only UC looks to add to that number

Pitt 10 plus this year
Cuse 12 plus this year
WV 12 units
ND 6 plus this year
UL 15 plus this year

That's 75 units without this years tourney results at 250k a unit 18.750 million next year

Don't get used to it. I seriously doubt this version of the conference will EVER rival the tourny success the BE had. Oh, by the way , you are welcome. LOL!
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