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(02-28-2013 07:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  NCAA rules state that, if a school leaves a conference, the credits stay with the conference. The conference is free to distribute the money any way they want. If the C7 becomes the Big East they could pay Uconn and Cincy their credits. Possibly even more as part of their exit agreement.

The NCAA also has a rule that, if 50% of the schools leave at the same time, the conference is considered disbanded. The C7 plus Pitt, Syracuse (possibly Notre Dame and Louisville) would trigger that clause. The C7 could retain the BE name but their credits would be zero. No agreement between the C7and the FB schools can change this rule.

The C7 would loose some unknow share of 318+ credits but gain full shares of 82 credits going to the individual schools. The only way to avoid this is to wait until 2015 when all of the new schools are in and no schools are scheduled to leave.
ACTUALLY..... thinking about it...

If Notre Dame goes with the C7 for 1 year- I think they would make it where they were the "existing conference". C7 would compensate the Aresco's for the lost units and NCAA would grant Aresco conference an auto bid. C7 would have 8/15 teams returning, and thus meet the rules for the units..
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(02-28-2013 07:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The NCAA also has a rule that, if 50% of the schools leave at the same time, the conference is considered disbanded.
There is no such rule. There used to be a rule that said a conference had to have at least 5 members stay in the conference for at least five years, but that rule has been removed. Case in point: the WAC. They lose 5 of their 7 members after this season, yet they will continue on with new members without losing any credits.
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(02-28-2013 08:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The NCAA also has a rule that, if 50% of the schools leave at the same time, the conference is considered disbanded.
There is no such rule. There used to be a rule that said a conference had to have at least 5 members stay in the conference for at least five years, but that rule has been removed. Case in point: the WAC. They lose 5 of their 7 members after this season, yet they will continue on with new members without losing any credits.

That WAC/MWC can continue rule applies to the conference existence, but are you sure it applies to the tourney credits? I'm not so sure about that.
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(02-28-2013 08:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 08:15 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The NCAA also has a rule that, if 50% of the schools leave at the same time, the conference is considered disbanded.
There is no such rule. There used to be a rule that said a conference had to have at least 5 members stay in the conference for at least five years, but that rule has been removed. Case in point: the WAC. They lose 5 of their 7 members after this season, yet they will continue on with new members without losing any credits.

That WAC/MWC can continue rule applies to the conference existence, but are you sure it applies to the tourney credits? I'm not so sure about that.

The rule does exist. It has been discussed before on this board. It applies only to distribution of NCAA monies. Ill try and find the reference again.

Not sure if the FB schools leaving would work either. It would depend if some combination of iND, UL, and RU left at the same time. That could be as many as 8.
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The NCAA bylaw that covers automatic qualification for Men's Basketball is 31.3.4.5:

Quote:31.3.4.5 Additional Requirements, Men’s Basketball.
To be considered eligible for automatic qualification in men’s basketball, a member conference must be a core conference (see Bylaw 31.02.3) and must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.
(Revised: 8/14/90, 12/3/90, 4/27/00, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

31.3.4.5.1 Grace Period.
A conference shall remain eligible for automatic qualification for two years
following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s membership to fall below seven institutions that sponsor the sport and conduct conference competition together, provided the conference maintains at least six Division I members (see Bylaw 20.02.5).
(Adopted: 4/27/00, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

So an existing conference gets two years to get back up to full membership. In this case, the conference-to-be-named (and the WAC) will still get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.

Furthermore, the rules changed regarding continuity in bylaw 20.02.5:

Quote:20.02.5.4 Continuity. A multisport conference shall establish continuity. To establish continuity, a multisport conference must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.1. In addition, the conference must meet the requirements of Bylaws 20.02.5.2 and 20.02.5.3 for a period of eight consecutive years. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

20.02.5.5 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a multisport conference for two years following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s noncompliance with the minimum multisport conference requirements. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

This is where the continuity requirement used to include a number of institutions that had to play together for eight years, but instead they simply changed it that the conference simply had to be above the minimums for eight years.

Then here's the official NCAA page on how credits are disributed:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...ution+Fund

Quote:For the purpose of distributing the basketball fund, a conference is defined as one that comprises at least six member institutions that have been classified in Division I for the eight preceding academic years. If a conference falls below the six-member requirement, the basketball fund moneys are retained by the conference for a one-year period only.

Again, nothing about having the same schools in the conference for any specified length of time, just having met the minimum number of institutions.
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(02-28-2013 11:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The NCAA bylaw that covers automatic qualification for Men's Basketball is 31.3.4.5:

Quote:31.3.4.5 Additional Requirements, Men’s Basketball.
To be considered eligible for automatic qualification in men’s basketball, a member conference must be a core conference (see Bylaw 31.02.3) and must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.
(Revised: 8/14/90, 12/3/90, 4/27/00, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

31.3.4.5.1 Grace Period.
A conference shall remain eligible for automatic qualification for two years
following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s membership to fall below seven institutions that sponsor the sport and conduct conference competition together, provided the conference maintains at least six Division I members (see Bylaw 20.02.5).
(Adopted: 4/27/00, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

So an existing conference gets two years to get back up to full membership. In this case, the conference-to-be-named (and the WAC) will still get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.

Furthermore, the rules changed regarding continuity in bylaw 20.02.5:

Quote:20.02.5.4 Continuity. A multisport conference shall establish continuity. To establish continuity, a multisport conference must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.1. In addition, the conference must meet the requirements of Bylaws 20.02.5.2 and 20.02.5.3 for a period of eight consecutive years. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

20.02.5.5 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a multisport conference for two years following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s noncompliance with the minimum multisport conference requirements. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

This is where the continuity requirement used to include a number of institutions that had to play together for eight years, but instead they simply changed it that the conference simply had to be above the minimums for eight years.

Then here's the official NCAA page on how credits are disributed:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...ution+Fund

Quote:For the purpose of distributing the basketball fund, a conference is defined as one that comprises at least six member institutions that have been classified in Division I for the eight preceding academic years. If a conference falls below the six-member requirement, the basketball fund moneys are retained by the conference for a one-year period only.

Again, nothing about having the same schools in the conference for any specified length of time, just having met the minimum number of institutions.

Rule stated:

"If 50 percent or more of the member institutions in a given conference leave the conference simultaneously and the remaining conference membership falls below six member institutions, the conference shall be considered disbanded and each member institution shall retain the units it earned in the basketball fund as if the conference had in fact disbanded (for the purposes of the basketball fund distribution)."

Initially, I don't know if the rule has been changed. The NCAA page no longer provides the entire rule, only a summary. That said, 9 teams are leaving the conference for sure, the 7 bball schools, Pitt and SU. Tentatively, 6 will remain, with 4 more being added. If ND leaves, I would think the conference would drop to under 6 members under the definition of the rule, since the other 4 will be added after the others leave. If so, under the prior NCAA rules, I think the conference would be disbanded for purposes of the basketball fund such that the credits will revert back to the schools that earn them. However, the conference would still exist as an entity and the exit fees would still be owed. Since the bball schools are getting their credit revenue anyway, it doesn't seem like the rule makes much difference to them. However, if the rule is still in effect and I am ND, what do I do? Do I leave now, knowing I will have to negotiate an exit fee but having the ability to disband the conference for purposes of the basketball fund, or do wait and use my get out of jail free card, just like the C7? Very interesting.
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(02-28-2013 11:56 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 11:21 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The NCAA bylaw that covers automatic qualification for Men's Basketball is 31.3.4.5:

Quote:31.3.4.5 Additional Requirements, Men’s Basketball.
To be considered eligible for automatic qualification in men’s basketball, a member conference must be a core conference (see Bylaw 31.02.3) and must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.
(Revised: 8/14/90, 12/3/90, 4/27/00, 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

31.3.4.5.1 Grace Period.
A conference shall remain eligible for automatic qualification for two years
following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s membership to fall below seven institutions that sponsor the sport and conduct conference competition together, provided the conference maintains at least six Division I members (see Bylaw 20.02.5).
(Adopted: 4/27/00, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

So an existing conference gets two years to get back up to full membership. In this case, the conference-to-be-named (and the WAC) will still get an autobid to the NCAA tournament.

Furthermore, the rules changed regarding continuity in bylaw 20.02.5:

Quote:20.02.5.4 Continuity. A multisport conference shall establish continuity. To establish continuity, a multisport conference must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.1. In addition, the conference must meet the requirements of Bylaws 20.02.5.2 and 20.02.5.3 for a period of eight consecutive years. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

20.02.5.5 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a multisport conference for two years following the date of withdrawal of the institution(s) that causes the conference’s noncompliance with the minimum multisport conference requirements. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

This is where the continuity requirement used to include a number of institutions that had to play together for eight years, but instead they simply changed it that the conference simply had to be above the minimums for eight years.

Then here's the official NCAA page on how credits are disributed:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...ution+Fund

Quote:For the purpose of distributing the basketball fund, a conference is defined as one that comprises at least six member institutions that have been classified in Division I for the eight preceding academic years. If a conference falls below the six-member requirement, the basketball fund moneys are retained by the conference for a one-year period only.

Again, nothing about having the same schools in the conference for any specified length of time, just having met the minimum number of institutions.

Rule stated:

"If 50 percent or more of the member institutions in a given conference leave the conference simultaneously and the remaining conference membership falls below six member institutions, the conference shall be considered disbanded and each member institution shall retain the units it earned in the basketball fund as if the conference had in fact disbanded (for the purposes of the basketball fund distribution)."

Initially, I don't know if the rule has been changed. The NCAA page no longer provides the entire rule, only a summary. That said, 9 teams are leaving the conference for sure, the 7 bball schools, Pitt and SU. Tentatively, 6 will remain, with 4 more being added. If ND leaves, I would think the conference would drop to under 6 members under the definition of the rule, since the other 4 will be added after the others leave. If so, under the prior NCAA rules, I think the conference would be disbanded for purposes of the basketball fund such that the credits will revert back to the schools that earn them. However, the conference would still exist as an entity and the exit fees would still be owed. Since the bball schools are getting their credit revenue anyway, it doesn't seem like the rule makes much difference to them. However, if the rule is still in effect and I am ND, what do I do? Do I leave now, knowing I will have to negotiate an exit fee but having the ability to disband the conference for purposes of the basketball fund, or do wait and use my get out of jail free card, just like the C7? Very interesting.

It's been stated by many in the press that the credits will remain with the conference. The rule has been changed. I believe you that it used to be the rule, but it is no longer the rule. I believe the rule was changed due to the impending demise of the WAC. The WAC will have all but two new members this coming season (2013-2014) yet will continue to receive NCAA tournament units. Same will be said for the conference FKA Big East.
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(02-28-2013 07:25 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 06:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  get this:
While Butler, Xavier and a team yet to be determined are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 13-team league.

so 1 more team.. I'd guess Fox/C7 would want to make a splash here.

Where did you hear that? That's odd, why not 14?

Saving a spot for Notre Dame?
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This is what happens when you hire a TV executive with no experience in the workings of college sports to run a conference. Remember when all the CUSA schools were giddy about joining because they thought Aresco and his minions would keep everybody together with an $8-$10 million per team TV deal? Now you guys are looking at LESS than $2 million per team after the basketball schools jump ship. Hell even Marinatto did a better job, and he was one of the worst commissioners in the history of college athletics.
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(03-01-2013 08:31 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:25 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 06:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  get this:
While Butler, Xavier and a team yet to be determined are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 13-team league.

so 1 more team.. I'd guess Fox/C7 would want to make a splash here.

Where did you hear that? That's odd, why not 14?

Saving a spot for Notre Dame?

No offense, Terry, but I hope not. Our athletic priorities do not overlap, and let's just say that the Notre Dame-led expansion of the Big East wasn't a hit with us.

ACtually, I just read through this again:
While Butler, Xavier and a team yet to be determined are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Creighton, Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 13-team league.

Taken literally, that means a mystery team for 2013, and a 13-team league in 2014. More likely, it means that a journalist is bad at math, and that either Creighton, Dayton or SLU are coming in 2013.
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ESPN revised their story so many times it wasn't funny.....

right now:
While Butler, Xavier and, most likely, Creighton are expected to join the new Big East this fall, the Catholic 7 schools are also expected to add Dayton and St. Louis in 2014 for a 12-team league.
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(03-01-2013 08:44 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is what happens when you hire a TV executive with no experience in the workings of college sports to run a conference. Remember when all the CUSA schools were giddy about joining because they thought Aresco and his minions would keep everybody together with an $8-$10 million per team TV deal? Now you guys are looking at LESS than $2 million per team after the basketball schools jump ship. Hell even Marinatto did a better job, and he was one of the worst commissioners in the history of college athletics.

Cut Aresco some slack. It's tough to win a modern war with muskets. At some point it's more about the product you sell than the salesman.
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(03-01-2013 09:04 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 08:44 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  This is what happens when you hire a TV executive with no experience in the workings of college sports to run a conference. Remember when all the CUSA schools were giddy about joining because they thought Aresco and his minions would keep everybody together with an $8-$10 million per team TV deal? Now you guys are looking at LESS than $2 million per team after the basketball schools jump ship. Hell even Marinatto did a better job, and he was one of the worst commissioners in the history of college athletics.

Cut Aresco some slack. It's tough to win a modern war with muskets. At some point it's more about the product you sell than the salesman.

Well, when he took the job, he had C-7 basketball and Boise State football to sell, plus Louisville and Rutgers. I don't think anyone blames him for losing Rutgers or Louisville, or for Notre Dame jumping ship. But his fingerprints are on losing the C-7 and on losing Boise State. Maybe nobody could have kept either of those two around, but it's hard to see how a committee of unpaid interns would have done any worse.
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(02-28-2013 07:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  After the defections, the Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley will be reduced to leagues that only place 2 schools in the tourney in most years.

The MAC, SBC and CUSA with 14-16 members and TV deals to help recruiting will be able to get 2 in the NCAAs more regularly. There is not going to be as much of a gap between these leagues and the MVC/A10 in the future. Moving up to FBS and leaving the MVC/A10 will increasingly make sense for the schools that are capable of doing it.

lol epic fail post. A10 even after the defections BLOWS those 3 away. MVC still solid. A10's tv deal blows those conference to shreds.
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(02-28-2013 03:55 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 03:47 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 03:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  If they do reach an agreement on dividing up the NCAA hoops credits, will UConn/Cincinnati/USF keep for themselves the money that the C7 doesn't take, or will they throw it into a pot to divide with the incoming schools?

I would believe that NCAA credits will be split evenly within the Big East as a perk for the new schools joining since the ESPN money is also going to be split evenly.

That's possible, but it's not what the entrance contracts say. The Memphis and Houston entrance contracts say they don't get revenue from tournament units earned before their entry.

Now pretty much anything can change with a 3/4 vote, but that's where it stands now.

1 major point on this...

units are paid out yearly. So say Cincy finds their manna and leaves after 2014 season. Hoops units from 2015 on- they won't get. By that point, the new schools have 3/4 majority. Also, if they go to 12(and not Navy but another all sports)- the new schools have 3/4 majority.
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(03-01-2013 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  After the defections, the Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley will be reduced to leagues that only place 2 schools in the tourney in most years.

The MAC, SBC and CUSA with 14-16 members and TV deals to help recruiting will be able to get 2 in the NCAAs more regularly. There is not going to be as much of a gap between these leagues and the MVC/A10 in the future. Moving up to FBS and leaving the MVC/A10 will increasingly make sense for the schools that are capable of doing it.

lol epic fail post. A10 even after the defections BLOWS those 3 away. MVC still solid. A10's tv deal blows those conference to shreds.

CUSA- 1mm per school
A10- 312k per school prior to defections
MAC- 100k per school


So CUSA would make sense for them but the others are lateral moves in terms of pay
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(03-01-2013 09:20 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  After the defections, the Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley will be reduced to leagues that only place 2 schools in the tourney in most years.

The MAC, SBC and CUSA with 14-16 members and TV deals to help recruiting will be able to get 2 in the NCAAs more regularly. There is not going to be as much of a gap between these leagues and the MVC/A10 in the future. Moving up to FBS and leaving the MVC/A10 will increasingly make sense for the schools that are capable of doing it.

lol epic fail post. A10 even after the defections BLOWS those 3 away. MVC still solid. A10's tv deal blows those conference to shreds.

CUSA- 1mm per school
A10- 312k per school prior to defections
MAC- 100k per school


So CUSA would make sense for them but the others are lateral moves in terms of pay

It's not even money. Look at how many games from A10 televised compared to the MAC or CUSA.
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(03-01-2013 09:23 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:20 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  After the defections, the Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley will be reduced to leagues that only place 2 schools in the tourney in most years.

The MAC, SBC and CUSA with 14-16 members and TV deals to help recruiting will be able to get 2 in the NCAAs more regularly. There is not going to be as much of a gap between these leagues and the MVC/A10 in the future. Moving up to FBS and leaving the MVC/A10 will increasingly make sense for the schools that are capable of doing it.

lol epic fail post. A10 even after the defections BLOWS those 3 away. MVC still solid. A10's tv deal blows those conference to shreds.

CUSA- 1mm per school
A10- 312k per school prior to defections
MAC- 100k per school


So CUSA would make sense for them but the others are lateral moves in terms of pay

It's not even money. Look at how many games from A10 televised compared to the MAC or CUSA.

You are looking at where things are NOW not where they are going to be in another 5 years or so.

Conferences with FBS football have more leverage at the negotiating table. The MAC signed its deal 5 years ago so before the escalation in rights fees. Prior to the new A10 deal that conference wasn't earning anything.

The only thing the A10 deal does is make sure its ahead of the CAA in the conference pecking order which was a legit concern 2 years ago when the CAA tried to steal GW and Richmond following a few years of basketball success.
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(03-01-2013 09:33 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
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(03-01-2013 09:20 AM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 09:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2013 07:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  After the defections, the Atlantic 10 and Missouri Valley will be reduced to leagues that only place 2 schools in the tourney in most years.

The MAC, SBC and CUSA with 14-16 members and TV deals to help recruiting will be able to get 2 in the NCAAs more regularly. There is not going to be as much of a gap between these leagues and the MVC/A10 in the future. Moving up to FBS and leaving the MVC/A10 will increasingly make sense for the schools that are capable of doing it.

lol epic fail post. A10 even after the defections BLOWS those 3 away. MVC still solid. A10's tv deal blows those conference to shreds.

CUSA- 1mm per school
A10- 312k per school prior to defections
MAC- 100k per school


So CUSA would make sense for them but the others are lateral moves in terms of pay

It's not even money. Look at how many games from A10 televised compared to the MAC or CUSA.

You are looking at where things are NOW not where they are going to be in another 5 years or so.

Conferences with FBS football have more leverage at the negotiating table. The MAC signed its deal 5 years ago so before the escalation in rights fees. Prior to the new A10 deal that conference wasn't earning anything.

The only thing the A10 deal does is make sure its ahead of the CAA in the conference pecking order which was a legit concern 2 years ago when the CAA tried to steal GW and Richmond following a few years of basketball success.

5 years from now 50 years from now whatever- the MAC is still going to be a mediocre conference. A10 even with the defections blows away the MAC. I mean right now- Akron if they lose in the conference tourney- they are not a lock for the NCAA tourney. Not at all. Can you say that about A10? no way.
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(03-01-2013 09:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  5 years from now 50 years from now whatever- the MAC is still going to be a mediocre conference. A10 even with the defections blows away the MAC. I mean right now- Akron if they lose in the conference tourney- they are not a lock for the NCAA tourney. Not at all. Can you say that about A10? no way.

The idea is that the FBS playoff money changes the equation. The worst lower-FBS conference is (IMO) going to get almost the same playoff money as the top lower-FBS conference. (Especially if the MWC is regularly taking the Access Bowl, so the conference only gets half the $$$.) So there's a logic to letting football rot and pumping the money into basketball, where if the MAC could move into the A-10/MWC/MVC tier, they WOULD get more basketball money.
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